January 26th 2025

[CM86]

In remember when people used to sit down and watch the cricket on Australia Day. Cricket Australia saw to it that such a thing would never happen again unfortunately.

That sounds horrible!

For you and people like you to be dispossessed of something so important and significant!! My heart breaks.
I cannot imagine what it must be like for you to have lost so much of your people's history, culture and freedom.

They've Stolen Generations of entertainment from you!
Cricket Australian is trying to act like sitting down to watch the cricket never even existed before them!




Imagine if a group got together once a year, to celebrate that happening to you?

 

[Goroyals22]

Incorrect, an Australia Day on a different date with a different focus will be welcomed by most of the Aboriginal Elders I speak to. Most Aboriginals want to celebrate all that is great about modern Australia, they just don't want to celebrate a past that destroyed many lives.

Which wouldn’t change one thing by changing the date. .. different focus let me guess what that entails…

Let’s call it even and get rid of Australia Day as long as Sorry day, NAIDOC week and welcome to country goes with it. Stuff celebrating anyone or anything..

 

[CM86]

Which wouldn’t change one thing by changing the date. .. different focus let me guess what that entails…

Let’s call it even and get rid of Australia Day as long as Sorry day, NAIDOC week and welcome to country goes with it. Stuff celebrating anyone or anything..

Why do you hate Aboriginal people so much?

South of the Yarra's post explicitly expressed the desire to celebrate all that is great about us as a country, today.
And specifically is against celebrating lives that were destroyed.


And your response is... that if you can't celebrate the pain and suffering of human beings, then no one should celebrate "anyone or anything"

You're a lunatic. But you're more honest about your position than many of the other posters in this thread.

 

[Sttew]

Then it just becomes a viscous circle, if we can't change the date until we become a republic when do we start doing something about that?

Conversely, if we change the date now and become a republic in 3 - 5 years it makes a mockery of the date change, particularly if it has no real significance. Just thinking aloud.

I still think at the moment Federation Day is the only significant event to have shaped modern Australia, and I've always felt 26 January is when the First Fleet arrived in Sydney Cove, so significant to NSW but no so for other states

 

[Sttew]

Adopt a new flag, announce it on Jan 26. Nice compromise

New Flag Day?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Which wouldn’t change one thing by changing the date. .. different focus let me guess what that entails…

Let’s call it even and get rid of Australia Day as long as Sorry day, NAIDOC week and welcome to country goes with it. Stuff celebrating anyone or anything..

Such a sad but predictable response. It entails celebrating all of Australia and who we are today. All aspects of our modern society need to be celebrated. Celebrate who we are today not the horrors of an invasion in the past.

 

[kalex6251]

speaking of new flags ..... saw this recently (been around for a while apparently) ... anyhoo:

 

[Carringbush2010]

This will never be satisfied.

Change the date, and a vocal minority will still complain coz symbolism.

I'm all for changing the date, unless it costs to the point of not being practical.

Like I said, someone, somewhere will not be satisfied, like now and that will be focused on, the narrative will continue, like now and we'll continue on our merry go round.

So, change the date, just don't expect some sort of panacea, aboriginal people will still be mistreated and that will be the focus, like it is now.

Pretty sad really.

 

[schneebly111]

In remember when people used to sit down and watch the cricket on Australia Day. Cricket Australia saw to it that such a thing would never happen again unfortunately.

I never remembered January 26th as being an important date on the cricket calendar at all. Nowhere near as significant as the Boxing Day test. AO always had the men’s final on the 26th, but it’s been a long time since that had anything to do with an Australian.

Now there were two events for my generation that Jan 26th was most remembered by, and nether had anything to do specifically with Australia. The Hottest 100 countdown and the Sydney Big Day Out, sometimes even simulcast with the Hottest 100 countdown. The countdown was usually won by a non Australian band and the BDO was headlined by non Australians, so no one of my generation gave a shit about a “BBQ at the beach with mates while decked out in Aus flag gear” it was always somewhere listening to the countdown.

When the date of the countdown changed the right had a sook and Triple M instituted their Jan 26 “Ozzest 100” countdown of bogan pub rock that they play every day, it was such a flop it fizzled out after 1 year. The Hottest 100 still continues strong.

The BDO fizzled out eventually like most festivals, and there’s been no patriotic replacement. After that year where bogans were demanding patrons at the BDO kiss the flag or risk being smacked in the face I think that also reduced the willingness of my generation to “love Australia”.

