Name a Conservative Success Story

[DaBarz]

It's a good slogan, just not one based in reality.

Lol
Same as Labors “trillion dollars of debt”

Removing the carbon tax, fixing up the mining tax , school hall wastage and pink batts disasters don’t come cheap champ

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Lol
Same as Labors “trillion dollars of debt”

Removing the carbon tax, fixing up the mining tax , school hall wastage and pink batts disasters don’t come cheap champ

Ah, school hall wastage?

Assuming you support extravagant private school facilities at the same time?

 

[DaBarz]

Ah, school hall wastage?

Assuming you support extravagant private school facilities at the same time?

The school hall built at our local primary only just fits a basketball court.
Poorly designed and even more poorly built.

Only people that benefited were the contractors.

And where have I suggested that private schools source govt funds for their builds ?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The school hall built at our local primary only just fits a basketball court.
Poorly designed and even more poorly built.

Only people that benefited were the contractors.

And where have I suggested that private schools source govt funds for their builds ?

It’s most likely meant to be a school hall, not a basketball stadium.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Are you saying it’s not as big as the hall at St Privileges School for Bogan Princes?

 

[DaBarz]

It's a pretty simple concept...
Corporate tax not paid doesn't make shareholders liable for that unpaid tax, why should shareholders get a refund on tax paid by a corporation?

So the corporation pays tax and then the shareholder pays it as well ?

Here
This might help

 

[Number37]

I didn't say we did. What I said was, if Labor had tried to engage the population in a like manner after a similar tragedy, there are/were any number of opportunists - of which Howard was one - who would've gone to the NRA and asked for money to finance negative campaigns in Australia to see if they could obtain a foothold here.

And if it happened under Gillard/Rudd, there wouldn't be a shredder for the bill fast enough for Abbott's liking.

Neither did America before the culture shift in the NRA before the '70's.

... because it was someone from the Liberal party calling for it.

The Nats couldn't object due to the Coalition's policy of keeping their infighting as behind closed doors as they can; the Social Dems couldn't object because minority party; Labor didn't object because they ******* agreed and at the time believed in honorable opposition, whose job is to hold government to account when they get it wrong rather than when they get it right. It might also be worth noting that Kim Beazley was also trying to be Howard Lite in the leadup to 2001; bipartisanship was very much the word of the day until Children Overboard and Howard's wedge was found.

I think an underappreciated part of Howard's political genius was his ability to completely dominate the narrative within political discourse here. It's a method that Albo is supposedly trying to replicate with his media profile. The only reason Workchoices didn't stick - which is debatable, because Rudd/Gillard didn't change it a whole lot - is because someone more savvy with modern communication mediums came along and undercut him.

Nah. The policy might've been a joe the goose, but conservatives in this country turn those into rebound 50's. Give them the win and move on.

You give Howard far too much credit.
There was no genius to anything that he did. EVER.
Lowest common denominator rhetoric.
Couldn't have done any of it without the support of a very compliant media.

We simply do not have the mentality in this country of "I need a gun for XXYYY reasons", if the shoe was on the other foot Howard/LNP/Abbott/Dutton would have had to convince a heck of a lot of people that they needed a gun. We might be a racist country, but we are not gun-toting country.

 

[DaBarz]

It’s most likely meant to be a school hall, not a basketball stadium.

Lol
So only purpose built for assemblies
Thanks for proving my point

 

[Number37]

Do the corporation pays tax and then the shareholder pays it as well ?

Here
This might help
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I am asking you why it only works when there is a refund available.
Why doesn't it work when there is a tax to be paid?

Answer the question. If you can.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Lol
So only purpose built for assemblies
Thanks for proving my point

Basketball is what, the eighth most popular sport in Australia.

A skatepark would get more usage.

 

[DaBarz]

I am asking you why it only works when there is a refund available.
Why doesn't it work when there is a tax to be paid?

Answer the question. If you can.

What on earth are you on about ?
Makes no sense what you’re saying at all

Note where it says the “company has paid tax”
Can’t make it any simpler, fella.

