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If Port is seriously contemplating trading out their vice-captain in Butters, hell will break loose.

I’m hoping Bergman stays but considering how awful we’re playing and the lure of home, he will definitely consider it. This makes me think, are Port better getting draft picks or getting NWM if he wants to return home? It’s just a shame if Bergman chooses to leave since he appears to have elevated his game more and started to use his run off back and get more of the ball compared to previous seasons.
 
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PortAdelFC1997 said:
If Port is seriously contemplating trading out their vice-captain in Butters, hell will break loose.

I’m hoping Bergman stays but considering how awful we’re playing and the lure of home, he will definitely consider it. This makes me think, are Port better getting draft picks or getting NWM if he wants to return home? It’s just a shame if Bergman chooses to leave since he appears to have elevated his game more and started to use his run off back and get more of the ball compared to previous seasons.
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I think port would give butters a 10 deal if he wanted it. It’s really up to him if he wants to stay
 

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I've taken another look at the list and I believe I have mentioned it before and this list is in no man's land and does not fulfil me with any excitement or expectations. This current list is good enough to make it in the top 8 but we're miles off challenging the other top 4 teams and winning it when it matters; we have no issue beating top 4 sides in the H&A season but can't seem to win against them in finals. Having said that, Port could do a hawthorn and get their s*** together and actually show signs of development and all of a sudden our depth will increase as unlikely as that maybe, you could never write it off.

However out of 44 players on the list right now, I would say there are at quite a few players I have put a line across.
  • Jed McEntee: No AFL traits. List clogger.
  • Hugh Jackson: Four years on the list. If he cannot debut at all this year, he is wasting a spot. Injuries have hampered him but at the same time, you can't keep a player who is constantly injured.
  • Jeremy Finlayson: Has the skills and talent to succeed but his body language and work-rate is piss poor.
  • Dylan Williams: Has the skills but if you have been on the list for 6 seasons and still cannot improve your leg speed and become a mainstay in the 22, you are gone.
  • Lachlan Charleson: Nothing stands out for him. Does not get involved enough nor does he kick enough goals.
  • Tom Anastasopoulos: Nothing stands out for him. Does not get involved enough nor does he kick enough goals.
  • Ivan Soldo: Wanted to leave after one season and getting overtaken by Jordan Sweet. Trade him out while he has some value left however little there is. Another list spot wasted.
  • Rory Atkins: Enough has been said about this guy. Nothing more needs to be said about him.
  • Jackson Mead: Extremely vanilla, does not possess anything that stands out. He is a solid blue collar player who isn't big enough to become a big-bodied midfielder, isn't fast enough to become an outside player. Has limited ceiling.
  • Travis Boak: This surely is his last season. While he has been solid, he is taking up spot in the main 22 and we need to blood as many youths to see if they can make in the AFL. I wonder if his inclusion says more about Port's lack of depth or are we playing him because of his reputation or both?
 
PortAdelFC1997 said:
I've taken another look at the list and I believe I have mentioned it before and this list is in no man's land and does not fulfil me with any excitement or expectations. This current list is good enough to make it in the top 8 but we're miles off challenging the other top 4 teams and winning it when it matters; we have no issue beating top 4 sides in the H&A season but can't seem to win against them in finals. Having said that, Port could do a hawthorn and get their s*** together and actually show signs of development and all of a sudden our depth will increase as unlikely as that maybe, you could never write it off.