 

[schneebly111]

speaking of new flags ..... saw this recently (been around for a while apparently) ... anyhoo:

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This is a video regarding a proposal for a new Australian flag design. Now while I don’t believe it’s the most aesthetically pleasing design (albeit much better than the British junk we have now) the creator of the video has a very deep understanding of vexillology (the study of flags) and Australian symbolism, and really explains well why the current flag is rubbish (like the placement of the Union Jack in the Canton is horrible symbology, as would the indigenous flag)



It’s well worth watching and some of the sentiment can also be applied to the debate around the date of the national day.

 

[Boxo004]

I never remembered January 26th as being an important date on the cricket calendar at all. Nowhere near as significant as the Boxing Day test. AO always had the men’s final on the 26th, but it’s been a long time since that had anything to do with an Australian.

Now there were two events for my generation that Jan 26th was most remembered by, and nether had anything to do specifically with Australia. The Hottest 100 countdown and the Sydney Big Day Out, sometimes even simulcast with the Hottest 100 countdown. The countdown was usually won by a non Australian band and the BDO was headlined by non Australians, so no one of my generation gave a shit about a “BBQ at the beach with mates while decked out in Aus flag gear” it was always somewhere listening to the countdown.

When the date of the countdown changed the right had a sook and Triple M instituted their Jan 26 “Ozzest 100” countdown of bogan pub rock that they play every day, it was such a flop it fizzled out after 1 year. The Hottest 100 still continues strong.

The BDO fizzled out eventually like most festivals, and there’s been no patriotic replacement. After that year where bogans were demanding patrons at the BDO kiss the flag or risk being smacked in the face I think that also reduced the willingness of my generation to “love Australia”.

Correct me if I’m wrong and judging by your post I may be a bit older then you but the cricket on Australia Day from memory was a one dayer normally in Adelaide? Could be wrong.
Referring the hottest 100 as still going strong doesn’t really fly because of the demographic of people that constitutes triple Js audience.
The BDO was also a big Aust Day item that fizzled out but not because of Australia Day. It was run in plenty of other places not on Australia Day. The demise had nothing to do with the day it was on.
There are a few things that are still going strong on Australia Day. There has been a noticeable shift in the rhetoric in my area. Much more promotion of activities etc on the day. Definitely more noticeable than the past few years.

 

[kalex6251]

This is a video regarding a proposal for a new Australian flag design. Now while I don’t believe it’s the most aesthetically pleasing design (albeit much better than the British junk we have now) the creator of the video has a very deep understanding of vexillology (the study of flags) and Australian symbolism, and really explains well why the current flag is rubbish (like the placement of the Union Jack in the Canton is horrible symbology, as would the indigenous flag)



It’s well worth watching and some of the sentiment can also be applied to the debate around the date of the national day.

happy to change just not wedded* to any design yet (i do like the one i posted above tho)

* firmly in the anything but the current embarrassment camp .... the fact a change would pi$$ off the 'aussie pride' knuckle draggers is just an added bonus

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Conversely, if we change the date now and become a republic in 3 - 5 years it makes a mockery of the date change, particularly if it has no real significance. Just thinking aloud.

I still think at the moment Federation Day is the only significant event to have shaped modern Australia, and I've always felt 26 January is when the First Fleet arrived in Sydney Cove, so significant to NSW but no so for other states

No, but everything else started from then (or changed, depending on your perspective).

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

While seemingly each tribe had a name for their local area which they occupied, to be honest I am unaware if Aboriginal people had a common name for the continent they lived on.

There was no means to know the extent of this continent, other than it was very big, or its position in relation to other parts of the world, which would also have been only vaguely understood and probably of little interest. Attachment to certain areas gave familiarity and belonging when it came to landmarks, weather, vegetation, forests, waterways, coasts, but wider appreciation of the whole continent was impossible.

The tribes/clans didn't see themselves as a common entity, they were often quite foreign to each other. Even today, indigenous people identify themselves by their clan or community, less as Aboriginal.

 

[Sttew]

No, but everything else started from then (or changed, depending on your perspective).

I'd argue 11 November is more significant to Victorians. 11 November 1850 was the date Victoria broke away from NSW and became a state.

 

[schneebly111]

There are a few things that are still going strong on Australia Day. There has been a noticeable shift in the rhetoric in my area. Much more promotion of activities etc on the day. Definitely more noticeable than the past few years.

