Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Tyrone Time]

You are kidding me

"Some find his message and actions confronting. But the issue of racism is so deep-seated nothing short of confronting can change the tide of generations of prejudice," Pridham said.

"Some disgraceful media commentary from people of some profile, either seeking ratings or relevance, have taken the contrary view for its sake, even if the contrary argument is hopelessly outdated and flawed. These people claiming it's Adam's fault, he needs to change his behaviours … it's akin to blaming a victim of rape for the way they dress, walk, talk. It is totally unacceptable.

"Some say it's political correctness gone mad. It's not political correctness, it's just correctness, it's just decency. The handful of media commentators and high profile sportsmen who have used these arguments are so hopelessly out of step with today's community standards it's frightening. History will judge them very harshly if they are remembered at all."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-sw...idham-says-20150801-gipfep.html#ixzz3hZ0N4o13

 

[DrEvil_]

The AFL has a pretty pathetic booing culture really. I actually dont know how fans have the energy to do it. I remember watching the Lions get pumped by plenty last season at Adelaide Oval and very late in the game the fans were going crazy booing at anything. I remember thinking "Shut up, get a beer, and get ready to sing your team song"

At least we don't get flares.

 

[Procrastinator35]

If you have an indigenous friend that's instant credibility. No ifs, buts or maybes. It's in the rules of the thread if you want to check.

Credibility here is measured by the soundness of your arguments & their relevance to the topic, the quality of your prose & the strength of your conceptual dexterity in relation to each point.

You ain't tracking so well, let me give you the drum.

 

[DesertRoo]

At least we don't get flares.

I think we could get even more inventive then that.

 

[BFVirgin]

Credibility here is measured by the soundness of your arguments & their relevance to the topic, the quality of your prose & the strength of your conceptual dexterity in relation to each point.

You ain't tracking so well, let me give you the drum.

You, Sir, are a cunning linguist. Bravo.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You, Sir, are a cunning linguist. Bravo.

Oh, thanks for the reminder....And humor

 

[Balony_pony16]

If you have an indigenous friend AND you think 13 year olds couldn't possibly have any idea that yelling abuse can somehow be construed as offensive then Adam Goodes' AOTY speech must be offensive to you and you should probably be doing the AFL community a favour and boo him.

I don't make the rules.

Oh you are one of those people who think it is all or nothing on what ever "side" you take

Maybe she did maybe she didn't... I don't know mate. It wouldn't surprise me if majority of 13year olds didn't understand the true meaning.

I liked Goodes AOTY speecch

 

[Ashton Agar]

This round has been a disgrace.

 

[Number37]

Credibility here is measured by the soundness of your arguments & their relevance to the topic, the quality of your prose & the strength of your conceptual dexterity in relation to each point.

You ain't tracking so well, let me give you the drum.

I don't want to upset you, but did you ask Adam Goodes if you could give me a drum?
I would accept your drum but it may infringe on my right to free speech and that might make so mad that I need to look it up on wikipedia.

 

[Dan26]

I don't think I've ever seen an issue where the media is so out of step with the general public.

The media, tend to be leftist types who like to be "seen" to be compassionate. Most journalists, and those who put their thoughts to print are aware that their thoughts are being read by tens of thousands of people, so they tend to take the "safe" so-called compassionate opinion.

The reality is that there isn't even a hint of racism by the booing fans in any of this. If it was, then all Aboriginal players would be booed, which of course they aren't. What the fans are rejecting is Goodes himself, because they disapprove of several things about him.

1.) His on-field acts a few years ago, which he has cleaned up now.

2.) His bullying attitude towards a 13 years old girl, calling her "the face of racism." This made Goodes seem thin-skinned and a bully

3.) His Australia day speech, where he criticised his own country. How dare someone do that when they are bestowed the greatest honour you can get in our country.

4.) His war dance, which only inflamed things. Seriously, if you are getting booed, why inflame things with a race-based Aboriginal dance? Does he think fans WON'T then react to that?

5.) His divisive politics. Like so many leftists, he preaches reconciliation, yet HE is the one bringing race into the equation. HE is the one talking about race.

If he would stop bringing politics into everything, and stop dividing the country by race, then that would be a good start to win the fans back. But he won't. He has too many leftists types in his ear giving him the wrong advice.

The AFL is partly to blame with all of this, as they have applied the same reverse racism to many of their policies such as selecting an all-aboriginal International Rules team where whites were excluded. When you divide by race, the people reject it.

 

[hardon]

Booing him for it has a bad look.

ok, sure. some people don't like the way it looks. that's subjective and i can't possibly deny an opinion. i don't think i'd criticize anyone who just said it wasn't a good look. i just disagree with the 'clear' link to racism though, and the AFL and media's solution to the booing/racism 'problem'.

