List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[eaglevision]

How would we feel if the club read out Hotton’s name on draft night?

Depends who is still on the board but I’d rather split than take Hotton.

 

[Dark Sharks]

How would we feel if the club read out Hotton’s name on draft night?

Very riskyyyyy.

Chesser, Brander, Venables

We cook another first rounder and there's gonna be pain for years. That's not even mentioning how bad things would look if Hewett was added to that mix.


That said, I generally like when the club makes out of the box, risky, potential upside draft choices. Lamb and Venables I actually quite liked at the time.

Hotton coming in for Parto is still better than us taking a KPP or defender.

 

[Schtinker]

Lindsay is the one. Need a left footer for the Gimp Wing.

 

[stallon]

How would we feel if the club read out Hotton’s name on draft night?

Not keen.
Wouldnt be a disaster but would be a bit disappointing

 

[Wooshaaaa]

How would we feel if the club read out Hotton’s name on draft night?

No issue with it. He is fit and almost ready to go.

And, it's a distinct possibility, ney almost certainty, if trevaglia isn't there.

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[ronpingwins]

No issue with it. He is fit and almost ready to go.

And, it's a distinct possibility, ney almost certainty, if trevaglia isn't there.

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Wait, what? Almost certainty? Ahead of Lindsay?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Very riskyyyyy.

Chesser, Brander, Venables

I thinks that's more of a "P1113" problem.

If your first round pick is between 11 and 13, you're odds on to get a shit player.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Wait, what? Almost certainty? Ahead of Lindsay?

I'm taking Lindsay over TT, too.

 

[Lazzas]

I'm taking Lindsay over TT, too.

There's lots different opinions I would take TT. He will be in off the board by the Eagles pick sadly. Can play back, forward, mid. Has all the tools to end up one of the elite players.

 

[Keys]

Really important we get at least another pick in the 25-50 range to go with the 12 and 26 we currently have so we can pick up a player like this

Then get Champion late and another late draft or rookie pick (like Artemis or Dennis if he’s still on the board)

Five draftees leaves two train on spots open. I suspect one is reserved for Burgiel if he can show the required improvement in application

**** knows who the other might be now Carroll has signed with St Kilda

Parfitt, Prior, Clurey (yuk), Grainger-Barrass among the names raised here but not necessarily linked to us in the media. Maybe Ruscoe or Winder as other options

 

[mat11]

Really important we get at least another pick in the 25-50 range to go with the 12 and 26 we currently have so we can pick up a player like this

Then get Champion late and another late draft or rookie pick (like Artemis or Dennis if he’s still on the board)

Five draftees leaves two train on spots open. I suspect one is reserved for Burgiel if he can show the required improvement in application

**** knows who the other might be now Carroll has signed with St Kilda

Parfitt, Prior, Clurey (yuk), Grainger-Barrass among the names raised here but not necessarily linked to us in the media. Maybe Ruscoe or Winder as other options

I'd be hoping for one of Barrat or Dennis if we could trade back into the 2nd or 3rd round as another KPB developing would be handy. The question is, if Hynes, Davis or Oliver (likely) aren't available at 26(30) do we reach for boxshall there?

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[6285sutto]

Really important we get at least another pick in the 25-50 range to go with the 12 and 26 we currently have so we can pick up a player like this

Then get Champion late and another late draft or rookie pick (like Artemis or Dennis if he’s still on the board)

Five draftees leaves two train on spots open. I suspect one is reserved for Burgiel if he can show the required improvement in application

**** knows who the other might be now Carroll has signed with St Kilda

Parfitt, Prior, Clurey (yuk), Grainger-Barrass among the names raised here but not necessarily linked to us in the media. Maybe Ruscoe or Winder as other options

I just dont see how this would happen to be honest.
Most of the teams with picks in that range have been collecting them to use for matching bids so unlikely to give them up for the future picks we could use.
STK do have a picks 32 and 47 and I wonder if we could nab 1 using a future pick otherwise if they would swap 26 for 32 and 47?
Richmond or GWS are another two clubs with several picks we could maybe target ?

