Traded Jack Bowes [Traded to Geelong with #7 for F3]

[shotgun_blues]

Net results of Geelong trades with GC last 4 years:

Out :
Pick 52
Pick 64
Pick 56 (Future 3rd 2023)

* 27 was traded in from GC then back out for 11 from GC if I remember correctly, cancelling it out.

In :
Pick 11
Pick 7
Pick 10 (Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

Age

26

Ht

189cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

318.1

4star

D

18.0

4star

K

11.8

5star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

318.1

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

)

Geelong Effective Total Points Out : 1178
Geelong Effective Total Points In : 4938

Net points surplus: 3760 (equivalent to picks 16, 17 & 18 or picks 6 & 7)

Who at HQ is signing off this rort? Should be an investigation.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I'm not blaming Geelong it's not like they're cheating, it's the AFLs fault for allowing the deal. It just stinks so much.

The only explanation I can see is the suns salary cap is completely screwed so they didn’t have a choice

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Interesting that Danger and Mackie sat down months ago to formally discuss a player who had two years to run on his contract and is a Queenslander playing for a club in Queensland.

It’s as if they had inside word that the Suns salary cap was about to bust and they’d need to offload someone in a fire sale, not to mention who would be on the table.

Great foresight by the cats…

 

[Boxhead_31]

Before answering that there are bigger questions around the type of organisation the AFL actually is. Is it an ethical, good “quality” organisation as you put it? Is being headhunted by the AFL any indication of a persons quality? I don’t think it is. The AFL doesn’t want any Tigers on the books because we aren’t boring soulless administrators and we conduct ourselves ethically and authentically.

So tin foil hat reasons no worries

 

[Boxhead_31]

Interesting that Danger and Mackie sat down months ago to formally discuss a player who had two years to run on his contract and is a Queenslander playing for a club in Queensland.

It’s as if they had inside word that the Suns salary cap was about to bust and they’d need to offload someone in a fire sale, not to mention who would be on the table.

Great foresight by the cats…

Or maybe just maybe there was a player who went from the Suns to Geelong that told them to keep an eye on a youngster that impressed him while he was there and told them to keep an eye on him and see if he was gettable

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Does the AFL have that power? Any actual examples of it being used in the past? (not interested in vague recollections - actual examples please)

Yes every trade has to be signed of buy the afl they can deny one if they wish

 

[Stokey]

Interesting that Danger and Mackie sat down months ago to formally discuss a player who had two years to run on his contract and is a Queenslander playing for a club in Queensland.

It’s as if they had inside word that the Suns salary cap was about to bust and they’d need to offload someone in a fire sale, not to mention who would be on the table.

Great foresight by the cats…

It was Ablett that said we should into Bowes.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Yes every trade has to be signed of buy the afl they can deny one if they wish

Have they ever denied one (on the basis of "fairness")?

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

Interesting that Danger and Mackie sat down months ago to formally discuss a player who had two years to run on his contract and is a Queenslander playing for a club in Queensland.

It’s as if they had inside word that the Suns salary cap was about to bust and they’d need to offload someone in a fire sale, not to mention who would be on the table.

Great foresight by the cats…

What do you reckon Dodoro is doing on the phone in that profile pic of yours? That is how this game works.

Player agents are the go-between for clubs to sound out info like this.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

i think a good change to remove this occurring again is that the player in question needs to pick say 3 clubs of choice. GC are a disaster but at least allowing others to negotiate means this isn't just a total ream job for a single club.

picking 1 and only doing the deal with one is stinky in this situation.

can't fault geelong for it though. 100% legal and well done to them.

 

[PT Bar None]

Exclusive footage of Gold Coast and Geelong trade negotiations!

 

[The 747]

Net results of Geelong trades with GC last 4 years:

Out :
Pick 52
Pick 64
Pick 56 (Future 3rd 2023)

* 27 was traded in from GC then back out for 11 from GC if I remember correctly, cancelling it out.

In :
Pick 11
Pick 7
Pick 10 (Jack Bowes)

Geelong Effective Total Points Out : 1178
Geelong Effective Total Points In : 4938

Net points surplus: 3760 (equivalent to picks 16, 17 & 18 or picks 6 & 7)

Who at HQ is signing off this rort? Should be an investigation.

Well they are busy at the moment investigating Hawthorn.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Congrats to Geelong fans but can you all just promise me not to forget this in a few years time when everyone is saying isn't it amazing how Geelong have managed to stay relevant and not bottom out like other clubs.

Thanks.

