Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

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189cm

Wt

81kg

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Def

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Last 5

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10.5

3star

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6.4

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4.1

3star

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3.3

3star

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1.8

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MG

220.3

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D

9.0

2star

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5.5

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3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

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2.0

3star

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210.0

3star

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11.2

3star

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6.2

3star

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5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

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1.8

4star

MG

219.6

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charged



Allegedly

 

[Zidane98]

Ok starting to think this is possible as it was a late model iPhone so likely decent waterproof rating. Phone was probably sitting in no more than 1 metre deep fresh water for ~ 3 months. Chances are they will more than likely be able to get data from the phone but it’s not like she was using Strava or any app with good geo capability. I’m just not sure they will find anything really helpful on the phone. Once the phone is switched off I just don’t think there is a lot that happens on a phone.

Do any of these apps record audio?

 

[BFew]

Police find a body near Ballarat - close to where Sam Murphy vanished

Leonards Hill is about 38km from missing mum Samantha Murphy's home on Eureka St in Ballarat.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[jason_recliner]

Police find a body near Ballarat - close to where Sam Murphy vanished

Leonards Hill is about 38km from missing mum Samantha Murphy's home on Eureka St in Ballarat.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Different person and case, sadly.

 

[Percel]

How would you theorize the phone not being co-located with the body?

And how do you rationalise the selective release of information to the media? Going from public appeals for information to all of a sudden charging POS then saying nothing for weeks, then selectively publicising one or two searches in specific locations.

It's hard to fit all the facts to a criminal mastermind. But it's equally hard to fit all the facts to an absolute moron.

The police decision to release information is at their whim. Without the reasons why, no one can really hazard a guess, they have to play the long game.

There’s a million theories on separating the phone from the body, but none of them give you anything until the suspect spills. Pegging a phone into a dam doesn’t make you a genius, could have been hours after…

 

[bratam]

Do any of these apps record audio?

I doubt it. But even if you are using something like Strava you still need to save it and download it at the end of your run. If you don’t save it then it won’t be downloaded and stored, but maybe the data is stored in the background.

 

[BomberManU]

This thread had it's 'moments', for a while, but compared to the ongoing lunacy on the facebook page, this is about as calm, civil and thoughtful as you could ever hope for.

 

[31550]

The police decision to release information is at their whim.

I don't think it's a whim, but rather a strategy.
They could tell us everything or they could tell us nothing, but in this case it's neither.
They are releasing carefully chosen pieces of information in a very public and selective manner.
This surely must be part of some strategy, and not just random decisions being made.
So where are they going with this?

 

[mrskafoops]

Its been in the wacky Reddit chat. IDK but the daughters initial comments about her Mum staying strong or something or other gave me vibes that some other type of drama had been going on, IMO.

I thought the daughter said that her mum was a strong woman, and this was when she was only missing, not known as deceased, or that someone had hurt her. We all thought that she might have had an accident while out jogging.

 

[Percel]

I don't think it's a whim, but rather a strategy.
They could tell us everything or they could tell us nothing, but in this case it's neither.
They are releasing carefully chosen pieces of information in a very public and selective manner.
This surely must be part of some strategy, and not just random decisions being made.
So where are they going with this?

Great question, and apart from a slow burn, I’m wondering what their bent is.

I even go down the rabbit warren of who else are they trying to flush? Even though I’ve held a belief that it’s a solo event….

Drip feeding to a bloke in lock up is an interesting strategy if that’s the case. (And defo not a whim)

 

[Sqotty from office works]

The phone proves it was separated from the victim.
Proves intent.

 

[Run n Spread]

The phone proves it was separated from the victim.
Proves intent.

How does this prove intent? There are a million other explanations of how they could be separated? Unless there is usable records or data a phone on its own proves no intent

 

[mrskafoops]

Ok starting to think this is possible as it was a late model iPhone so likely decent waterproof rating. Phone was probably sitting in no more than 1 metre deep fresh water for ~ 3 months. Chances are they will more than likely be able to get data from the phone but it’s not like she was using Strava or any app with good geo capability. I’m just not sure they will find anything really helpful on the phone. Once the phone is switched off I just don’t think there is a lot that happens on a phone.

I am surprised that she wasn't on Strava. In any case, I have an iphone and watch and the fitness app would automatically kick in if it detected that I was doing an activity. My watch would vibrate on my wrist every 500m or so with a message saying "do you want to record an activity?" Perhaps she was using the fitness app as a tracker? Usually runners will use something to record their runs, especially if they are training for an event. Though I can't speak for all runners, so she may well have not used anything.

