Name a Conservative Success Story

[kranky al]

I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but this may not be the best example. One can easily walk across the border and buy the iPhone in the country with lower VAT. For that reason, retailers in the higher VAT country have every incentive to cut into their profit margins to equalise the price between the countries.

They still have to be competitive in the marketplace - otherwise whats stopping corporations from blindly gougi…..


……Err looks at price of lamb at farm gate… looks at price of lamb in colesworths…

Errr Nevermind.

 

[QuietB]

Champ
I’ve posted what they did.
If YOU cannot understand that more money in workers hands, more jobs and a lower welfare spend is good for everyone then I cannot help you.

You posted unfounded opinions with zero evidence to back those opinions up and then complained that I did not provide evidence to disprove your baseless opinions.

And even in this post you cannot help yourself - "If YOU cannot understand that more money in workers hands.....is good for everyone" and yet "Mathias Corman said that low wage growth was a ‘deliberate design feature’ of the government’s approach to economic management".

More money in workers hands IS NOT a feature of any LNP policy I know. And this is proven by statements from one of their own senior ministers.

Try again champ

 

[kranky al]

I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but this may not be the best example. One can easily walk across the border and buy the iPhone in the country with lower VAT. For that reason, retailers in the higher VAT country have every incentive to cut into their profit margins to equalise the price between the countries.

Oh and France is next to Switzerland - big big difference in the price of everything there.

 

[kranky al]

Ahhh
So that explains why Grim Jim got rid of the LMITO

It’s all so clear now


Champ
I’ve posted what they did.
If YOU cannot understand that more money in workers hands, more jobs and a lower welfare spend is good for everyone then I cannot help you.

Then why did the standard of living in australia drop dramatically against other countries in Howard’s time, raise in the Rudd / Gillard government and then go back down under budgie smugglers etc

 

[kranky al]

Ahhh
So that explains why Grim Jim got rid of the LMITO

It’s all so clear now


Champ
I’ve posted what they did.
If YOU cannot understand that more money in workers hands, more jobs and a lower welfare spend is good for everyone then I cannot help you.

Heres Matthias cormann point blank saying that they deliberately aim for lower wages to workers a and that its a feature of their economics…

Now you were saying something about more money in workers hands….

Please do continue

 

[DaBarz]

Heres Matthias cormann point blank saying that they deliberately aim for lower wages to workers a and that its a feature of their economics…

Now you were saying something about more money in workers hands….

Please do continue

Hahahahaha
I have no idea how you misunderstood that.
He’s talking about lower wages growth / not lower “wages” and lower taxes that had helped to get unemployment below 5%.

Could you please quote for me where he advocates “lower wages”

 

[faible]

So that explains why Grim Jim got rid of the LMITO

Did I say that was a good idea?

a lower welfare spend is good for everyone

Explain why that is?

 

[DaBarz]

Did I say that was a good idea?



Explain why that is?

I’m not answering such stupid questions.
You’re ridiculous
One post you contradict yourself and the other leads me to believe you’re basically a communist.

 

[faible]

I’m not answering such stupid questions.
You’re ridiculous
One post you contradict yourself and the other leads me to believe you’re basically a communist.

I don't think you have the grasp of the topic you think you do, also pretty confident you don't know what communism is.

You're making statements, I'm asking you to explain, support or clarify them. Seemingly that's challenging. Almost like 'the LNP are good economic managers and the ALP are bad' isn't quite convincing.

 

[DaBarz]

I don't think you have the grasp of the topic you think you do, also pretty confident you don't know what communism is.

You're making statements, I'm asking you to explain, support or clarify them. Seemingly that's challenging. Almost like 'the LNP are good economic managers and the ALP are bad' isn't quite convincing.

Another nothing post.

 

[faible]

Another nothing post.

You're struggling to provide much in the way of conservative success stories or explain how they're good economic managers. It's a line that the Murdoch media in particular has spun over and again so it's understandable that people don't actually think about it, that the Liberals are good economic managers, but in reality it doesn't appear to stack up.

And no, Labor making some poor decisions along the way doesn't ipso facto make conservatives good. I will say however, conservatives are excellent at re-routing public money in to already wealthy private pockets. They can certainly manage an economy well if that is the outcome you're measuring.

 

[faible]

Quote me where he said he advocated “lower wages”.
Shouldn’t be hard.
You based your entire argument on it.

You're replying to the wrong person here.

But as a thought exercise, do you think a consequence of low wage growth is lower real wages?

If the costs of things are rising, but the wages aren't rising, or are rising at a slower rate than the costs of those things, what happens?

 

[DaBarz]

You're replying to the wrong person here.

But as a thought exercise, do you think a consequence of low wage growth is lower real wages?

If the costs of things are rising, but the wages aren't rising, or are rising at a slower rate than the costs of those things, what happens?