 

[Stokey]

Congrats to Geelong fans but can you all just promise me not to forget this in a few years time when everyone is saying isn't it amazing how Geelong have managed to stay relevant and not bottom out like other clubs.

Thanks.

I promise *











* not a real promise.

 

[Stokey]

Exclusive footage of Gold Coast and Geelong trade negotiations!

Exclusive footage of all non-Geeling supporters.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Can anyone confirm that the below info is correct? If so then I retract any criticism I made about the deal. Honestly them getting Pick 7 is just good business on their end but it was previously implied Bowes turned a 2 year 1.5m contract into a 4 year 1.5m contract (effectively playing for free for 2 years). The playing for free was in reality the biggest issue with the trade but that may not be true if the below is accurate

 

[nut]

Can anyone confirm that the below info is correct? If so then I retract any criticism I made about the deal. Honestly them getting Pick 7 is just good business on their end but it was previously implied Bowes turned a 2 year 1.5m contract into a 4 year 1.5m contract (effectively playing for free for 2 years). The playing for free was in reality the biggest issue with the trade but that may not be true if the below is accurate

He was owed 1.6m..

So Geelong basically paying him what he is owed plus $150k a season ..

 

[STPer18]

He was owed 1.6m..

So Geelong basically paying him what he is owed plus $150k a season ..

2.2m - 1.6m = 600k

He gets his 1.6M + 2 extra years at 300k guaranteed. That's just quick maths. Alternatively he gets his 1.6 over two years at the Gold Coast by staying and likely gets delisted if he stays stuck in their reserves. The kid and his manager aren't stupid, regardless of what the conspiracy theorists here might try and suggest.

 

[nut]

2.2m - 1.6m = 600k

He gets his 1.6M + 2 extra years at 300k guaranteed. That's just quick maths. Alternatively he gets his 1.6 over two years at the Gold Coast by staying and likely gets delisted if he stays stuck in their reserves. The kid and his manager aren't stupid, regardless of what the conspiracy theorists here might try and suggest.

600k/4 = $150k a season

 

[STPer18]

600k/4 = $150k a season

If he was owed 800k for two years at GC they weren't going to give him 950k. He's turned 2 years at 1.6m into 4 years at 2.2m.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

600k/4 = $150k a season

Huh? You do realise Geelong have to pay the 1.6M as well, right?

The total deal (allegedly) is $2.2M from Geelong to Bowes for 4 years. Did you really think the cats weren't responsible for the 1.6M as well?

No wonder you think it's an outrageously good deal for Geelong.

 

[nut]

Huh? You do realise Geelong have to pay the 1.6M as well, right?

The total deal (allegedly) is $2.2M from Geelong to Bowes for 4 years. Did you really think the cats weren't responsible for the 1.6M as well?

No wonder you think it's an outrageously good deal for Geelong.

From bowes perspective GC have dudded him 1.6m … Geelong have taken over this liability for pick 7… and agreed to pay it over 4years plus another $150k on average for the next 4 years… it can be painted a dozen different ways.

 

[SplintWhisky]

He was owed 1.6m..

So Geelong basically paying him what he is owed plus $150k a season ..

Whichever way you slice it, then this is just good business by Geelong. Sure the optics dont look great with players having an early chat with him but there is every chance that Bowes said in these discussions that he had been told he was shit outta luck with his owed money.

Very shrewd negotiation by Geelong. Tip my hat.

 

[nut]

Whichever way you slice it, then this is just good business by Geelong. Sure the optics dont look great with players having an early chat with him but there is every chance that Bowes said in these discussions that he had been told he was s**t outta luck with his owed money.

Very shrewd negotiation by Geelong. Tip my hat.

It’s just crapp management by GC… good luck trying to secure back ended deals in the future.
Someone at GC needs to be accountable

 

[citizen-erased]

Whichever way you slice it, then this is just good business by Geelong. Sure the optics dont look great with players having an early chat with him but there is every chance that Bowes said in these discussions that he had been told he was s**t outta luck with his owed money.

Very shrewd negotiation by Geelong. Tip my hat.

more an AFL issue than the cats, suns or Bowes.
though you'd have to wonder how much Hocking knew of this coming and had the inside track. I hope a lot, cos his successor at the AFL is now our coach

Sadly i think the AFL will fix this before any other club gets to take advantage of it.
Imagine the pick trade can only be lop-sided if the salary component doesn't change for the remaining contract (i.e. Geelong take on 800 a year for 2, then whatever is negotiated for the next 2)