Coming on forums like this is better. People are better able to vent, go through the issues etc.

agree. i hope you'll notice though that a polemic writing style has been employed overwhelmingly by one particular side. makes civil discussion hard.

That's my view - not "the media's view", the AFL's etc.

i can see that. if you were directly parroting most of the AFL, or pious, media opinions you'd be so hysterical and hyperventilating you'd barely be able to type.

peace.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

In all honesty, I am more inclined to want to boo Goodes because the AFL and media are basically labeling anyone who boos, a racist.

Why must we deal in absolutes? Why is it assumed that 100% of the people booing are doing it due to racism?

 

[Tyrone Time]

I don't want to upset you, but did you ask Adam Goodes if you could give me a drum?
I would accept your drum but it may infringe on my right to free speech and that might make so mad that I need to look it up on wikipedia.

Thank goodness for the ignore button.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I never liked them much any way due to Cola, and I know what Sydney stands for and how they operate.


But this is another perverted level altogether and the stain into the footy fabric of this political farce is an utter unforgivable disgrace.

I don't watch NRL hardly any more and any time I have to watch the Swans I hope they go down in flames.

I hope GWS knock them out of the comp!!!

My god your life would be bleak without all these windmills to tilt at, wouldn't it?

Don't think I've ever seen a footy fan bring so much AGENDA to every aspect of the game.

Life's actually a lot simpler, and a darn sight more enjoyable than that pal.

 

[hardon]

you asked for some proof in a thread on a forum champ.

please accept my sincerest apologies if my proof in any way undermined your eloquent argument champ

no, really, champion, i don't honestly know which proof i asked for champion that you replied to champion.

if you, champion, are trying to prove that racists exist, or that they attend, and get ejected from AFL games, then you'll get no argument from me chaaaaaaampioooooooooonnnnnnn.

 

[Number37]

Oh you are one of those people who think it is all or nothing on what ever "side" you take

Maybe she did maybe she didn't... I don't know mate. It wouldn't surprise me if majority of 13year olds didn't understand the true meaning.

I liked Goodes AOTY speecch

If you boo for racist reasons then yeah I think it is all or nothing.
If you boo because you don't like the way he plays... boo to your hearts content, if you are comfortable that you are not supporting the racists, don't worry about what the AFL says, boo to your hearts content.

I don't think it matters if she knew or not. Sure it was a tough lesson for her to learn but all in all it was handled the right way.

 

[JackOutback]

I don't think I've ever seen an issue where the media is so out of step with the general public.

The media, tend to be leftist types who like to be "seen" to be compassionate. Most journalists, and those who put their thoughts to print are aware that their thoughts are being read by tens of thousands of people, so they tend to take the "safe" so-called compassionate opinion.

The reality is that there isn't even a hint of racism by the booing fans in any of this. If it was, then all Aboriginal players would be booed, which of course they aren't. What the fans are rejecting is Goodes himself, because they disapprove of several things about him.

1.) His on-field acts a few years ago, which he has cleaned up now.

2.) His bullying attitude towards a 13 years old girl, calling her "the face of racism." This made Goodes seem thin-skinned and a bully

3.) His Australia day speech, where he criticised his own country. How dare someone do that when they are bestowed the greatest honour you can get in our country.

4.) His war dance, which only inflamed things. Seriously, if you are getting booed, why inflame things with a race-based Aboriginal dance? Does he think fans WON'T then react to that?

5.) His divisive politics. Like so many leftists, he preaches reconciliation, yet HE is the one bringing race into the equation. HE is the one talking about race.

If he would stop bringing politics into everything, and stop dividing the country by race, then that would be a good start to win the fans back. But he won't. He has too many leftists types in his ear giving him the wrong advice.

The AFL is partly to blame with all of this, as they have applied the same reverse racism to many of their policies such as selecting an all-aboriginal International Rules team where whites were excluded. When you divide by race, the people reject it.

You do realise that you say this is nothing to do with race and then list four out five points that are all about race (while admitting the only point not about race isn't even relevant any more).

It beggars belief. Go watch Charlie Pickering's segment from this week, he may as well have been addressing you personally.

 

[Fruit_Platter]

I don't think I've ever seen an issue where the media is so out of step with the general public.

The media, tend to be leftist types who like to be "seen" to be compassionate. Most journalists, and those who put their thoughts to print are aware that their thoughts are being read by tens of thousands of people, so they tend to take the "safe" so-called compassionate opinion.

The reality is that there isn't even a hint of racism by the booing fans in any of this. If it was, then all Aboriginal players would be booed, which of course they aren't. What the fans are rejecting is Goodes himself, because they disapprove of several things about him.

1.) His on-field acts a few years ago, which he has cleaned up now.

2.) His bullying attitude towards a 13 years old girl, calling her "the face of racism." This made Goodes seem thin-skinned and a bully

3.) His Australia day speech, where he criticised his own country. How dare someone do that when they are bestowed the greatest honour you can get in our country.