However out of 44 players on the list right now, I would say there are at quite a few players I have put a line across.
  • Jed McEntee: No AFL traits. List clogger.
  • Hugh Jackson: Four years on the list. If he cannot debut at all this year, he is wasting a spot. Injuries have hampered him but at the same time, you can't keep a player who is constantly injured.
  • Jeremy Finlayson: Has the skills and talent to succeed but his body language and work-rate is piss poor.
  • Dylan Williams: Has the skills but if you have been on the list for 6 seasons and still cannot improve your leg speed and become a mainstay in the 22, you are gone.
  • Lachlan Charleson: Nothing stands out for him. Does not get involved enough nor does he kick enough goals.
  • Tom Anastasopoulos: Nothing stands out for him. Does not get involved enough nor does he kick enough goals.
  • Ivan Soldo: Wanted to leave after one season and getting overtaken by Jordan Sweet. Trade him out while he has some value left however little there is. Another list spot wasted.
  • Rory Atkins: Enough has been said about this guy. Nothing more needs to be said about him.
  • Jackson Mead: Extremely vanilla, does not possess anything that stands out. He is a solid blue collar player who isn't big enough to become a big-bodied midfielder, isn't fast enough to become an outside player. Has limited ceiling.
  • Travis Boak: This surely is his last season. While he has been solid, he is taking up spot in the main 22 and we need to blood as many youths to see if they can make in the AFL. I wonder if his inclusion says more about Port's lack of depth or are we playing him because of his reputation or both?
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Rough to be talking delistings already but yes those are the names.

Charleson and Ana get the year to show something. Jackson too, although I suspect he’s well behind our other mid options.

Harsh on Mead - think he is showing enough to be retained.

Boak still offers enough and it’s his choice at this stage.

Soldo likely won’t get picked up by anyone so suspect he sees his contract out as depth only.

A decision one way or the other will be made on Lord, either he takes his chance (hopefully) or he seeks a trade.

Marshall may also decide or have it decided for him re concussions.


We have a second and third rounder coming in. Maybe some late FSs. Not a great time to cut hard.
 
Watch Notice
  • Todd Marshall: Concussions and injuries has stagnated his development. Three years worth including this year of progress halted. At the end of '22, Todd kicked 45 goals and looked set to become one of the premium tall forwards with his sharpshooting and footy IQ. Concussion and hip injuries in '23, more concussions in '24 and an Achilles injury in '25 has greatly impacted his development. He is about a concussion or two away from being forced into retirement.
  • Ryan Burton: Has been a soft and disinterested player for a few years now. He had so much promise when he first came to Port and actually defended well and his ball use was decent. Now he is a former shadow of himself and does not get involved in the contest enough. Would be great if he played like he gives a damn.
  • Ollie Wines: Has been very frustrating to watch because he is handball happy which results in causing so much pressure and his kicking has always been average. He is also not the fastest and this game is becoming more speed-based. I would look to move him on if another club is interested.
  • Miles Bergman: Did not expect to be talking about him at this stage. I intended to wait until the middle of the season before discussing about his future but with constant talk about heading home to the Saints at season's end and our team not being good enough to challenge and win against the top 4 teams, I would not be surprised if he requests a trade back to Vic. It's just a shame that he looks to have progressed further with his development and could be heading home. Has to be a top-10 pick minimum or NWM. Yes, he is OOC, but in this day and age, player agents has a lot of leverage for clubs to negotiate in good faith; look at the Houston situation and player agents could "threaten" clubs into doing a deal or risk not being able to do future deals. This could either work for us or against us. It's a watch this space.
  • Zak Butters: Another player I did not intend on discussing this early but with so many people constantly speculating his future, I guess I have to mention him. He is contracted until 2026 and Port would be stupid not to have enough in the cap to match any offers pending his way. Only 25 and is about to hit his prime. Would command three 1st rounders easily. I would however not entertain any trade scenarios with him and give him a deal he cannot refuse.
  • Ollie Lord: Barring injuries, if Lord cannot cement a spot in the 22 especially now that both Luko and Marshall are out for the foreseeable future and cannot impact games, trade him out while he still has some value left. Lord is 23 now and has to start firing.
  • Lachie Jones: The gap between his best and worst is too much. At his best, he can compete and use his physicality and explosiveness but at his worst, he is a huge liability and has yet to improve his ball handling skills five seasons in. He needs to start showing.