Apologies

He specified lower wages growth against in the “context of low inflation”

 

[kranky al]

Hahahahaha
I have no idea how you misunderstood that.
He’s talking about lower wages growth / not lower “wages” and lower taxes that had helped to get unemployment below 5%.

Could you please quote for me where he advocates “lower wages”

Lower wage growth is effectively lower wages. Inflation takes care of that.

I have no idea how you misunderstand that.


In 1973 my dad bought a run down 4br house in subiaco. He was studying at uni and working as a surveyors offsider when he wasn’t studying. Mum was a part time hairdresser. There was two kids. He was 23 mum was 22.

2023 - show me two people in those circumstances who can buy a house. You cant. Real wages have fallen massively compared to what they were. The same people in the same circumstances would struggle to make rent.

 

[Roby]

I don't think you have the grasp of the topic you think you do, also pretty confident you don't know what communism is.

You're making statements, I'm asking you to explain, support or clarify them. Seemingly that's challenging. Almost like 'the LNP are good economic managers and the ALP are bad' isn't quite convincing.

DaBarz throws the word communism like a a tree dropping leaves in autumn. He just needs to shed the shit out of his mouth.

 

[Roby]

Another nothing post.

Actually it's a very honest, articulate and succint post which gets straight to the point.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I'm not giving the answers champ - you are.

I asked the question "What - precisely - did the Liberals do to "fix the economy"?" and 4-5 times you have replied with "Just “I guess” and “sounds like”" and in each response "None of your answers have been backed up by any data or links".

"Try posting something other than what you “‘reckon “" champ

What - precisely - did the Liberals do to "fix the economy"?

Put the goose on Ignore. I did ages ago. Life's too short to get vexed over living embodiments of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

 

[Roby]

Put the goose on Ignore. I did ages ago. Life's too short to get vexed over living embodiments of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I think I might do the same, I've noticed Debarz doesn't offer anything of value on this board

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How does reducing tax income, fix the economy?

This is precisely the fairy tale the conservatives propagate - that you can "balance the budget" * and "reduce the debt" **, all the while cutting Treasury's tax take, the very inflow the government needs in order to balance the budget and reduce its debt.

* Never mind that there are very sound economic reasons in many circumstances for running budget deficits.

** Never mind that no capitalist economy can even function without borrowings.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Heres Matthias cormann point blank saying that they deliberately aim for lower wages to workers a and that its a feature of their economics…

Now you were saying something about more money in workers hands….

Please do continue

And even Mad Matthias has discovered a conscience now, and as head of the OECD, come out and criticised the obsession with using interest rates to lower inflation when he says it's clear the biggest driver of inflation in Oz is profit gouging from price fixing by several mega companies with huge market dominance.

 

[evolved2]

Yes it has, womens liberation has come leaps and bounds since the 50s in liberal democracies, probably not enough though.

I think you misunderstood my post.

I agree with you, but I don't agree that double income households becoming the norm has benefited women or men. All that extra money simply means we can afford to borrow more. Having one parent stay home while the kids are young shouldn't be a luxury.

 

[QuietB]

Put the goose on Ignore. I did ages ago. Life's too short to get vexed over living embodiments of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I think I might do the same, I've noticed Debarz doesn't offer anything of value on this board

He barracks for the Liberals. None (very few) of them offer anything of value.

I can cop if you are conservative minded and can make a coherent argument for the conservative side of politics. That is what a functioning democracy is meant to do - contest ideas.

DaBarz is completely incapable of this obviously.

But we still have to expose his and their lack of ideas. If everyone retreats into their respective silos democracy dies and that is precisely what is happening in the USA.

Australia’s default is complacency. Combine that with a completely inept/owned/captured media and the Liberals will be back soon enough.

Unless more and more people are prepared to engage with them and force them to defend and explain themselves.

DaBarz and others have been asked to list the achievements of their “team” and we are still stuck at guns, GST, Future Fund and maybe SSM.

They have not come up with anything else and cannot propose anything else.

It needs to be emphasised IMO.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I think you misunderstood my post.

I agree with you, but I don't agree that double income households becoming the norm has benefited women or men. All that extra money simply means we can afford to borrow more. Having one parent stay home while the kids are young shouldn't be a luxury.

Women are under less pressure these days to marry and have children. I would think that's somewhat liberating.

Progressive though... it's certainly not a conservative win in relation to conservative values.

 

[evolved2]

Old people. Old people. They changed the rules before I started work.
I hate supporting ******* grifting boomers

My employer is ready to agree to 12 weeks paternity leave. Is that a grift? I had to take annual leave for every day off when my kids were born.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

My employer is ready to agree to 12 weeks paternity leave. Is that a grift? I had to take annual leave for every day off when my kids were born.

Sounds more like a gift than a grift. But each to their own.