Collingwood played it pretty smooth trading pick 58 for 60 + 66 although these are very late in draft.

 

[omaca]

Very riskyyyyy.

Chesser, Brander, Venables

We cook another first rounder and there's gonna be pain for years. That's not even mentioning how bad things would look if Hewett was added to that mix.


That said, I generally like when the club makes out of the box, risky, potential upside draft choices. Lamb and Venables I actually quite liked at the time.

Hotton coming in for Parto is still better than us taking a KPP or defender.

You can’t use Venables as a “cooked” First Round pick. He was a very good player whose career was ended by injury. That has absolutely zero relation to our drafting/picking him.

 

[Keys]

I'd be hoping for one of Barrat or Dennis if we could trade back into the 2nd or 3rd round as another KPB developing would be handy. The question is, if Hynes, Davis or Oliver (likely) aren't available at 26(30) do we reach for boxshall there?

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Ough, Moraes or Gross are others I wouldn’t be unhappy with if they’re still there for our 2nd pick

Agree with Barrat as an option if we do trade for another pick

 

[stallon]

Boxshall sounds like another Clay Hall type?
Not saying its an issue at all, we probably want at least 1 mid of that type to end up best 22 in a couple of years.

Could we get 2 picks later on? Split 26 for 2 picks in the 30s? Get Boxshall + Dennis with these 2 picks
Or what if we use a f2 to get a couple of picks in the 35-45 range. Get Dennis + Boxshall along with Lindsay + Clarke/Oliver/whoever?

 

[Keys]

I just dont see how this would happen to be honest.
Most of the teams with picks in that range have been collecting them to use for matching bids so unlikely to give them up for the future picks we could use.
STK do have a picks 32 and 47 and I wonder if we could nab 1 using a future pick otherwise if they would swap 26 for 32 and 47?
Richmond or GWS are another two clubs with several picks we could maybe target ?

Collingwood played it pretty smooth trading pick 58 for 60 + 66 although these are very late in draft.

It’s been posted previously but Essendon are going to lose 28 and 31 to a Kako bid so they’ll be offloading those two picks

The trade that makes sense for both clubs is

Our 2xF2 picks for 28,31 before a bid on Kako, then

Pick 26 for Essendon’s F2 after a bid on Kako

Maybe with swap other later pick swaps if needed to balance it out but that’s the bones of the trade

We end up with 28,31 instead of 26 whilst giving up one future R2 pick

It makes so much sense it hurts

 

[TheNewAnchor]

West Coast would not be an appealing choice for mids at the moment. One is there a spot available and two what role will you be used in.

So the 5 mids that get picked around the ball include - Graham, Yeo, Kelly, Reid and Baker. Now Baker could be used in other roles but the 1st 4 are always going to play. The real problem is that 3 of those 4 have zero defensive run, and as we have seen the 5th mid which was Ginbey early then Duggan later in the year was just a defensive role filling gaps around the ball and on the wings. Gimp wing is a career killer, young players and mature players alike have fallen apart out there.

Now there is a new coach and hopefully change but if I was a player I would only come to West Coast if they were paying me money that no other club would - Hunt + Flynn or if I had a close relationship to the new coach - Graham + Baker. Owies is an interesting one I am not sure how much West Coast are paying him but with the likes of Ryan, an ageing Cripps, Petch and Brockman he could find himself doing all the work that these players can't / won't do.

So, an 18yo draft hopeful (mid, potentially) tells WC, "sorry, you're not an appealing destination, best you target someone else, I'm buggered if I'm going to play for one of the biggest clubs in Aus in front of 40,000 plus each week".

I don't think so.

 

[mat11]

Boxshall sounds like another Clay Hall type?
Not saying its an issue at all, we probably want at least 1 mid of that type to end up best 22 in a couple of years.

