Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Allegedly

 

[Sqotty from office works]

How does this prove intent? There are a million other explanations of how they could be separated? Unless there is usable records or data a phone on its own proves no intent

It shows killer took phone from body and separately discarded it. Actively and thoughtfully

 

[Underarrest_]

It shows killer took phone from body and separately discarded it.

I see what you’re saying.
Could he have separated it though to put police on a different path?

 

[Run n Spread]

It shows killer took phone from body and separately discarded it. Actively and thoughtfully

Someone found the phone was going to hand it in. Found next day it could've been missing woman and panicked.
Offender accidently killed SM than panicked.
An accomplice ditched the phone
To.prove murder you need to.prove intent and Malice aforethought.
A.phone on its own.does.nothing.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Samantha's been missing for over 120 days, it's hard to believe that phone would be totally undamaged and in perfect working order if it's been submerged for four months.

Watch a bit of man vs river on YouTube, entirely possible.

 

[31550]

The phone proves it was separated from the victim.
Proves intent.

It doesn't prove intent.
It proves nothing unless police can connect the offender with the phone or the dam. If anything, finding the phone without finding Samantha opens up more possibilities, including one where the phone was disposed of by someone other than the killer.

 

[31550]

So, I just tested my IPhone. I started Strava and then powered down while it was tracking a walk. I restarted my phone and couldn't access anything without entering my pin. Once I entered my pin I could go back into Strava and it had continued to record time while the phone was powered down, but no movement because I was sitting at that point, it had kept the walk open and just resumed it automatically. Interesting that the app continued to keep track of time while the phone was off! How did it do that?? You would think that if the phone was powered down that the app would reset and you would have to start a new activity.

It would seem that once an activity is started, the app does not consider it to stop when it loses connectivity with the phone. It probably only stops the activity when you tell it to, or when it detects the device has been at rest for a specific period of time. When you restart the phone, the app just picks up the last activity and continues monitoring it. You can confirm that the app will have recorded no 'activity events' during the time the phone was switched off. It did not detect that you sat down.

 

[mrskafoops]

It would seem that once an activity is started, the app does not consider it to stop when it loses connectivity with the phone. It probably only stops the activity when you tell it to, or when it detects the device has been at rest for a specific period of time. When you restart the phone, the app just picks up the last activity and continues monitoring it. You can confirm that the app will have recorded no 'activity events' during the time the phone was switched off. It did not detect that you sat down.

It could explain how they found the phone though. The app started monitoring again when the phone was turned on and pinged. It would have given them the location the phone switched off maybe?

 

[31550]

It could explain how they found the phone though. The app started monitoring again when the phone was turned on and pinged. It would have given them the location the phone switched off maybe?

The phone being on causes the ping. Doesn't need any particular apps to be running, just the phone itself and anything that might use cellular data. The phone being switched off causes a cell disconnect event which is logged.

 

[mrskafoops]

The phone being on causes the ping. Doesn't need any particular apps to be running, just the phone itself and anything that might use cellular data. The phone being switched off causes a cell disconnect event which is logged.

Yes, what I meant was re the fitness app tracking. Could the phone have been turned on, the app resumed tracking, then it powered down when it was thrown in the dam. Could this have given them a specific location of the phone?

 

[stormsfan]

Theres a very high chance the phone is fine i found an iphone 12 that was in salt water when i was doing a kayak tour . Dried it out charged it and it turned on and call the owner . No shite she lost it on australia day and i found it a year and half later. Somwone else either planted the phone in the location or he threw it and it landed on a bank if the perp was next to the dam they wouldve hoiked it into the middle

 

[stormsfan]

Yes, what I meant was re the fitness app tracking. Could the phone have been turned on, the app resumed tracking, then it powered down when it was thrown in the dam. Could this have given them a specific location of the phone?

LE spoke of new intel about a month ago which sparked a new search. Ive got a feeling someone else was involved with hiding her body or they have info on what went down and have been giving info anonymously

 

[stormsfan]

Yes, what I meant was re the fitness app tracking. Could the phone have been turned on, the app resumed tracking, then it powered down when it was thrown in the dam. Could this have given them a specific location of the phone?

She could've had emergency sms feature on. And if they sent the sms to people in the Ballarat district asking for assistance or to be on high alert like those amber alerts
she would've got the smswhich could could've been the last ping

 

[Terrafirma]

The phone is fine for data retrieval and yes they used her fitness apps that link back to whatever website for information. It was stated earlier in this case that after looking at her fitness tracking information etc they could see her travelling at particular, speed, pace and heart rate when there was a sudden change and it's believed that's when she was interfered with.

 

[ApplesandBananas]

They've charged him w/ murder. So the police clearly have some information/evidence that directly links him with a her -body and or death, irrespective of the phone found. he conjecture on what that is, is the most interesting point.

