Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Balony_pony16]

Poll fail, it adds up to above 150%

someone highlighted that the other day...still not fixed. What do Mods get paid to do?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I don't think I've ever seen a PLAYER bring so much agenda to the game

And we're all the richer for it. Bravo Goodesy for shining a light on us. He's out there doing it, unlike all us ever-so-brave keyboard warriors.

 

[Choomah]

He wrote the half that matters

You are an idiot hahahahahaha, that little grub deserved to be called out anyway, her useless parents wouldn't of done a thing anyway

 

[dickballsack]

If you boo for racist reasons then yeah I think it is all or nothing.
If you boo because you don't like the way he plays... boo to your hearts content, if you are comfortable that you are not supporting the racists, don't worry about what the AFL says, boo to your hearts content.

I don't think it matters if she knew or not. Sure it was a tough lesson for her to learn but all in all it was handled the right way.

Your first sentence perfectly spells out the issue we're facing. How do you know what people are booing for? I honestly think that initially he was being booed for the same reason most 'gun' opposition players cop it, the mix of superstar& arrogance( and I'm sure there were several others ). People have rightly pointed out carey, Buckley, where booed for most of their careers for the same reason but I think somewhere along the line people just followed for no other reason than joining in. The afl have done a brilliant job at making everyone aware that remarks demeaning anyone based on their heritage is wrong. I just feel that they could've done this differently - it was certainly becoming an issue, but making it all about race seems kinda wrong to me. I also was at the game tonight with clients and noticed when Harvey scored a goal in the first term and did a fist pump he copped it from blues fans as normally happens but when Thomas scores and kissed his aboriginal flag tattoo there was no reaction and that's actually quite sad in itself as now people are too worried about what 'everyone' thinks of them if they make a noise to a player based on their heritage.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yet the next day after finding out her age, Goodes absurdly declared “racism had a face - and it was a 13-year-old girl”.

Yeah, come on, the full quote thanks.

 

[Mead]

Reading some of the stuff on this I feel like I have fallen through a looking glass and landed in bizarro world.

To summarise where we are at:

1. Some people made a noise which typically indicates disapproval of a sportsperson.

2. Because a lot of people made that noise, and the noise has no meaning other than disapproval, it's arguable why people might be doing that, but some possible reasons might be not liking Goodes as a player, not liking his public opinions and behavior (including opinions about race), perceiving him to get special treatment or protection from the afl and not liking that or actually not liking him because they are racist themselves.

3. Because of 1 and 2 Adam Goodes, who heard this disapproving noise and thinks it is racism, is on par with a rape victim, anyone publically critical of him is a vile racist bringing shame to Australia, and people should report anyone who makes a disapproving noise at the game in future to security.

That's it? Right?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I suspected it was Swans mismanagement for quite some time.

It takes a political f... up involving many to create this type of cover up farce!

It also requires a level of disconnect with reality and arrogance that only the elite could understand in their bubble and manipulative world to!

OK that's paranoid.

 

[Mr Magic]

Below is a fairly in depth review of my thought process on the whole matter. It's worth a read, whatever side you're on.

At first I thought, "Oh come on, people can't be being him for being racist, he's a flog on field, has teared apart opposition teams and plays for frees and sometimes does silly things and sticks his arms out whinging to the umps, nothing wrong with booing him."

Over the next few days I heard the calls of racism and got really annoyed, because I think he can be a dickhead and I'm not racist. So I thought more about the situation, delving into the racial elements of it. I didn't like the way the girl was treated after the "ape" incident, not just by Goodes, more so the media, and I really hoped Goodes could have done more to help calm the situation; despite being obviously hurt, he is still the adult and could have done without the "face of racism" thing, in whatever context he meant it. I'd like to think the girl was just ignorant of the term and could have been educated in a loving way by Goodes after the fact. Certainly not upset with him pointing her out, that was in the moment and emotions were running wild. So I thought, OK that's a fair argument, they aren't booing him because of a racial reason, they just disagreed with his methods in dealing with it. (I did recently learn of his tweet saying to leave the girl alone, that's great.)

