List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

[Imhotep]

We have a prime opportunity to develop a really good KPD in Walsh let's see if Carr has a different philosophy to Ken, or we spend another decade bringing in b graders from other clubs.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I don’t disagree with the concept but do think there are some nuance here.

Alipate was running around until 2016. Jonas and Clurey were both developing during the 2013-2016 period. Howard started getting games in 2016. You can only develop so many players at once.

There is a balance between developing players and playing developed players. Leek Aleer may be a better defender at career’s end than Idun, Buckley or Keefe, but right now those players are better and GWS are pushing for a flag. In 2015/16, how would Clurey, Carlile or Jonas have taken sitting out games to give Austin a go? How would Esava or BZT take it if we decided to develop Walsh instead of giving him a run? I’m not saying you need to never drop players or not be tough. Macrae, Daniel, Parker etc all left their clubs because other players were prioritised. So there is need for balance.

Equally players still develop for a long time, it’s not unreasonable to suggest Jonas and Clurey were still developing well after reaching 100 games, or that BZT and Sav are still developing now. Should we cut short BZT’s development to try and develop Walsh?

Also an extra 10-20 games into Hayes and Pasini, as much as I was calling for it, wouldn’t have changed our need to get BZT, Sav, etc.

If KPD drafting and development was so easy, why were Sydney, Essendon, Hawthorn, Adelaide, North, Collingwood - all looking for key backs at the last trade period?

As to the devaluing of players:

• Hayes didn’t get a train on gig at any clubs. Lots of clubs needed a ruck. He was a SANFL b n f winner and had afl games to his name. They could have had him for free but no interest. Meanwhile guys like Ryan and Fullarton were traded, despite no AFL games and poorer form. Hayes just wasn’t that good and an extra 10 AFL games wouldn’t have changed that.
• Pasini was a rookie with a knee and shoulder reconstruction. No interest was appropriate.
• Austin, Impey both netted us about what we selected them for. Howard was better. Houston - let’s not talk about that.

I don't think we need to stall the development of our existing plauers, we just need to put players in when they're next on the depth chart.

The fact that we don't even have someone on the depth chart suitable to come in despite injury issues at KPD is just more evidence that we don't care about it. And this certainly isn't the first time we've picked a player l undersized or out of position to cover a hole in a KPP or ruck position. We could play Walsh right now, but he's 19.

Should we have left Clurey out to play Austin more? Maybe not, but that was almost a decade ago. We've absolutely had opportunities to blood KPDs in the time since and we haven't done it. Hell, we're effectively playing Bergman as a KPD despite his wish to play up the ground and the rumours that he wants to go.

Hayes didn't get a look in elsewhere because 17 other clubs saw Port, with the worst ruck division in the league, drop Hayes for Finlayson out of position and leave him out despite is losing the ruck badly each week. Stuff like that spooks recruiters. I'm happy that I saw enough to work with that Hayes should have played for the back half of 2022. What did we have to lose? Just a terrible, short sighted decision.

We can either making developing talls into AFL players a priority, or we can continue to pay through the nose for journeymen and role players and wonder why our defence doesn't hold up when it matters.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Where are our talls? We get a couple of injuries and we're playing a half-cooked Soldo as a key forward.

I like Berry and Moraes, they are good players but we keep drafting flanker after flanker.

Now we have our new structureless game plan and we don't have the hardness to play it.

 

[240volt]

I like Berry and Moraes, they are good players but we keep drafting flanker after flanker.

How many years have we been saying this?
The penny never drops.

 

[backtozero]

we might be staring down the barrell of a rebuild, and at the worst possible time

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

List management the past 3 years has truly been horrific. Adelaide Crows Bryce Gibbs deal horrific.

Every chance we are in for a long winter of being towards the bottom of the ladder.

List management and all involved should immediately be sacked

 

[PAFC66]

Butters is gone.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Once you let Houston go, Butters Bergman Farrell they will all be thinking about it club is weak as piss.

 

[240volt]

we might be staring down the barrell of a rebuild, and at the worst possible time

Basically it’s the only way out now.
Unfortunately like you say with Tassie coming in the picks are not going to be there.
So hopefully your young because I doubt I’ll ever see Port win another flag.

 

[scotty13]

we might be staring down the barrell of a rebuild, and at the worst possible time

A bit like the last time we were staring down a rebuild as GC and GWS took all the talent.

 

[drcollossimo]

Butters is gone.

And Bergman time to actually maximise their value the anti-Houston trade

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Soldo and Ratugolea are players our list management team deemed worthy of chasing and giving up significant player/draft assets for.

 

[1954]

Where are our talls? We get a couple of injuries and we're playing a half-cooked Soldo as a key forward.

I like Berry and Moraes, they are good players but we keep drafting flanker after flanker.

Now we have our new structureless game plan and we don't have the hardness to play it.

Soldo had more than a few mates last night but IMO he was comfortably the worst of a bad bunch, his insipid performance was beyond poor.

He played like someone who had retired a couple of years ago but had been talked into one more game to help make up the numbers, and I suspect when he is out of contract at Alberton he will probably end up in a low grade Melbourne suburban comp.

 

[Albertonarmy]

List management the past 3 years has truly been horrific. Adelaide Crows Bryce Gibbs deal horrific.

Every chance we are in for a long winter of being towards the bottom of the ladder.