Re-signing
  • Kane Farrell: Expected to sign a 5 year deal soon. Yes, he can be frustrating to watch with his defensive efforts but he is our best distributor of the ball down back.
  • Jase Burgoyne: Has come on leaps and bounds. He is able to play on the wing and down half-back. Would expect him to sign either a two year or four year deal. No way Port will trade him.
  • Logan Evans: A two year deal is expected for the kid. Has shown real promise since being drafted from the MSD. Has had an average start to 2025 but he is still only 19, so he has plenty of growth left.
  • Josh Sinn: Three games in but he has shown quite a bit with being defensively accountable, his run and dash and ball use. Finally is starting to show his talents after three injury plagued seasons. A two year deal barring injuries of course.
  • Tom Cochrane: 7 goals in two SANFL trial matches and just debuted as the sub. Has been a surprise with his physicality and has shown promise. I expect Port to resign him on a one or two year deal.
  • Jacob Moss: I will admit, I don't know much about the guy but he has height and is a Cat B rookie, so it won't cost much. Shouldn't expect Port to just delist him after one season unless he is so bad that he is taking up a spot.
  • Josh Lai: Expect Port to resign him since they went through all the trouble of bringing him over here and raving about his attributes. Has all the traits you want; speed, ball use, build etc.
  • Brandon Zerk-Thatcher: According to footywire, he is OOC and he has been a solid recruit and works well with Aliir Aliir. One year deal.
  • Will Lorenz: Has shown enough to warrant a one year extension. Played a few games last season as sub which means Port has seen enough where he could potentially make it. Can he play as an inside mid? With Wines not getting any younger, we gonna need another mid to step up. He is a left footer and left footers are generally good ball users by default right?
  • Christian Moraes: Look to immediately sign him for another two years. Looks to be a bargain recruit and aside from his "unique" kicking technique, love how he goes about his business and looks to be very happy at Port. According to Rookie Me Central, he needed to improve his defensive running but that doesn't seem to be an issue so far. I wonder if that says a lot about our mid's defensive running capabilities at the moment though?:tearsofjoy:

Trade Targets
  • Leek Aleer: OOC this year and is a SA boy, with opportunities drying up at GWS and Cal Twomey stating he is gone, he is the perfect replacement for Aliir Aliir who is not getting any younger. I would expect Giants to demand a late 1st rounder to early 2nd rounder as a starting point though. Other clubs would be interested in him though. We can however, guarantee he will play AFL footy in our side. A tall defender which we need desperately and the age profile matches what we need.
  • Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera: Now according to Cal, he hasn't indicated he wants to go home and could very well resign with the Saints. However, if he decides he wants to head home, Port would most likely be his club of choice and is close with JHF and Jase. In saying that, Adelaide has offered an eight year contract and with sigh playing good footy, he could be enticed to join them instead. IMO, I'm not as keen for him as the others here because how many half-backs do we need? We already got Logan Evans, Josh Sinn and Kane Farrell and you can also include Ryan Burton to the mix. Unless Port plans on using NWM in the guts, I wouldn't want to give up more draft picks to get him even if his talents and skills surpass our current half-backs since we have more pressing matters that needs addressing. If Bergman wants to join the Saints and we want NWM, I can live with that, but preferably I would want draft picks instead for Bergman if he decides to leave.
I don't know much about players from other clubs that we could be interested in and make an impact but I do think Port would be interested in these two.
 
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Ford Fairlane said:
He was terrible. I wasn't expecting much of him as a key forward and still I was disappointed. Even when he went in the ruck he did nothing.
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Can we start telling jokes about his girlfiend again Ford

“The only thing worse than soldos games was his girlfriends inflated lips”

Innit
 
PortAdelFC1997 said:
I've taken another look at the list and I believe I have mentioned it before and this list is in no man's land and does not fulfil me with any excitement or expectations. This current list is good enough to make it in the top 8 but we're miles off challenging the other top 4 teams and winning it when it matters; we have no issue beating top 4 sides in the H&A season but can't seem to win against them in finals. Having said that, Port could do a hawthorn and get their s*** together and actually show signs of development and all of a sudden our depth will increase as unlikely as that maybe, you could never write it off.

