Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[AFDogs]

you like the fact the Eagles gave up pick 3 in the middle of a rebuild when they could have kept 3, taken 14 and f2 for barrass and traded 14 for baker?

When did I speak about that other trade they did? I was clearly referring to this one which I think benefits them.

 

[RCAB]

I like this for WCE. If Hawks can manage to have a down year (it's not impossible) it could land them a really high draft pick.

Do you think the Dogs will be able to beat us at least once in 2025? I'm not going to worry if Hawks play Dogs twice next season during h&a season, as opposed to only once this season.

 

[Snoref]

When did I speak about that other trade they did? I was clearly referring to this one which I think benefits them.

Even in isolation it isn't that great when you include missed opportunities to trade for more pick like Richmond did.

This deal was a shambles and wasted so much time when their objective was to move on TB get picks in and try and do a few pick swaps..

This trade period was a opportunity for them to excell their rebuild instead they loaded up on fringe players and did a pick slide out of top 10

 

[Scotland]

Even in isolation it isn't that great when you include missed opportunities to trade for more pick like Richmond did.

This deal was a shambles and wasted so much time when their objective was to move on TB get picks in and try and do a few pick swaps..

This trade period was a opportunity for them to excell their rebuild instead they loaded up on fringe players and did a pick slide out of top 10

Correct weight.

Pick 3 trade. L
Baker trade. L
Barrass trade. D

 

[Snoref]

Correct weight.

Pick 3 trade. L
Baker trade. L
Barrass trade. D

Yes I would agree with that assessment for outcome but the whole process was a mess

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Improvement isn't linear, especially for multiple kids who might get ahead of themselves over the offseason. Add in more attention, a worse draw, new players gelling, plus potential injuries and there are no guarantees your future picks aren't bottom six.

Of course not, but it's very unlikely.



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[HairyO]

Do you think the Dogs will be able to beat us at least once in 2025? I'm not going to worry if Hawks play Dogs twice next season during h&a season, as opposed to only once this season.

We should get our bunnies, Brisbane twice too.

 

[AFDogs]

Do you think the Dogs will be able to beat us at least once in 2025? I'm not going to worry if Hawks play Dogs twice next season during h&a season, as opposed to only once this season.

Good on you. Would be funny if you guys ended up back down the bottom again after that comment.

 

[Since 2001]

Imagine in the same year, losing tom barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

and pick. How does one deal with so much trauma?

 

[WCE_phil]

The original offer was Barrass + future 3rd for 14. It was turned down.

With 40 minutes to go the offer was Future first and Future second for Barrass and our future third.

Clarke was removed from the negotiation as he was riled and had given up, Hawks were ready to walk.

Some sense prevailed and the Hawks after quick discussions, some home truths were told and a policy of the whole path was laid out. Hawks came up twice. First to future first and future second with no third rounder, then to F1+F2+F3 (of WCE choice, Hawks picks were chosen) with our future fourth going back.

Deal was done, call was made to Barrass who was in tears having already having had a call from mini saying he'd be welcomed back to the club if it didn't go through and that the deal was done.

In isolation I think it was a great trade for all parties involved.

Now people can bitch and moan and say how bad the pick 3 trade was, but that wasn't my shitshow other than getting Owies to the WCE.

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

Due to the above situation pick 3 was being traded anyway. I was ok with the draft picks, just not happy that Clarke had already promised a teens pick to Richmond.

Carlton had already offered 12+14 to North which was turned down. Richmond will now go hard for North's pick so we can all watch that play out.

I have another 3 days off before discussions in regards to draft picks start on a part time basis, then i'm at the draft for real time trades. Then I retire and **** off to Panglao for 2 weeks followed by 4 different Philippine cities for a month at a time before deciding which area i'm retiring to.

Enjoy the very early morning or late evening if you're not in this daylight savings shithole.

 

[stallon]

The original offer was Barrass + future 3rd for 14. It was turned down.

With 40 minutes to go the offer was Future first and Future second for Barrass and our future third.

Clarke was removed from the negotiation as he was riled and had given up, Hawks were ready to walk.

Some sense prevailed and the Hawks after quick discussions, some home truths were told and a policy of the whole path was laid out. Hawks came up twice. First to future first and future second with no third rounder, then to F1+F2+F3 (of WCE choice, Hawks picks were chosen) with our future fourth going back.

Good win here, negotiated up our own f3+hawks f3 plus the little win the Hawks had for selling pick 14 to Carlton.

Now people can bitch and moan and say how bad the pick 3 trade was, but that wasn't my shitshow other than getting Owies to the WCE.

