January 26th 2025

[South of the Yarra]

"has been noted". Why do you guys never cite your sources?

There would have been hundreds of sites across the country where stones were found and shaped into axes. They didn't all come from Mt William.

But yes, there would have been some trading and communication. We don't know the extent of it and much of what has been written is very speculative. But we do know they had to walk everywhere and had no animals or carts to carry goods. We are not talking the Silk Road here. It's likely that any assets from Victorian tribes would have taken years to be on-traded to tribes that were very remote from them.

I didn't claim that there was no communication. I said it goes against all evidence that there was a continent wide system of communication between remotely separated groups that warned each other of the threat from the light skinned people. Hence my argument that they did not all have the same invasion day on January 26th 1788.

Yet you refuse to answer the question. How many elders from different mobs have you spoken to, so as to ascertain what they see as invasion day?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Australia was regularly visited by fishermen and traders from Indonesia, China, New Guinea and the Pacific Islands, prior to settlement. The Dutch, the French and the Portuguese also called in.

 

[campbell]

Australia was regularly visited by fishermen and traders from Indonesia, China, New Guinea and the Pacific Islands, prior to settlement. The Dutch, the French and the Portuguese also called in.

We were already settled, we lived here.

 

[CM86]

Australia was regularly visited by fishermen and traders from Indonesia, China, New Guinea and the Pacific Islands, prior to settlement. The Dutch, the French and the Portuguese also called in.

Prior to European settlement.

 

[CM86]

We were already settled, we lived here.

These people argue against The Voice to Parliament. They talk about being sick of having 'this stuff rammed down their throats'.
And they still believe Australia was uninhabited before European settlement.

It's still nothing but flora and fauna to them.

 

[Cmarsh]

Yeah I agree with you. I do believe Australia’s national day should be an anniversary of a profound event like Independence, or founding or other significance. Not the day a British flag was raised by a few bread stealing convicts.

Jan 1 (federation), March 3 (Australia Act) or Republic day would be great thanks.

While I also agree regarding the need for something meaningful, you then reach the problem of not having any good candidates as alternates.

Federation day of Jan 1 would not be welcomed by Indigenous groups as it also represents colonisation. Australia Act March 3 would require too much selling to the public of it's supposed worthiness to represent a National day (few are really aware of it) as well as debate about it's significance in a practical sense in the first place as after all it was just about how you couldn't appeal to the British Privy court anymore.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

While I also agree regarding the need for something meaningful, you then reach the problem of not having any good candidates as alternates.

Federation day of Jan 1 would not be welcomed by Indigenous groups as it also represents colonisation. Australia Act March 3 would require too much selling to the public of it's supposed worthiness to represent a National day (few are really aware of it) as well as debate about it's significance in the first place as after all it was just about how you couldn't appeal to the British Privy court anymore.

Any Australia Day would not be welcome because of this reason. There wasn’t “Australia” before settlement.

 

[campbell]

These people argue against The Voice to Parliament. They talk about being sick of having 'this stuff rammed down their throats'.
And they still believe Australia was uninhabited before European settlement.

It's still nothing but flora and fauna to them.

sad but true. we are non people......

 

[Cmarsh]

Any Australia Day would not be welcome because of this reason. There wasn’t “Australia” before settlement.

While seemingly each tribe had a name for their local area which they occupied, to be honest I am unaware if Aboriginal people had a common name for the continent they lived on.

 

[Rob R]

For our indigenous brothers and sisters consideration and advice.

Would an Australia day similar to how our veterans celebrate ANZAC day work? A solemn acknowledgement of the horrors of the past in the morning (including acknowledgement of what is needed) and the afternoon focussed on celebrating our hopeful way forward together.

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[South of the Yarra]

While seemingly each tribe had a name for their local area which they occupied, to be honest I am unaware if Aboriginal people had a common name for the continent they lived on.

Most mob 'regions' had a name which meant vast land, land or mainland.

 

[campbell]

For our indigenous brothers and sisters consideration and advice.

Would an Australia day similar to how our veterans celebrate ANZAC day work? A solemn acknowledgement of the horrors of the past in the morning (including acknowledgement of what is needed) and the afternoon focussed on celebrating our hopeful way forward together.

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oooo, flick a switch day...........solemn t hen flick a switch to party.

um, hell no. how disrespectful.

 

[Boxo004]

Any Australia Day would not be welcome because of this reason. There wasn’t “Australia” before settlement.

Exactly

 

[South of the Yarra]

Exactly

So you can speak on behalf of Aboriginal people in this regard?

 

[Boxo004]

So you can speak on behalf of Aboriginal people in this regard?

No i can’t speak on behalf of all aboriginal people but its clear in this day and age there will not ever be a viable alternative as the day will still symbolise colonisation, which is exactly what the above poster was referring too.

 

[Cmarsh]

Most mob 'regions' had a name which meant vast land, land or mainland.