 

[Catch]

Maybe the reason why the phone seems to be in good order and all her cards etc were still in there is the perpetrator might want to get the phone back at some point, maybe as a trophy ? But as a quick hide, it was placed there. Are the owners or renters connected ? Police have been around there before

 

[Run n Spread]

Cycling way way back. Did she even go for a run? Last photo was her dressed in active wear walking back chucking dog shit in a bin captured on home CCTV. Where is the proof she even went back out for a run?
Smart watch which hasn't been found?
Another camera shot?
Wasn't Ron idles who said assume nothing.
And there is nothing. For all we know POS was just in wrong place wrong time or sweeped up in a wide net and is rotting in jail for years based on pr?
Will be interesting preliminary hearing. Maybe a slam dunk but eventually the crown will need to show their hand

 

[thumbs_up]

Cycling way way back. Did she even go for a run? Last photo was her dressed in active wear walking back chucking dog shit in a bin captured on home CCTV. Where is the proof she even went back out for a run?
Smart watch which hasn't been found?
Another camera shot?
Wasn't Ron idles who said assume nothing.
And there is nothing. For all we know POS was just in wrong place wrong time or sweeped up in a wide net and is rotting in jail for years based on pr?
Will be interesting preliminary hearing. Maybe a slam dunk but eventually the crown will need to show their hand

She went for a run and got as far as Mt Clear. This info is in the public domain.

 

[Run n Spread]

She went for a run and got as far as Mt Clear. This info is in the public domain.

Where? Did police release an official statement in court documents or a tip off?

 

[Underarrest_]

She went for a run and got as far as Mt Clear. This info is in the public domain.

SM’s watch made it to Mt Clear. I assume SM was wearing it.

 

[Run n Spread]

SM’s watch made it to Mt Clear. I assume SM was wearing it.

Did it?
Ultimately anyway none of us know.
Have to wait for the courts

 

[JDavey]

The phone is fine for data retrieval and yes they used her fitness apps that link back to whatever website for information. It was stated earlier in this case that after looking at her fitness tracking information etc they could see her travelling at particular, speed, pace and heart rate when there was a sudden change and it's believed that's when she was interfered with.

Winner winner...

I wonder if she has a Strava or an equivalent? Anyone running 20km+ at 7am is a fairly serious runner and would most likely be tracking their runs.

The assumption being I would expect shes run the route that she took before and they should be able to retrace her steps via various logged runs

 

[31550]

Cycling way way back. Did she even go for a run? Last photo was her dressed in active wear walking back chucking dog shit in a bin captured on home CCTV. Where is the proof she even went back out for a run?
Smart watch which hasn't been found?
Another camera shot?
Wasn't Ron idles who said assume nothing.
And there is nothing. For all we know POS was just in wrong place wrong time or sweeped up in a wide net and is rotting in jail for years based on pr?
Will be interesting preliminary hearing. Maybe a slam dunk but eventually the crown will need to show their hand

The police have publicly stated that is what they believe. But you are correct, the actual physical evidence has not yet been presented. It probably will in the trial.

 

[FrankGrimes]

Cycling way way back. Did she even go for a run? Last photo was her dressed in active wear walking back chucking dog shit in a bin captured on home CCTV. Where is the proof she even went back out for a run?
Smart watch which hasn't been found?
Another camera shot?
Wasn't Ron idles who said assume nothing.
And there is nothing. For all we know POS was just in wrong place wrong time or sweeped up in a wide net and is rotting in jail for years based on pr?
Will be interesting preliminary hearing. Maybe a slam dunk but eventually the crown will need to show their hand

Last photo released, I’m sure police wouldn’t state publicly she went for a run if she didn’t leave the house, I’m sure they have footage of her actually leaving they just haven’t released it.

 

[Run n Spread]

Last photo released, I’m sure police wouldn’t state publicly she went for a run if she didn’t leave the house, I’m sure they have footage of her actually leaving they just haven’t released it.

I'm not sure so trust nothing assume nothing

 

[Catch]

The search area was highlighted in 'intelligence derived from a number of sources,' a police spokesperson said at the time.

The location of the phone firms-up the police theory Ms Murphy's killer likely dumped it in the dam before heading into the Durham reserve to dispose of her body.

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BREAKING NEWS​

Sam Murphy's accused murderer Patrick Orren Stephenson

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hires top lawyer Paul Galbally​

Search crews are expected to again venture out into the thick terrain over the coming weeks as forensic technicians work to extract data from the muddy phone.

The phone could contain information ranging from an indication to the actual location Ms Murphy died, to video footage or images of her last moments alive.

Major update after discovery of Samantha Murphy's phone

A new update has been shared on the condition of the phone belongint to allegedly murdered mother Samantha Murphy.

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