However out of 44 players on the list right now, I would say there are at quite a few players I have put a line across.
  • Jed McEntee: No AFL traits. List clogger.
  • Hugh Jackson: Four years on the list. If he cannot debut at all this year, he is wasting a spot. Injuries have hampered him but at the same time, you can't keep a player who is constantly injured.
  • Jeremy Finlayson: Has the skills and talent to succeed but his body language and work-rate is piss poor.
  • Dylan Williams: Has the skills but if you have been on the list for 6 seasons and still cannot improve your leg speed and become a mainstay in the 22, you are gone.
  • Lachlan Charleson: Nothing stands out for him. Does not get involved enough nor does he kick enough goals.
  • Tom Anastasopoulos: Nothing stands out for him. Does not get involved enough nor does he kick enough goals.
  • Ivan Soldo: Wanted to leave after one season and getting overtaken by Jordan Sweet. Trade him out while he has some value left however little there is. Another list spot wasted.
  • Rory Atkins: Enough has been said about this guy. Nothing more needs to be said about him.
  • Jackson Mead: Extremely vanilla, does not possess anything that stands out. He is a solid blue collar player who isn't big enough to become a big-bodied midfielder, isn't fast enough to become an outside player. Has limited ceiling.
  • Travis Boak: This surely is his last season. While he has been solid, he is taking up spot in the main 22 and we need to blood as many youths to see if they can make in the AFL. I wonder if his inclusion says more about Port's lack of depth or are we playing him because of his reputation or both?
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Don’t disagree with any of that
 
Josh will have to take a serious look at:

Ivan Soldo - looks slow and would rather be elsewhere
Jed McEntee - a fair whack of guys have leapfrogged him
Rory Atkins - play out the contract and see what happens

Travis Boak - will go with Hinkley and hopefully the last of the loser aesthetic of the club
Todd Marshall - massive contract and concussion problems, dunno what we can do
Ryan Burton - struggles to defend, slowing up and unaccountable
Dylan Williams - too slow for the modern game

Lachie Charleson - guys have leapfrogged him. I don't really know his SANFL form.
Tom Anastasopoulos - guys have leapfrogged him. I don't really know his SANFL form.
Hugh Jackson - I like him but its been a while. I don't really know his SANFL form.

Jeremy Finlayson - I think its time to cut the cord

Our needs are:

tough CHF, 2nd ruck - don't have a good one. They are hard to find.
hard, inside midfielder with outside game - Wines replacement
CHB - Aliir replacement

lesser need - 3rd tall if Bergman leaves
 
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I think we’ve brought in a good group of young players in the last intake who can play some high ceiling footy for us in the longterm which is a welcome relief: Berry, Moraes, Cochrane, and probably Whitlock and Lai.

I do worry about our midfield though which I think underperforms across the group in the biggest of occasions against more hardened, determined sides. We need more maturity there and a player who has leadership and composure. Maybe we get that as JHF gets more experienced but at the moment I think our midfield is letting us down more than other parts of the ground.

But overall any changes to list management will do nothing if we don’t change our culture to being one that accepts excellence and nothing less. One that embraces expectation. One that gets rid of mediocrity and unreliable performers. That starts with the chairman, CEO, footy manager and new coach.
 
PortAdelFC1997 said:
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera: ... IMO, I'm not as keen for him as the others here because how many half-backs do we need? We already got Logan Evans, Josh Sinn and Kane Farrell and you can also include Ryan Burton to the mix.
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This take absolutely baffles me and is a holdover from people who just say the same things about the list that they were saying ten years ago without giving it any new thought. Post Houston I'd confidently say that we have a bottom 4 collection of half backs in the league.

Farrell is the only decent one, but he's just decent, he wouldn't ever sniff a B&F or an AA side. Burton is soft and has barely played a good game in three years. Lachie Jones is an injury prone turnover and fumble merchant. Sinn has taken four seasons to finally start showing anything. Logan Evans would struggle to get a game at any other team in the league in current form. Compare Farrell, Burton, Jones, Sinn, Evans to something like Houston, J. Daicos, Maynard, Perryman and Quaynor and we're absolutely embarrassing ourselves.

Half back is a huge need for us and NWM should be our #1 target this offseason.
 