I think I was aware of that but the question I am asking is if there was a collective or common name for the whole continent amongst all Aboriginal people.

 

[schneebly111]

No i can’t speak on behalf of all aboriginal people but its clear in this day and age there will not ever be a viable alternative as the day will still symbolise colonisation, which is exactly what the above poster was referring too.

The best “new” Australia Day will be in conjunction with truly Australian flag and head of state. We might as well get all the symbolic stuff sorted at once.

 

[South of the Yarra]

No i can’t speak on behalf of all aboriginal people but its clear in this day and age there will not ever be a viable alternative as the day will still symbolise colonisation, which is exactly what the above poster was referring too.

Incorrect, an Australia Day on a different date with a different focus will be welcomed by most of the Aboriginal Elders I speak to. Most Aboriginals want to celebrate all that is great about modern Australia, they just don't want to celebrate a past that destroyed many lives.

 

[schneebly111]

Any Australia Day would not be welcome because of this reason. There wasn’t “Australia” before settlement.

There wasn’t even an “Australia” at settlement. The term “Australia” wasn’t used to describe the continent for the first time until about 10 years after 1788, and then only in widespread use about 20 years later after Flinder’s circumnavigation.

The colonies thought of themselves as separate until Parkes’s “Tenterfield Oration”. And only then federated to standardise railway tracks and because they were scared of the yellow peril.

 

[Celebrity 101]

It’s great to see the tide has turned on our national day. After years of being made to feel guilty for being patriotic to Australia on Jan 26 and labelled racists, the average Australian has had enough and will celebrate the day proudly.

The dynamic has shifted. The change the date group can’t even agree on an alternate date. The reality is deep down the change the date group will always protest an Australia Day because they hate Australia with a passion.

 

[Sttew]

Apart from Federation Day, 1 January, it doesn’t seem there is a viable alternative. So we either cancel Australia Day (and the public holiday), or keep it as 26 January UNTIL Australia becomes a republic. Whatever date that happens will then become the new Australia Day or Independence Day.

 

[peetoo]

It’s great to see the tide has turned on our national day. After years of being made to feel guilty for being patriotic to Australia on Jan 26 and labelled racists, the average Australian has had enough and will celebrate the day proudly.

The dynamic has shifted. The change the date group can’t even agree on an alternate date. The reality is deep down the change the date group will always protest an Australia Day because they hate Australia with a passion.

We are talking actual people not the ones who’s motivation is triggering and being triggered by the the opposite group

I’d suggest there was a ‘tide’ but it was barely perceptible

As suggested by others. It’s just a welcome holiday marking return to school, uni etc

 

[schneebly111]

It’s great to see the tide has turned on our national day. After years of being made to feel guilty for being patriotic to Australia on Jan 26 and labelled racists, the average Australian has had enough and will celebrate the day proudly.

So the “average Australian” hasn’t bothered to get decked out in flags on the day for some time now. The bogan contingent does, but they always have and have always spooked loudly that they’re being “cancelled” about it.

Just because Murdoch media is going into a patriotic overdrive doesn’t mean the tide is turning - in fact outside of those who argue about politics constantly there’s not a single person in my family, friends, social circles or workplaces who is planning anything “patriotic” on this 26th. Similarly I only know one person who’s attending an “Invasion day” event, but that’s still one more than people I know who are being patriotic. Everyone else is treating it like another day off - catch up on shopping, now the lawn, watch the AO, maybe head to the beach but just a beach visit not a flag waving “Aussie BBQ”. I see no ride turning the other way, but I see a gradual decline in “patriotic” feeling on the day.

I’ll keep my eyes peeled this 26th (as we all should) but outside of the vocal bogan minority I don’t see the average Australian getting decked out on flag gear on the day.

I wouldn’t listen to the media as no doubt Murdoch media will festoon their papers with every single flag waver they can find to create the impression there’s a massive swing of support. Ignore them and look around tat your own local streets, beaches and parks.

The dynamic has shifted. The change the date group can’t even agree on an alternate date. The reality is deep down the change the date group will always protest an Australia Day because they hate Australia with a passion.

There’s no talk yet about an alternative date because half of the political class still throw their toys out of the pram when you mention an alternative view at the 26th to begin with.

“Hate Australia” is a complex term. A lot on the right would say they hate what Australia is now (a multicultural nation) and wish it went back to being mostly British (hence the quarter Union Jack flag waving).

 

[peetoo]

Adopt a new flag, announce it on Jan 26. Nice compromise

 

[Gough]

Apart from Federation Day, 1 January, it doesn’t seem there is a viable alternative. So we either cancel Australia Day (and the public holiday), or keep it as 26 January UNTIL Australia becomes a republic. Whatever date that happens will then become the new Australia Day or Independence Day.

Then it just becomes a viscous circle, if we can't change the date until we become a republic when do we start doing something about that?