Where? The councils will always do the council things, and that hasn’t changed, but where are the private events where actual residents have to get off their ass and organise them and are people actually going to attend these events? Have your peer groups said “yeah I wasn’t too keen on Australia Day but now I’m going to celebrate” or is it just people who were always pro Jan 26 and are now just more vocal?

 

[schneebly111]

* firmly in the anything but the current embarrassment camp .... the fact a change would pi$$ off the 'aussie pride' knuckle draggers is just an added bonus

The number one place I’ve seen the current flag flown in the recent past is the Cronulla riots, the early 2010s patriot rallies, the anti vax rallies and amongst the bogans on Aus day.

 

[South of the Yarra]

There was no means to know the extent of this continent, other than it was very big, or its position in relation to other parts of the world, which would also have been only vaguely understood and probably of little interest. Attachment to certain areas gave familiarity and belonging when it came to landmarks, weather, vegetation, forests, waterways, coasts, but wider appreciation of the whole continent was impossible.

The tribes/clans didn't see themselves as a common entity, they were often quite foreign to each other. Even today, indigenous people identify themselves by their clan or community, less as Aboriginal.

No, most Aboriginals see themselves as Aboriginal but also have pride in the mob and country they belong to. And many of the mobs were not foreign to each other.

 

[Cmarsh]

Correct me if I’m wrong and judging by your post I may be a bit older then you but the cricket on Australia Day from memory was a one dayer normally in Adelaide? Could be wrong.
Referring the hottest 100 as still going strong doesn’t really fly because of the demographic of people that constitutes triple Js audience.
The BDO was also a big Aust Day item that fizzled out but not because of Australia Day. It was run in plenty of other places not on Australia Day. The demise had nothing to do with the day it was on.
There are a few things that are still going strong on Australia Day. There has been a noticeable shift in the rhetoric in my area. Much more promotion of activities etc on the day. Definitely more noticeable than the past few years.

Correct.

 

[Cmarsh]

This is a video regarding a proposal for a new Australian flag design. Now while I don’t believe it’s the most aesthetically pleasing design (albeit much better than the British junk we have now) the creator of the video has a very deep understanding of vexillology (the study of flags) and Australian symbolism, and really explains well why the current flag is rubbish (like the placement of the Union Jack in the Canton is horrible symbology, as would the indigenous flag)



It’s well worth watching and some of the sentiment can also be applied to the debate around the date of the national day.

One of the reasons I think a Republic is doubtful is that you will never get agreement on a new flag. But a new flag is a must if a Republic was to come about as having the Union Jack and being a Republic are incompatible. It's one of the reasons I think a Republic is probably unattainable.

 

[peetoo]

One of the reasons I think a Republic is doubtful is that you will never get agreement on a new flag. But a new flag is a must if a Republic was to come about as having the Union Jack and being a Republic are incompatible. It's one of the reasons I think a Republic is probably unattainable.

So Jan 26 is really a ‘proxy war ‘ for the big stuff

 

[Cmarsh]

So Jan 26 is really a ‘proxy war ‘ for the big stuff

It's all big stuff.

 

[Cmarsh]

The average person just wants a day off in summer to celebrate the country, BBQ, go swimming, have a couple of drinks, watch fireworks, whatever...

Only a tiny % of nerds are going to care about it having a date on the calender with some 'significance'. Or what other countries do..

If it was as straightforward as this, the date would have changed already.

 

[MPMonkeys]

The number one place I’ve seen the current flag flown in the recent past is the Cronulla riots, the early 2010s patriot rallies, the anti vax rallies and amongst the bogans on Aus day.

Whats with the obesession with flags?

 

[MPMonkeys]

Correct me if I’m wrong and judging by your post I may be a bit older then you but the cricket on Australia Day from memory was a one dayer normally in Adelaide? Could be wrong.
Referring the hottest 100 as still going strong doesn’t really fly because of the demographic of people that constitutes triple Js audience.
The BDO was also a big Aust Day item that fizzled out but not because of Australia Day. It was run in plenty of other places not on Australia Day. The demise had nothing to do with the day it was on.
There are a few things that are still going strong on Australia Day. There has been a noticeable shift in the rhetoric in my area. Much more promotion of activities etc on the day. Definitely more noticeable than the past few years.

Correct on all counts.
The one dayer was usually scheduled as a big match.