Then I thought about the Carlton fans/war dance moment. I thought it was silly at the time to celebrate a goal being so far up against a shit side, even if being booed by a bunch of ferals. I thought, sure it's indigenous round, but perhaps directing the dance at a negative group of people would only have the dance associated with further negativity. Emotions are running high, the crowd is in pack mode, perhaps don't incite them. Maybe at the end of the night the indigenous guys could have celebrated with a loving friendly dance which celebrated the positive aspects of the indigenous culture. After the booing continued, I thought surely they are booing him because they disagreed with the provocative nature of the dance (no different to if he through his fist up at them), not the fact it was an indigenous dance. So I stood up for the booing, even though I didn't go to a game and boo myself.

But today.

**** me.

Jeff Garlett. A bloody lovable, smiling guy. Does the nicest, friendliest celebration ever and gets booed.

That's it.

I retract it all.

Goodes can be an idiot on field (sliding, frees, footy stuff), and my views about whether a moment calls for reconciliation via provocation versus education may differ from his, but that is no excuse for what he is going through.

I don't want a ban on booing. I'm sure he doesn't want to silence the crowd. What needs to happen is that the booers who were like me, those who are getting caught up in the emotion of seemingly being called racist or being told you can't have the right to boo or react in the crowd, we need to stop.

Let the racists boo. Hopefully they are the few. The rest of will stop and make it just how obvious those *******s are.

EDIT: I fear no one will read this.

Jeff Garlett of Melbourne got booed did he?

Interesting.

Dunno, there might be a point ,

Jeff didn't do anything wrong did he?

 

[subaru]

You are an idiot hahahahahaha, that little grub deserved to be called out anyway, her useless parents wouldn't of done a thing anyway

" wouldnt OF done a thing"

I won't even start on your " hahaha" ing

Off to bed junior

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's not about Race at all to the fans. The fans don't care about Adam Goodes race. AT ALL.

Otherwise all, Aboriginal players would be getting booed.

506 pages, and people are still trotting this one out.

 

[Mr Magic]

Good on you fight for your right to boo Adam and maintain your own ****** reputation.

Better than being a slave. If he does wrong there are processes. What is your problem big brother?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Havn't you got google? Couldn't you have found his speech for yourself. Most of what Goodes says was generous and genuine as you'd expect. But there is still this:

“Imagine watching a film that tells the truth about the terrible injustices committed over 225 years against your people, a film that reveals how Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have r*ped, killed and stolen from your people for their own benefit.

“Now imagine how it feels when the people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft — the people in whose name the oppression was done — turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.

You have a problem with that?

"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”

 

[Fruit_Platter]

Havn't you got google? Couldn't you have found his speech for yourself. Most of what Goodes says was generous and genuine as you'd expect. But there is still this:

“Imagine watching a film that tells the truth about the terrible injustices committed over 225 years against your people, a film that reveals how Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have r*ped, killed and stolen from your people for their own benefit.

“Now imagine how it feels when the people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft — the people in whose name the oppression was done — turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.

That was said after he viewed the Pilger documentary "Utopia" He never said that in his speech on Australia day.
Bugger that though, never let the facts get in the way of your agenda!

 

[Procrastinator35]

Where did he criticise the country in his acceptance speech? just wondering if you could enlighten us?

LOL...Fruit_Platter...You couldn't come up with a fresher or more ambiguous Alias?....Dear Lord.

Because he makes them, y'know, kind of uncomfy.

The PC booing crowd, you know, the ones who believe in their constitutional right to boo, keep insisting everyone is saying that anyone who boos is a racist.

I've seen no one say that, apart from the occasional post on BF where the poster might have chosen their words better in the heat of the moment.

People are saying SOME booers are racist. People are saying booing provides a cover for racists.

Both pretty self-evident truths I would have thought.

But ALL booers are racist?

NO ONE is saying that, so why do the proud, patriotic booers keep insisting that's what's being said? A clear agenda behind all of this.

Actually it's the AFL media dominated line that anyone who 'boos' Goodes might get confused for a 'racist', so don't join em lest you be 'marked' as one of em.

Further, the line was mooted that it (the constant 'booing') may well constitute bullying...So if you 'boo' then you may well be 'marked-out' as a bully.

Lets get our facts right here...The attempts to quash the fans freedom of speech, or at the very least assuage it by the media run agenda; Is nothing other than a sleight-of-hand smear campaign; directed against the fans in an attempt to socially alienate & ostracize any citizen not towing the AFL/NSW Govt line.

