Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[doppleganger]

Whether other teams should have to bear some travel burden to narrow the gap between West Coast's travel absolutely does have an impact on West Coast.

There is no additional travel burden placed on WC in a game in Tassie v Melbourne.

Regardless, travel aint VICBias. WC travel way more than SA teams.

They should do a "gather round" in WA instead of SA if trying to even out the WA travel burden.

If we make a grand final on the home ground of our opponents, them having travelled less and being less fatigued is another advantage on the day.

Do people really think a few extra flights back in April has any impact in September?

If you get top2, you get a month at home minimum prior to the GF.

In 2015, WC left WA just once after August 3rd. And they had a full month sitting in Perth prior to the GF. In the same period Hawthorn had 4 trips (3 to WA)...it wasnt WC with any potential travel fatigue.

Similar in 2016, it was the Dogs who were travelling more during finals.

Surely you dont really think "fatigue" is an issue if players spend a month without travel prior to a GF?

 

[doppleganger]

after the Adam goodes situation how many games in a row did you play Sydney in Sydney? thats the kinda shit im talking about. no club should be playing another club up to 10+ times in a row at their home ground because of any reason.

What does Goodes have to do with anything?

Collingwood have played an away game in Sydney every year since 2003 with the exception of COVID 2020 and 2023.

AFL has a strategic goal to grow the game in NSW, they had a standalone Sydney v Pies fixture in the mid-season bye for almost a decade. They use Collingwood to create an event in Sydney.

Again nothing to do with VICBias, but everything to do with strategic aim to grow the game in Sydney...anybody surprised that the Swans have been in the most GFs of any club in 21st century?

 

[Ross]

I'm agreeing with you with Darwin, Tassie, Ballarat, Canberra. If they are disadvantages then it's unfair due to increased rotation for other clubs. Darwin with climate definitely will be a disadvantage - GC will be invincible there.

I just don't agree with KP - Cats are the only team who lose out with their home games against us getting fixtured at the G - not other clubs.

I think even with our ground it can still be a trickle down effect though. Pies are advantaged by playing us at the MCG instead of Geelong, not just because it's your ground but because you can instead play a Docklands game against a team like North or West Coast instead that you should beat anywhere. Pies vs Geelong at MCG and North/Eagles at Docklands or Geelong at KP and North/Eagles at the MCG? Pies would rather the former*.

Then Geelong have the 'home' MCG disadvantage but otherwise get advantaged by playing more H&A games at the MCG instead of Docklands, we still have to play all the Docklands teams somewhere though and it ends up being at our ground because with ~seven road trips and ~five MCG games there's only room for one game at Docklands.

And so it's the Saints/Dogs/North/Dees who seem to end up playing us at our ground a lot more than they do theirs.

*For now anyway, maybe North are constantly on top in ten years and we're the ones anchored to the bottom of the ladder, in which case the scenarios would be reversed.

 

[JackOutback]

Do people really think a few extra flights back in April has any impact in September?

Of course it does. Football is one of the most physical games going around, I bet every player comes off the ground sore. Some then drive 20 minutes home and go to bed while others drive further just to get to the airport, then pack themselves into a plane for a four-hour flight. That small impact on recovery adds up and in a game of millimetres, you don't think better recovery throughout the course of a season can have any impact? You're not that naive.

 

[doppleganger]

Of course it does. Football is one of the most physical games going around, I bet every player comes off the ground sore. Some then drive 20 minutes home and go to bed while others drive further just to get to the airport, then pack themselves into a plane for a four-hour flight. That small impact on recovery adds up and in a game of millimetres, you don't think better recovery throughout the course of a season can have any impact? You're not that naive.

Whether you had compromised recovery in r6 has no impact on GF performance if you spend a month in Perth in the lead up to the GF.

Laughable to pretend any player is fatigued when havent travelled and played what 2 games in a month prior to the GF.

 

[Pomsta]

Imagine the Vic Bias next week if the Granny is between South Melbourne and Fitzroy? Absolutely outrageous

 

[JackOutback]

Whether you had compromised recovery in r6 has no impact on GF performance if you spend a month in Perth in the lead up to the GF.

Laughable to pretend any player is fatigued when havent travelled and played what 2 games in a month prior to the GF.