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PortAdelFC1997 said:
Watch Notice
  • Todd Marshall: Concussions and injuries has stagnated his development. Three years worth including this year of progress halted. At the end of '22, Todd kicked 45 goals and looked set to become one of the premium tall forwards with his sharpshooting and footy IQ. Concussion and hip injuries in '23, more concussions in '24 and an Achilles injury in '25 has greatly impacted his development. He is about a concussion or two away from being forced into retirement.
  • Ryan Burton: Has been a soft and disinterested player for a few years now. He had so much promise when he first came to Port and actually defended well and his ball use was decent. Now he is a former shadow of himself and does not get involved in the contest enough. Would be great if he played like he gives a damn.
  • Ollie Wines: Has been very frustrating to watch because he is handball happy which results in causing so much pressure and his kicking has always been average. He is also not the fastest and this game is becoming more speed-based. I would look to move him on if another club is interested.
  • Miles Bergman: Did not expect to be talking about him at this stage. I intended to wait until the middle of the season before discussing about his future but with constant talk about heading home to the Saints at season's end and our team not being good enough to challenge and win against the top 4 teams, I would not be surprised if he requests a trade back to Vic. It's just a shame that he looks to have progressed further with his development and could be heading home. Has to be a top-10 pick minimum or NWM. Yes, he is OOC, but in this day and age, player agents has a lot of leverage for clubs to negotiate in good faith; look at the Houston situation and player agents could "threaten" clubs into doing a deal or risk not being able to do future deals. This could either work for us or against us. It's a watch this space.
  • Zak Butters: Another player I did not intend on discussing this early but with so many people constantly speculating his future, I guess I have to mention him. He is contracted until 2026 and Port would be stupid not to have enough in the cap to match any offers pending his way. Only 25 and is about to hit his prime. Would command three 1st rounders easily. I would however not entertain any trade scenarios with him and give him a deal he cannot refuse.
  • Ollie Lord: Barring injuries, if Lord cannot cement a spot in the 22 especially now that both Luko and Marshall are out for the foreseeable future and cannot impact games, trade him out while he still has some value left. Lord is 23 now and has to start firing.
  • Lachie Jones: The gap between his best and worst is too much. At his best, he can compete and use his physicality and explosiveness but at his worst, he is a huge liability and has yet to improve his ball handling skills five seasons in. He needs to start showing.

Re-signing
  • Kane Farrell: Expected to sign a 5 year deal soon. Yes, he can be frustrating to watch with his defensive efforts but he is our best distributor of the ball down back.
  • Jase Burgoyne: Has come on leaps and bounds. He is able to play on the wing and down half-back. Would expect him to sign either a two year or four year deal. No way Port will trade him.
  • Logan Evans: A two year deal is expected for the kid. Has shown real promise since being drafted from the MSD. Has had an average start to 2025 but he is still only 19, so he has plenty of growth left.
  • Josh Sinn: Three games in but he has shown quite a bit with being defensively accountable, his run and dash and ball use. Finally is starting to show his talents after three injury plagued seasons. A two year deal barring injuries of course.
  • Tom Cochrane: 7 goals in two SANFL trial matches and just debuted as the sub. Has been a surprise with his physicality and has shown promise. I expect Port to resign him on a one or two year deal.
  • Jacob Moss: I will admit, I don't know much about the guy but he has height and is a Cat B rookie, so it won't cost much. Shouldn't expect Port to just delist him after one season unless he is so bad that he is taking up a spot.
  • Josh Lai: Expect Port to resign him since they went through all the trouble of bringing him over here and raving about his attributes. Has all the traits you want; speed, ball use, build etc.
  • Brandon Zerk-Thatcher: According to footywire, he is OOC and he has been a solid recruit and works well with Aliir Aliir. One year deal.
  • Will Lorenz: Has shown enough to warrant a one year extension. Played a few games last season as sub which means Port has seen enough where he could potentially make it. Can he play as an inside mid? With Wines not getting any younger, we gonna need another mid to step up. He is a left footer and left footers are generally good ball users by default right?
  • Christian Moraes: Look to immediately sign him for another two years. Looks to be a bargain recruit and aside from his "unique" kicking technique, love how he goes about his business and looks to be very happy at Port. According to Rookie Me Central, he needed to improve his defensive running but that doesn't seem to be an issue so far. I wonder if that says a lot about our mid's defensive running capabilities at the moment though?:tearsofjoy:

Trade Targets
  • Leek Aleer: OOC this year and is a SA boy, with opportunities drying up at GWS and Cal Twomey stating he is gone, he is the perfect replacement for Aliir Aliir who is not getting any younger. I would expect Giants to demand a late 1st rounder to early 2nd rounder as a starting point though. Other clubs would be interested in him though. We can however, guarantee he will play AFL footy in our side. A tall defender which we need desperately and the age profile matches what we need.
  • Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera: Now according to Cal, he hasn't indicated he wants to go home and could very well resign with the Saints. However, if he decides he wants to head home, Port would most likely be his club of choice and is close with JHF and Jase. In saying that, Adelaide has offered an eight year contract and with sigh playing good footy, he could be enticed to join them instead. IMO, I'm not as keen for him as the others here because how many half-backs do we need? We already got Logan Evans, Josh Sinn and Kane Farrell and you can also include Ryan Burton to the mix. Unless Port plans on using NWM in the guts, I wouldn't want to give up more draft picks to get him even if his talents and skills surpass our current half-backs since we have more pressing matters that needs addressing. If Bergman wants to join the Saints and we want NWM, I can live with that, but preferably I would want draft picks instead for Bergman if he decides to leave.
I don't know much about players from other clubs that we could be interested in and make an impact but I do think Port would be interested in these two.
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Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera - Saints want a first & second round pick and as we have traded out for magic beans we would have to trade away Bergman and Lord.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
Josh will have to take a serious look at:

Ivan Soldo - looks slow and would rather be elsewhere
Jed McEntee - a fair whack of guys have leapfrogged him
Rory Atkins - play out the contract and see what happens

Travis Boak - will go with Hinkley and hopefully the last of the loser aesthetic of the club
Todd Marshall - massive contract and concussion problems, dunno what we can do
Ryan Burton - struggles to defend, slowing up and unaccountable
Dylan Williams - too slow for the modern game

Lachie Charleson - guys have leapfrogged him. I don't really know his SANFL form.
Tom Anastasopoulos - guys have leapfrogged him. I don't really know his SANFL form.
Hugh Jackson - I like him but its been a while. I don't really know his SANFL form.

Jeremy Finlayson - I think its time to cut the cord

Our needs are:

tough CHF, 2nd ruck - don't have a good one. They are hard to find.
hard, inside midfielder with outside game - Wines replacement
CHB - Aliir replacement

lesser need - 3rd tall if Bergman leaves
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You have listed 10 that need the chop and that’s about what we should be doing.
Anyone who thinks a change of coach will make a difference is dreaming.
The list should have been turned over a long time ago instead of waiting till Tassie is about to come in.
Shocking list management.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
I like how the Hawks operate.

The idea identify weaknesses in their 23 and target veterans with very specific talents.

We kinda pick up whoever is left off the heap.
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For the last 6+ years, our approach has always been to address holes in our list after they have become obvious for at least a year, usually by over-capitalising with more than one drafted and traded player for that position and in the process allowing other deficiencies to open up in another part of the ground.

We did it with rucks, key defenders, small forwards. We’ve rarely taken a pro-active balanced approach to recruiting where we effectively replenish stocks across the field in advance of them becoming found out.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
I like how the Hawks operate.

The idea identify weaknesses in their 23 and target veterans with very specific talents.

We kinda pick up whoever is left off the heap.
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They did target Esava.

They picked up Frost and Chol who, admittedly have been ok at the Hawks, aren’t world beaters and Mabior was booted twice by a premiership coach.

Meek couldn’t get a game at Freo.

Amon and Impey were solid, ok players. Reaching their prime age at the Hawks.

They’ve gotten lucky but are also very good at extracting what they can out of players.
 

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