It is the pro-Gooodes' camp who have pushed & foisted the concepts of 'racism & 'bullying' here & no one else; in their attempts to hijack the dialogue & ram their agenda down the fans throats in a week-long, blanket media-campaign blitzkrieg.

Propaganda 101.

 

[GWBogan]

 

[ZabsBlues]

It wasn't handled well at all.

She was grilled and then detained, by police for two hours, initially without her grandmother present, and threatened with charges. Her face was shown on national TV and she was publicly branded a racist.

Now at the time of the incident Goodes wouldn't have known her age. Yet the next day after finding out her age, Goodes absurdly declared “racism had a face - and it was a 13-year-old girl”.

Most fans were thinking, "How dare he"

And then he gets rewarded as Australian of the year. Upon receiving this award, he says:


“Our very dark past, a brutal history of dispossession, theft and slaughter. Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have r*ped, killed and stolen. The people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft ... turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.”

I mean, the guy has just won Australian of the year for God's sake. You're not supposed to criticise you own country.

My ancestors to my knowledge committed no thefts, rapes or murders. I presume Goodes European ancestors didn't either.

Goodes was only speaking the truth.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You mean he was but a pawn in a bigger picture?....Used by the AFL, the NSW Govt, the Murdoch press, shock jocks & other sundry minority interest groups to manipulate the media to this point?... In order to further facilitate their own agendas?....Shocking revelation.

Just giving the complete picture.

Not like the right wingers don't have a deep vested interest in keeping this bubbling.

 

[Mordecai]

In hindsight was this racist?

 

[Dan26]

506 pages, and people are still trotting this one out.

That's because it's true.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT GOODES RACE.

What the fans are rejecting isn't the Aboriginal race which Goodes belongs to, but Goodes HIMSELF. The booing fans see Goodes as a divider, not a unifer, a thin-skinned opinionated sook, who thinks "racist" at booing fans, when they are not racist at al.

It's not about Adam Goodes race. It's about Adam Goodes opinions and actions on race, which are perceived as being divisive. In fact, they ARE divisive. Look at this thread, and the column space in the media. it is unquestionably divisive and the fans hate that.

The booing fans, and the non-booers who simply dislike Goodes, are hating the insulting insinuation that they are racists.

 

[sherb]

How many times do you want to comment the same thing

It's a troll account, it won't last long.

 

[Ships]

Otherwise all, Aboriginal players would be getting booed. And of course, they are not.

It's 'the uppity black', not 'the black' who gets booed - you are correct.

 

[Choomah]

It's a troll account, it won't last long.

Unbelievable, he should probably learn how to put a sentence together

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

Looks like the AFL's and their media lackey's attempts to ban the boo are an epic fail. Plenty of booing on Friday night, and plenty today with the Pies fans booing Lumumba and Watts.

But if they were trying to reduce the size of the crowds it looks like they are doing a fine job. All of the crowds in Vic would be below expectations.

But hey all those people not attending are probably racists so who cares..........................

 

[Fruit_Platter]

LOL...Fruit_Platter...You couldn't come up with a fresher or more ambiguous Alias?....Dear Lord.




Actually it's the AFL media dominated line that anyone who 'boos' Goodes might get confused for a 'racist', so don't join em lest you be 'marked' as one of em.

Further, the line was mooted that it (the constant 'booing') may well constitute bullying...So if you 'boo' then you may well be 'marked-out' as a bully.

Lets get our facts right here...The attempts to quash the fans freedom of speech, or at the very least assuage it by the media run agenda; Is nothing other than a sleight-of-hand smear campaign; directed against the fans in an attempt to socially alienate & ostracize any citizen not towing the AFL/NSW Govt line.

It is the pro-Gooodes' camp who have pushed & foisted the concepts of 'racism & 'bullying' here & no one else; in their attempts to hijack the dialogue & ram their agenda down the fans throats in a week-long, blanket media-campaign blitzkrieg.

Propaganda 101.

Sorry but this is my only account. I don't have the need to hide behind numerous accounts

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Adam Goodes gets frustrated at supporters and responds to Boo's with "wardance" directed at supporters. Which gets a massive response of Boo's again.
For that response Everyone who boo's him is "RACIST".

How he made that connection is mindblowing!!

Except that Adam Goodes never made that connection.

But never let actual facts get in the way of a good rant, eh?