4.) His war dance, which only inflamed things. Seriously, if you are getting booed, why inflame things with a race-based Aboriginal dance? Does he think fans WON'T then react to that?

5.) His divisive politics. Like so many leftists, he preaches reconciliation, yet HE is the one bringing race into the equation. HE is the one talking about race.

If he would stop bringing politics into everything, and stop dividing the country by race, then that would be a good start to win the fans back. But he won't. He has too many leftists types in his ear giving him the wrong advice.

The AFL is partly to blame with all of this, as they have applied the same reverse racism to many of their policies such as selecting an all-aboriginal International Rules team where whites were excluded. When you divide by race, the people reject it.

Where did he criticise the country in his acceptance speech? just wondering if you could enlighten us?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Seems what offends Adam can fill 500 or more pages on Big Footy in less than a week....He is clearly bigger than the game itself & from now on, all AFL edicts accompanying crowd behavior must be ratified through him.

I'm surprised you don't see that this is much bigger than Adam Goodes now. I doubt he has any influence whatsoever in how this pans out now.

 

[Roobs321]

Ugh, just opened the thread for the first time and checked the poll result. Absolutely puerile. Just leave the man alone.

 

[hardon]

I have a few indigenous friends... not sure how this is relevant, but thought I better own up

depends...

if you are pro-goodes, as it were, then they probably give you a good insight.

if you are pro-booing, for want of a better term, then you are most likely imagining them for a fallacious appeal to authority. their (imaginary) opinions can be ignored.

 

[subaru]

My god your life would be bleak without all these windmills to tilt at, wouldn't it?

Don't think I've ever seen a footy fan bring so much AGENDA to every aspect of the game.

Life's actually a lot simpler, and a darn sight more enjoyable than that pal.

I don't think I've ever seen a PLAYER bring so much agenda to the game

 

[Choomah]

I don't think I've ever seen an issue where the media is so out of step with the general public.

The media, tend to be leftist types who like to be "seen" to be compassionate. Most journalists, and those who put their thoughts to print are aware that their thoughts are being read by tens of thousands of people, so they tend to take the "safe" so-called compassionate opinion.

The reality is that there isn't even a hint of racism by the booing fans in any of this. If it was, then all Aboriginal players would be booed, which of course they aren't. What the fans are rejecting is Goodes himself, because they disapprove of several things about him.

1.) His on-field acts a few years ago, which he has cleaned up now.

2.) His bullying attitude towards a 13 years old girl, calling her "the face of racism." This made Goodes seem thin-skinned and a bully

3.) His Australia day speech, where he criticised his own country. How dare someone do that when they are bestowed the greatest honour you can get in our country.

4.) His war dance, which only inflamed things. Seriously, if you are getting booed, why inflame things with a race-based Aboriginal dance? Does he think fans WON'T then react to that?

5.) His divisive politics. Like so many leftists, he preaches reconciliation, yet HE is the one bringing race into the equation. HE is the one talking about race.

If he would stop bringing politics into everything, and stop dividing the country by race, then that would be a good start to win the fans back. But he won't. He has too many leftists types in his ear giving him the wrong advice.

The AFL is partly to blame with all of this, as they have applied the same reverse racism to many of their policies such as selecting an all-aboriginal International Rules team where whites were excluded. When you divide by race, the people reject it.

Better only write half of what he said to suit your argument hey, that little rat deserved to be called out

 

[sherb]

You do realise that you say this is nothing to do with race and then list four out five points that are all about race (while admitting the only point not about race isn't even relevant any more).

It beggars belief. Go watch Charlie Pickering's segment from this week, he may as well have been addressing you personally.

Not if you are familiar with Dan's posting history.

 

[Dan26]

If you boo for racist reasons then yeah I think it is all or nothing.
If you boo because you don't like the way he plays... boo to your hearts content, if you are comfortable that you are not supporting the racists, don't worry about what the AFL says, boo to your hearts content.

I don't think it matters if she knew or not. Sure it was a tough lesson for her to learn but all in all it was handled the right way.

It wasn't handled well at all.

She was grilled and then detained, by police for two hours, initially without her grandmother present, and threatened with charges. Her face was shown on national TV and she was publicly branded a racist.

Now at the time of the incident Goodes wouldn't have known her age. Yet the next day after finding out her age, Goodes absurdly declared “racism had a face - and it was a 13-year-old girl”.

Most fans were thinking, "How dare he"

And then he gets rewarded as Australian of the year. Upon receiving this award, he says:


“Our very dark past, a brutal history of dispossession, theft and slaughter. Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have r*ped, killed and stolen. The people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft ... turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.”

I mean, the guy has just won Australian of the year for God's sake. You're not supposed to criticise you own country.

My ancestors to my knowledge committed no thefts, rapes or murders. I presume Goodes European ancestors didn't either.