 

[Number37]

What in earth are you on about ?
Makes no sense what you’re saying at all

So you're just parroting stuff in support of a policy that you don't even understand.
Shocked to be sitting here.

 

[DaBarz]

Basketball is what, the eighth most popular sport in Australia.

A skatepark would get more usage.

Most schools play basketball.
Can’t see skateboarding on here


So the 2 most popular sports are ideally suited to playing indoors.
Maybe Julia wasn’t a sporty girl.

 

[QuietB]

Dutton road tested the old cleaning up Labor's mess very early in the piece whan asked about what he'd do if returned to government and he hasn't used it since. Nobody is buying that crap.

They really are incapable of any new ideas. All they can muster is to run the same old tired lines over and over again. They are still quoting Thatcher ffs.

It is actually getting pathetic by the conservatives.

 

[DaBarz]

So you're just parroting stuff in support of a policy that you don't even understand.
Shocked to be sitting here.

I’m ask again
Frame your question in a way that makes sense and I’ll give it a crack.
I understand franking credits as I have shares where the company pays the tax.

What do you mean “ if there is tax to be paid?”

Paid by who ?
The company ?

I found the simplest definition for you but hey, keep digging.

 

[QuietB]

The only reason those laws are immovable is because it was a Liberal PM - their most beloved of the current ex PM crop - who did it.

Do you think for a moment it wouldn't have been Coalition policy to scrap and tear the s**t out of gun law in this country under Abbott/Morrison (and probably Turnbull to boot) if it had been a Hawke/Keating/Rudd/Gillard legacy?

I 100% agree that the Labor government could not have introduced Howard's gun laws.

Conservatives would not be able to resist the sugar hit such a culture war presents and would automatically oppose it.

 

[DaBarz]

I 100% agree that the Labor government could not have introduced Howard's gun laws.

Conservatives would not be able to resist the sugar hit such a culture war presents and would automatically oppose it.

Pretty sure the whole country was devastated with what happened at Port Arthur.
Bipartisanship would have held sway.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Most schools play basketball.
Can’t see skateboarding on here

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Skateboarding is not a team sport, so why are you looking for it on a list of team sports?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

It’s most likely meant to be a school hall, not a basketball stadium.

Could ve both, add in new equipment and the fact it can be used for badminton, table tennis, tennis, indoor cricket, indoor hockey, school photos, at my school there were gigs played there. Exams were done there

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Could ve both, add in new equipment and the fact it can be used for badminton, table tennis, tennis, indoor cricket, indoor hockey, school photos, at my school there were gigs played there. Exams were done there

Regardless, he said it fits a basketball court.

Yet he‘s still complaining.

It’s what conservatives do. Complain.

 

[Number37]

I’m ask again
Frame your question in a way that makes sense and I’ll give it a crack.
I understand franking credits as I have shares where the company pays the tax.

What do you mean “ if there is tax to be paid?”

Paid by who ?
The company ?

I found the simplest definition for you but hey, keep digging.

If I was asking you for a definition of franking credits I would have written "what's the definition of franking credits?".

Keep parroting.

 

[DaBarz]

Skateboarding is not a team sport, so why are you looking for it on a list of team sports?

Do you have children?
Most sport played at school and at that age are team sports.

 

[DaBarz]

Regardless, he said it fits a basketball court.

Yet he‘s still complaining.

It’s what conservatives do. Complain.

There’s less than a meter outside each sideline
It’s too dangerous for spectators and kids plough into the wall with regular monotony

 

[DaBarz]

If I was asking you for a definition of franking credits I would have written "what's the definition of franking credits?".

Keep parroting.

You’re question was “if there is tax to be paid”


What tax are you talking about ?

 

[DaBarz]

Could ve both, add in new equipment and the fact it can be used for badminton, table tennis, tennis, indoor cricket, indoor hockey, school photos, at my school there were gigs played there. Exams were done there

Exactly my point. Could have been great - instead it’s basically useless for inter school sport such as netball and basketball.

The one I’m talking about is only useful for PE lessons and assemblies.

IIRC the school hall programme was only primary schools.