He's a very good coach.
He should go and be a very good coach somewhere else.
He should go and be a very good coach somewhere else.
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Good luck with that, Haven’t seen her in 2 years
Sometimes things are really simple and we over-complicate it.
Since 3qt in the GF Bevo has been a very poor coach. He is approaching a decade at the club and needs to move on. That’s it.
So Geelong are in a prelim but squeaked in. I imagine Chris Scott and his team will go to work on a) what went wrong with the pies, b) what Melb and Bris did well/poorly, and c) how they’ll need to adjust depending on who comes through.
Are we confident that this would be the same for us? Would we do that due diligence and then actually act on it if it meant changing approach?
Tbf it’s a moot point because you need to finish top four for it to matter much and we won’t do that under this regime anyway.
Are we confident that this would be the same for us? Would we do that due diligence and then actually act on it if it meant changing approach?
Tbf it’s a moot point because you need to finish top four for it to matter much and we won’t do that under this regime anyway.
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Good thing we don’t care about top 4 lol,
We’ve won a final in 2 years!!!! under Bevo, Making finals is not a passmark when you get humiliated in week 1 and show you obviously had zero right to be there in the first place. We’ve been embarrassed in 3 elimination finals
2 years gents, that’s not good enough. Please go somewhere else and fool them into thinking you’re a good coach
We’ve won a final in 2 years!!!! under Bevo, Making finals is not a passmark when you get humiliated in week 1 and show you obviously had zero right to be there in the first place. We’ve been embarrassed in 3 elimination finals
2 years gents, that’s not good enough. Please go somewhere else and fool them into thinking you’re a good coach
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I was thinking about the early days of Bev’s reign and one particular game in 2015 I loved. Dogs v Collingwood in Docklands , it was close until 3/4 time but we pulled away in the last.
I was sitting near the boundary on level 1 and Shane Biggs and Joel Hamling were busting an absolute gut, running back and forward to attack and defend. Two players Bev hypnotised into believing they belonged at the top table ; two players willing to go flat out for the team.
The boys were so together in 15/16, everyone had each others backs.
Last year under COVID conditions we clearly thrived in that artificial bubble & there was that sense of togetherness again .
This year , not so much . Who does the but gusting two way running these days ? I see a lot of individuals out there, I don’t see a great team.
Someone on the other thread said that Gards covers more ground each game than anyone else. Maybe he’s the closest to the Biggs/Hamling successful transformation. But for the true believers , comparing Gardiner to the great man Biggsy causes us to wash our mouths with soap .
No amount of Bev magic can turn these VFL journeymen into premiership stars , that magic trick only worked once.
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I was sitting near the boundary on level 1 and Shane Biggs and Joel Hamling were busting an absolute gut, running back and forward to attack and defend. Two players Bev hypnotised into believing they belonged at the top table ; two players willing to go flat out for the team.
The boys were so together in 15/16, everyone had each others backs.
Last year under COVID conditions we clearly thrived in that artificial bubble & there was that sense of togetherness again .
This year , not so much . Who does the but gusting two way running these days ? I see a lot of individuals out there, I don’t see a great team.
Someone on the other thread said that Gards covers more ground each game than anyone else. Maybe he’s the closest to the Biggs/Hamling successful transformation. But for the true believers , comparing Gardiner to the great man Biggsy causes us to wash our mouths with soap .
No amount of Bev magic can turn these VFL journeymen into premiership stars , that magic trick only worked once.
Happy Father’s Day if you are a dad or to your fathers or their memory x
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Trying 110% daddy talk only works early days which got us a flag so props to Bevo for that.
However as humans, when u are forced to try 110% for years, you burnt out and turn non competitive which is what is happening to our team.
Our list is top 4 material imo but burn out and poor coaching is why we never finish top 4 and why we blew a massive lead against Freo.
As a coach, you gotta make the game easy for your players so its enjoyable for them.
He needs to take advantage of matchups where our team has an edge which is clearly the midfield and create a proper game plan around that and review mistakes like the granny last year.
What happened yesterday wasnt just random. Longmuir saw the midfield edge we had in that massive lead and made tweaks to replicate the same game plan they had at Marvel stadium earlier this year and Bevo didnt have the skill to counter those changes. Busting a gut woulda worked early in his tenure but not now.
If he continues with what we saw last night, players are gonna leave or be demotivated and just play for a paycheck. He needs to make the game fun for our players again.
Also Happy Fathers Day to all the daddies out there
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If that's right, and youo spotted it, you are a genuine student of the game. What tweaks did Longmuir make ?Tr... Longmuir saw the midfield edge we had in that massive lead and made tweaks to replicate the same game plan they had at Marvel stadium earlier this year a...
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In the Marvel stadium game, Freo's edge was the Lobb/Taberner combo against Darcy/Cordy. Since its a dry deck, they would purposely hold the ball in their defence since the forwards we named in Bruce/U-Hagan/Weightman/Vandermeer apply poor forward pressure.
Then when they found a midfield matchup that was in their favour they would go through that avenue then quickly go long to Lobb/Taberner for 1 v 1s.
In last nights game the scenario was a bit different. Bont/Dunkley/Smith initial onball combo was absolutely destroying Freo's Serong/Brodie/Brayshaw and since it was the start of the game, our wingers in R.Smith and Mclean were able to hold our defensive shape without fatiguing.
This is why our mids racked up the ball like crazy and we were able to go inside 50 without much pressure allowing us to score by picking out leads on the turnover.
Longmuir would have known that to replicate what happened at Marvel, they just needed their defenders to hold onto the ball instead of giving it back to us so quickly. The only way Bevo could have countered this is to provide sufficient forward pressure on their defenders but with Vandermeer/Johannisen/Weightman/U-Hagan, its not possible. Look at Ryan/Young/Chapman's possessions after half time. They were through the roof.