Yes, your body just goes back to default settings, there's no such thing as wear.

 

[sr36]

Of course it does. Football is one of the most physical games going around, I bet every player comes off the ground sore. Some then drive 20 minutes home and go to bed while others drive further just to get to the airport, then pack themselves into a plane for a four-hour flight. That small impact on recovery adds up and in a game of millimetres, you don't think better recovery throughout the course of a season can have any impact? You're not that naive.

You could be right. It's certainly a reasonable theory. You'd want it to align with performance dropping off over the course of the year to buy into it too heavily though.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You could be right. It's certainly a reasonable theory. You'd want it to align with performance dropping off over the course of the year to buy into it too heavily though.

Well if he is right, then what's the explanation of so may brownlow medalists for Queensland and Western Australia, the 2 longest distances traveled?
If recovery is affecting performance, then no way would there be that many.

All the research I have read says the distance traveled in OZ does not effect sports people.

You have to travel over a few time zones to get an effect on performance.

I have asked that poster many times to show something that provides evidence that travel in Oz affects performance and the only answer he ever gives is "so and so says so"

Also if recovery effects them after traveling, how come it's not effecting home game performance? because after travel and after recovery, they then need to play at home.

 

[doppleganger]

Yes, your body just goes back to default settings, there's no such thing as wear.

Yes, during season WA sides sometimes have compromised recovery (as do other teams who may cop a 5 or 6 day break).

In 2018 and 2015, WC player preparation for the GF was to play just 2 games in a month and didnt leave WA at all. If they have sat at home for a month a bit rich to claim "travel fatigue" as a factor in GF....but WC fans think playing in Alice Springs is a disadvantage to them, so not surprised.

 

[Roobs321]

If Sydney beat Brisbane, it would be a victorious finals campaign involving only 4 non-Vics. Has never happened before.

 

[MadMundy]

EAT A BAG OF ****IN DICKS YOU VICTORIAN FLOGS

NO TEAM IN THE GF FOR YOU THIS YEAR GET ****ED

 

[RUNVS]

Best way to ensure a Victorian side can't win the flag is to make sure none of them make the Grand Final. First time since 2006 no Victorian side has been in the Grand Final.

 

[demondavey]

Watch Victoria have a huge sook. Some small business owner will have a big whinge about trading losses this week.

 

[Captivating]

Round 0 introduced to give NSW and QLD teams another advantage.

Oh look

Syd v Brisbane Grand Final!!!

 

[RUNVS]

Round 0 introduced to give NSW and QLD teams another advantage.

Oh look

Syd v Brisbane Grand Final!!!

Yes, I am sure those two things are linked.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

QLDBias

Sydney doesn’t have a home advantage.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You can tell the flogs that are just Vic haters are.

Barracking against Victoria.

We barrack for a club, not the state.

Good luck Sydney and Brisbane.

That's Sydney and Brisbane, not NSW and Queensland.

 

[sr36]

EAT A BAG OF ****IN DICKS YOU VICTORIAN FLOGS

NO TEAM IN THE GF FOR YOU THIS YEAR GET ****ED

Are you going to barrack for South Melbourne or Fitzroy?

 

[Chronz]

EAT A BAG OF ****IN DICKS YOU VICTORIAN FLOGS

NO TEAM IN THE GF FOR YOU THIS YEAR GET ****ED

Nice melt.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

EAT A BAG OF ****IN DICKS YOU VICTORIAN FLOGS

NO TEAM IN THE GF FOR YOU THIS YEAR GET ****ED

Most Victorians prefer this matchup than Geelong getting in.

 

[MadMundy]

Most Victorians prefer this matchup than Geelong getting in.

Shh let me have my anti-Victorian narrative.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

You can tell the flogs that are just Vic haters are.

Barracking against Victoria.

We barrack for a club, not the state.

Good luck Sydney and Brisbane.

That's Sydney and Brisbane, not NSW and Queensland.

You might not, but the administration and media does

 

[LoungeLizard]

You might not, but the administration and media does

I couldn't give a rats if they do, if you care so much, I couldn't give a rats about that either, your problem.

 

[eddiesmith]

So what will the non Victorian club supporters whinge about now for the next 12 months?