 

[mrskafoops]

Do any of these apps record audio?

I don't think so, but I am only familiar with 3, not all. I wonder if she took her phone to take photos or record videos? Some runners do that.

 

[mrskafoops]

I doubt it. But even if you are using something like Strava you still need to save it and download it at the end of your run. If you don’t save it then it won’t be downloaded and stored, but maybe the data is stored in the background.

So, I just tested my IPhone. I started Strava and then powered down while it was tracking a walk. I restarted my phone and couldn't access anything without entering my pin. Once I entered my pin I could go back into Strava and it had continued to record time while the phone was powered down, but no movement because I was sitting at that point, it had kept the walk open and just resumed it automatically. Interesting that the app continued to keep track of time while the phone was off! How did it do that?? You would think that if the phone was powered down that the app would reset and you would have to start a new activity.

 

[mrskafoops]

This is what it gave me. It took approx 4 minutes to start the activity, power down and restart and then choose to save activity.

 

[Underarrest_]

This is what it gave me. It took approx 4 minutes to start the activity, power down and restart and then choose to save activity.

Good work!

 

[Sqotty from office works]

How does this prove intent? There are a million other explanations of how they could be separated? Unless there is usable records or data a phone on its own proves no intent

It shows killer took phone from body and separately discarded it. Actively and thoughtfully

 

[Underarrest_]

It shows killer took phone from body and separately discarded it.

I see what you’re saying.
Could he have separated it though to put police on a different path?

 

[Run n Spread]

It shows killer took phone from body and separately discarded it. Actively and thoughtfully

Someone found the phone was going to hand it in. Found next day it could've been missing woman and panicked.
Offender accidently killed SM than panicked.
An accomplice ditched the phone
To.prove murder you need to.prove intent and Malice aforethought.
A.phone on its own.does.nothing.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Samantha's been missing for over 120 days, it's hard to believe that phone would be totally undamaged and in perfect working order if it's been submerged for four months.

Watch a bit of man vs river on YouTube, entirely possible.

 

[31550]

The phone proves it was separated from the victim.
Proves intent.

It doesn't prove intent.
It proves nothing unless police can connect the offender with the phone or the dam. If anything, finding the phone without finding Samantha opens up more possibilities, including one where the phone was disposed of by someone other than the killer.

 

[31550]

So, I just tested my IPhone. I started Strava and then powered down while it was tracking a walk. I restarted my phone and couldn't access anything without entering my pin. Once I entered my pin I could go back into Strava and it had continued to record time while the phone was powered down, but no movement because I was sitting at that point, it had kept the walk open and just resumed it automatically. Interesting that the app continued to keep track of time while the phone was off! How did it do that?? You would think that if the phone was powered down that the app would reset and you would have to start a new activity.

It would seem that once an activity is started, the app does not consider it to stop when it loses connectivity with the phone. It probably only stops the activity when you tell it to, or when it detects the device has been at rest for a specific period of time. When you restart the phone, the app just picks up the last activity and continues monitoring it. You can confirm that the app will have recorded no 'activity events' during the time the phone was switched off. It did not detect that you sat down.

 

[mrskafoops]

It would seem that once an activity is started, the app does not consider it to stop when it loses connectivity with the phone. It probably only stops the activity when you tell it to, or when it detects the device has been at rest for a specific period of time. When you restart the phone, the app just picks up the last activity and continues monitoring it. You can confirm that the app will have recorded no 'activity events' during the time the phone was switched off. It did not detect that you sat down.

It could explain how they found the phone though. The app started monitoring again when the phone was turned on and pinged. It would have given them the location the phone switched off maybe?

 

[31550]

It could explain how they found the phone though. The app started monitoring again when the phone was turned on and pinged. It would have given them the location the phone switched off maybe?

The phone being on causes the ping. Doesn't need any particular apps to be running, just the phone itself and anything that might use cellular data. The phone being switched off causes a cell disconnect event which is logged.

 

[mrskafoops]

The phone being on causes the ping. Doesn't need any particular apps to be running, just the phone itself and anything that might use cellular data. The phone being switched off causes a cell disconnect event which is logged.

Yes, what I meant was re the fitness app tracking. Could the phone have been turned on, the app resumed tracking, then it powered down when it was thrown in the dam. Could this have given them a specific location of the phone?