List management and all involved should immediately be sacked

We are choosing players other than their footy ability and anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves, we continue to overlook real footy players like Tom Lewis and Kobe Ryan who could not have done more to get afl careers but don’t tick certain non footy boxes. We are not in a normal sporting competition, the ability to run 20 metres in 2.8 seconds is more important than being able to kick a goal on the run from 50

 

[JayPea14]

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Soldo had more than a few mates last night but IMO he was comfortably the worst of a bad bunch, his insipid performance was beyond poor.

He played like someone who had retired a couple of years ago but had been talked into one more game to help make up the numbers, and I suspect when he is out of contract at Alberton he will probably end up in a low grade Melbourne suburban comp.

He played resting forward, 2nd ruck last year and was terrible at it.

I assumed it was going to be the same song last night.

 

[Port 2004]

Butters is gone.

**** off with your Butters crapp. He is not gone at all.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Soldo had more than a few mates last night but IMO he was comfortably the worst of a bad bunch, his insipid performance was beyond poor.

He played like someone who had retired a couple of years ago but had been talked into one more game to help make up the numbers, and I suspect when he is out of contract at Alberton he will probably end up in a low grade Melbourne suburban comp.

He was terrible. I wasn't expecting much of him as a key forward and still I was disappointed. Even when he went in the ruck he did nothing.

 

[Coobk001]

Soldo looked like a player that hasn't played much this preseason. Having he and Finlayson sit out last weekends Magpies game highlights our poor team management.

Last week use someone like Ratkins as emergency, but get a solid hit out into Soldo and Finlayson so you have options.

That poor selection drama, created a unprepared Soldo, and also didn't allow an option for selecting Finlayson, even though Finlayson should've been selected given our injuries.

Poor management gets poor results.

 

[PortVic]

can’t even look forward to a top 10 pick. How we lost Houston and our 25 1st is astounding. Gold Coast now have 3 1RP and 3 acamedy players who are likely 1st rounders.

 

[PJ Power]

can’t even look forward to a top 10 pick. How we lost Houston and our 25 1st is astounding. Gold Coast now have 3 1RP and 3 acamedy players who are likely 1st rounders.

This. Especially upsetting to use our 2025 1st rounder for Lukosius.

 

[RangaInTeal]

We are choosing players other than their footy ability and anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves, we continue to overlook real footy players like Tom Lewis and Kobe Ryan who could not have done more to get afl careers but don’t tick certain non footy boxes. We are not in a normal sporting competition, the ability to run 20 metres in 2.8 seconds is more important than being able to kick a goal on the run from 50

Unfortunately, the end of the day is the AFL is a business and ‘naughty boys’ while great for the game and spectators, need to be absolutely elite to get a crack. Most of the ‘Naughty Boys’ of the AFL are still all private school kids!

 

[Long live PAFC]

So last night, I’m still pissed off, we had Cochrane, Morases, Berry, Richards, Evans, Sinn, have 46 games between them. Ratugolea, Soldo, Sweet, Bergmann, Farrell, Bergmann, Burgoyne, Georgiades, Mead, Horne-Francis and Rioli - none have played 100 games. We have three 200+ gamers.

We are missing BZT (less than 100 games), Jones (less than 100 games) Lukoscious, Marshall, Burton and Butters from our best 22.

Premiership lists are predominantly driven by a majority of players in the 125- 150 games range. Obviously not perfect as players like Sweet, Rioli, Farrell, etc have been around long enough to play to a premiership level.

We’re clearly 1-3 years away from the right profile. We are also very susceptible to injury, as evidenced by our current predicament and we are learning a new game style. I also don’t think we are fit or strong enough nor is our mental side of things in order.

We lost, arguably the best kick, user and half back in the league, and a critical player in terms of experience and on field leadership. For stuff all.

We’ve also given up a, likely, top 5 pick at season’s end. For stuff all.

However, there are some strong elements to our list. Berry, despite missing targets and goals, seems to have something. Morases looks a gun. Richards has a great work ethic, we’ve seen what Evans can do. Bergmann, Sinn and Jones have games of looking great. Mitch seems to have taken a great step.

It’s clear our coaches and list management gambled on us maintaining our luck and being able to easily cover Houston.

And it’s clear that our senior and best players aren’t standing up as needed. Rozee, JHF, SPP, Drew - haven’t carried the team as needed. Boak, Wines and DBJ have been good. But we clearly need more in this space. We lack toughness and killer extinct. We don’t know how to win or have anyone who has won.

I would be chasing Maynard or Vlaustin for a tough half back role and guys like Pendlebury, Breust, Lynch as player coaches. Get some leadership around guys like Rozee and JHF. Help set the standards and get outside perspective on our fitness and game style.

 

[Chrizzt]

**** off with your Butters crapp. He is not gone at all.

I'd say it's about 70% chance as of right now. Tbh I'm not convinced the club aren't tempted to let him go just to get back into the draft and mini-rebuild for Carr.

 

[Port 2004]

I'd say it's about 70% chance as of right now. Tbh I'm not convinced the club aren't tempted to let him go just to get back into the draft and mini-rebuild for Carr.

You maybe right te the clubs thinking. But I have some pretty reliable intel that Butters has no intention of leaving. Most of the talk is all bs without foundations. CY who knows his stuff and clearly has contacts in the player management area has posted that Butters wants to stay. Time will tell of course.