Could we get 2 picks later on? Split 26 for 2 picks in the 30s? Get Boxshall + Dennis with these 2 picks
Or what if we use a f2 to get a couple of picks in the 35-45 range. Get Dennis + Boxshall along with Lindsay + Clarke/Oliver/whoever?

I haven't spent a huge amount of time watching boxshall but when i did he reminded me a bit more or M Johnson at freo than Hall.

I think as a few posters have mentioned before, getting Ess 3 first picks before kako then trading our 26 back after kako bid could be our best bet, if possible not 100% sure on draft legalities.

Could this work ??
In - 28, 31, 40, Ess F3
Out - 26, Hawks f2 + f3

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[stallon]

I haven't spent a huge amount of time watching boxshall but when i did he reminded me a bit more or M Johnson at freo than Hall.

I think as a few posters have mentioned before, getting Ess 3 first picks before kako then trading our 26 back after kako bid could be our best bet, if possible not 100% sure on draft legalities.

Could this work ??
In - 28, 31, 40, Ess F3
Out - 26, Hawks f2 + f3

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Essendon might need that pick 40 depending where a Kako bid comes, but we could always wait for someone to bid on Kako before doing it to make sure.

If the Bombers need pick 40 then the 2x f2s for 28+31, then swap back 26 for ess f2+f3. End result wcef2+hawf2+26 for essf2+essf3+28+31
If they dont need 40 then something like what you described would be absolutely ideal imo.

Take Lindsay, Clarke, Barrat/Nicholls, Boxshall or something
If we like Dennis we could even split the Barrat pick for pick 40ish+a future pick, id be happy with Barrat though

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

You can’t use Venables as a “cooked” First Round pick. He was a very good player whose career was ended by injury. That has absolutely zero relation to our drafting/picking him.

Probably hadn't shown enough in the short time he had for him to be described as a "very good player" although he had potential.
Didn't get the opportunity to show his growth but averaged less than 10 touches in 1.5 seasons and only had 4 touches on GF day.
I would've described him as a low possession, high impact player.

 

[Dark Sharks]

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You can’t use Venables as a “cooked” First Round pick. He was a very good player whose career was ended by injury. That has absolutely zero relation to our drafting/picking him.

Think you missed the point. It's not a dig at Venables. Legit next paragraph I mentioned I was happy when we drafted him as well.

But the end result is the same. That selection didn't pay off for us, due to whatever reason, which in this case includes his injuries. The end result is the same.

The point is, we don't have a good strike rate with our recent first rounders and that needs to change, or the impact is going to be huge.

 

[wcesam]

I think you guys are underestimating our drafting prowess.

Don't forget that after months of intricate research, mathematical calculations and other secret methods, we acquired THE clear best player in last year's draft.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I think you guys are underestimating our drafting prowess.

Don't forget that after months of intricate research, mathematical calculations and other secret methods, we acquired THE clear best player in last year's draft.

Would've loved to have paired him with another gun midfielder at the pointy end of the draft, but a 27 year old half back/forward was the priority for us.

 

[Mattman93]

How would we feel if the club read out Hotton’s name on draft night?

Probably a stupid risk when you combine lack of exposed form with ACL worries. But I'd be excited by it; don't love any of the likely options and he's probably the outlier in terms of talent.

Offers a good fit for us too - front half player who actually finds the ball, exceptionally clean and creative by hand. Has both an aerial and ground level presence. Elite 20m and agility - the agility in particular shows but at the same time his game relies a lot on short sharp sideways movements so the knee would be even more of a worry.

Biggest concern is his abysmal kicking.

 

[random260]

You can’t use Venables as a “cooked” First Round pick. He was a very good player whose career was ended by injury. That has absolutely zero relation to our drafting/picking him.

I'm very harsh on Venables because he took jake waterman spot in 2018

Venables was not good player. In fact I go as far as saying he was trajectory was worse then chesser.

Chessser shows dash and kicking and some aggression that Venables showed nothing off. They are both equal in terms of amount of ball they find.

Venables was projecting to be a dud of a pick