Then they were picking out Serong or Brayshaw when they found a mismatch through the middle and using their leg speed to break a line and hit their forwards on the lead which is how they were able to peg us back slowly without any resistance.
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I dips me lid. I don't know whether you are right or not but I absolutely agree with you about the lack of forward pressure by the 4 you named although I query Weightman, ordinarily an aggressive chaser and tackler (no tackles last night, I don't know about chasing, that's the trouble with watching games on TV). Why aren't you in the Coaches' Box ?
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I agree with you. Maybe there was something wrong with Weightman which is why he started on the bench instead of Johannisen.
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I was wondering what Gordon is thinking and what would he do if he were still there?
Happy Dad's day to all the pet dads too.
Happy Dad's day to all the pet dads too.
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I didn't pick that up. You're a forward scout, aren't you. .
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For those commenting (negatively) on Bevo’s use of narratives.
I’m reading Dean/Danielle Laidley’s autobiography and the football side of it, which two thirds of it is mainly about, provides very interesting insights into clubs and coaches. He includes this (direct quote) about Denis Pagan:
“Coaches come up with stories not just when they want to inspire but when they want your attention. People follow narratives. It’s the one weapon a storyteller possesses: every human needs to know what happens next. Denis tells us a story at the start of 1996. It’s about… (a theme)
He’s a good coach in this way. He reads and watches documentaries and borrows material wherever he can.”
Do other modern-day coaches still do this? Maybe. Surely they do. If so I don’t know why Bevo gets singled out and made to look quirky.
I’m reading Dean/Danielle Laidley’s autobiography and the football side of it, which two thirds of it is mainly about, provides very interesting insights into clubs and coaches. He includes this (direct quote) about Denis Pagan:
“Coaches come up with stories not just when they want to inspire but when they want your attention. People follow narratives. It’s the one weapon a storyteller possesses: every human needs to know what happens next. Denis tells us a story at the start of 1996. It’s about… (a theme)
He’s a good coach in this way. He reads and watches documentaries and borrows material wherever he can.”
Do other modern-day coaches still do this? Maybe. Surely they do. If so I don’t know why Bevo gets singled out and made to look quirky.
I think he gets singled out because the Salty Dog story got out in 2016. Any time we’ve got in a run since commentators have speculated about what Bevo’s new yarn is.
They all use them. Macrae uses them at Collingwood, Goodwin uses them at Melbourne anyone that thinks they don't all use themes is kidding themselves.
It’s good some sort of review is happening, but I think any decent club will do that regardless. What I hate is clubs publicising it to appease frothing masses.
This year was a bit of a dud but there are ten clubs who should be more pissed than us. I always look at a coach as their body of work rather than a given year. Goodwin wasn’t a terrible coach in 19-20, Buckley wasn’t terrible in 2017 and Hardwick wasn’t terrible in 2016.
All made some changes and took their clubs forward. All looked a reasonable chance to be sacked, and in each case it would have been the wrong call. Hardwick didn’t even win a final until his eighth season.
We don’t know 90% of what goes on behind the scenes. Strongly suspect Bevo is still our guy. Could be he’s losing the plot, or his assistants are crap, or there are issues in the playing group, or our medical staff suck, or the players just need a full preseason, or some combination of the above. Or none of it.
People talk on here like there are absolutes but we’re all mostly relying on observation from the outside and rumours from nuffies and journos (and there is clearly overlap between the two). It’s fair to be disappointed, but the worst thing we could do is have a knee jerk response because supporters are peeved.
This year was a bit of a dud but there are ten clubs who should be more pissed than us. I always look at a coach as their body of work rather than a given year. Goodwin wasn’t a terrible coach in 19-20, Buckley wasn’t terrible in 2017 and Hardwick wasn’t terrible in 2016.
All made some changes and took their clubs forward. All looked a reasonable chance to be sacked, and in each case it would have been the wrong call. Hardwick didn’t even win a final until his eighth season.
We don’t know 90% of what goes on behind the scenes. Strongly suspect Bevo is still our guy. Could be he’s losing the plot, or his assistants are crap, or there are issues in the playing group, or our medical staff suck, or the players just need a full preseason, or some combination of the above. Or none of it.
People talk on here like there are absolutes but we’re all mostly relying on observation from the outside and rumours from nuffies and journos (and there is clearly overlap between the two). It’s fair to be disappointed, but the worst thing we could do is have a knee jerk response because supporters are peeved.
Good summation. This belief that Bevo is the only issue is laughable, Is he apart of the problem for sure but realistically we have issues in our lack of quality assistant coaches, lack on field leadership, have a vastly overrated and unbalanced list and have a poor CEO that makes poor decisions. Hopefully the review is clubwide and we can get the club back on track. I don't think we are far off at all but in reality if you look on the weekend all our key forwards were 22 or younger and our 3 key defenders wouldn't get a game in any of the sides left in the finals series.
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Of course, but looking at it from a distance it seems that Bev uses a narrative to create unity within the group, and when the players stop listening to and\or believing in the narrative then it's time to go.
Bev himself said that coaches have around five years before players stop listening & a fresh voice is required.
I don't know if he uses storytelling more or less than other coaches . I remember when Roughead jumped ship to the Pies he made a slightly derogatory comment along the lines of being fed up with Bev's tales. That's a small sample size. Who knows.
After the 17 point loss to Fremantle in Rnd 21 Chris Grant gave Bevo a massive spray. The good thing is that Bevo took it all on board. I don't think there is any doubt that there will be significant change at the club next year.