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

I presume FOS was the one that was a 50/50 of being there at 3 for us who would be happy to come west.
**** its hard being out west, we arent even playing the same game as the eastern clubs

 

[CobberRodgers]

Good win here, negotiated up our own f3+hawks f3 plus the little win the Hawks had for selling pick 14 to Carlton.

I presume FOS was the one that was a 50/50 of being there at 3 for us who would be happy to come west.
**** its hard being out west, we arent even playing the same game as the eastern clubs

I actually think Carlton have coughed a bit up to get to pick 3 for FOS, and are going to get rolled by Richmond dealing with North for pick 2, and taking him first.

 

[sexyhunk]

i am just shocked DGB wasnt part of the deal since we been told by many here he has good value to WC.

 

[Snoref]

The original offer was Barrass + future 3rd for 14. It was turned down.

With 40 minutes to go the offer was Future first and Future second for Barrass and our future third.

Clarke was removed from the negotiation as he was riled and had given up, Hawks were ready to walk.

Some sense prevailed and the Hawks after quick discussions, some home truths were told and a policy of the whole path was laid out. Hawks came up twice. First to future first and future second with no third rounder, then to F1+F2+F3 (of WCE choice, Hawks picks were chosen) with our future fourth going back.

Deal was done, call was made to Barrass who was in tears having already having had a call from mini saying he'd be welcomed back to the club if it didn't go through and that the deal was done.

In isolation I think it was a great trade for all parties involved.

Now people can bitch and moan and say how bad the pick 3 trade was, but that wasn't my shitshow other than getting Owies to the WCE.

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

Due to the above situation pick 3 was being traded anyway. I was ok with the draft picks, just not happy that Clarke had already promised a teens pick to Richmond.

Carlton had already offered 12+14 to North which was turned down. Richmond will now go hard for North's pick so we can all watch that play out.

I have another 3 days off before discussions in regards to draft picks start on a part time basis, then i'm at the draft for real time trades. Then I retire and **** off to Panglao for 2 weeks followed by 4 different Philippine cities for a month at a time before deciding which area i'm retiring to.

Enjoy the very early morning or late evening if you're not in this daylight savings shithole.

Yeh you could tell Clarke was out of his depth this trade period (atleast from. The hawks perspective), so unsure and undecidsive. Not sure what the go was with rushing into that pick 3 trade, it was always going to be better got WC to get the pick for Barrass first then decide on how rework their draft hand but he did it the other way around.

Can you confirm whether there was a 2 day period where there was no comms between WC and Hawks after their initial offer of 14 for tb and 3rd?

 

[amazingjoshy]

Carlton paid 12+F1+F2+Owies for 3

Interestingly was reported yesterday than the Giants rejected a trade of 15+16 for 3

Hard to get a read on it all really

 

[Barrybran]

i am just shocked DGB wasnt part of the deal since we been told by many here he has good value to WC.

None of whom were West Coast fans

 

[Barrybran]

Can you confirm whether there was a 2 day period where there was no comms between WC and Hawks after their initial offer of 14 for tb and 3rd?

I hope so. Offering 14 on its own is bad enough. Asking for our F3 in return is 'call us back when you're serious' territory.

 

[Snoref]

I hope so. Offering 14 on its own is bad enough. Asking for our F3 in return is 'call us back when you're serious' territory.

If it's true then that's childish, you don't cut off contact when your in negotiations and have finite time to get things done. Not sure how you think that's fine? It's probably why we ended up moving 14 to the blues

 

[Barrybran]

If it's true then that's childish, you don't cut off contact when your in negotiations and have finite time to get things done. Not sure how you think that's fine? It's probably why we ended up moving 14 to the blues

Trade period is ten days long. You are correct in that clubs have finite time to get deals done. They don't need to be wasting their time.

 

[Ashman23]

Trade period is ten days long. You are correct in that clubs have finite time to get deals done. They don't need to be wasting their time.

So instead of being a bit childish and cutting off contact, why not come back with counter offers or asking for last and best offer.
Not sure why people can't keep talking to meet in the middle rather than go away with no contact.

 

[Ashman23]

The original offer was Barrass + future 3rd for 14. It was turned down.

With 40 minutes to go the offer was Future first and Future second for Barrass and our future third.

Clarke was removed from the negotiation as he was riled and had given up, Hawks were ready to walk.

Some sense prevailed and the Hawks after quick discussions, some home truths were told and a policy of the whole path was laid out. Hawks came up twice. First to future first and future second with no third rounder, then to F1+F2+F3 (of WCE choice, Hawks picks were chosen) with our future fourth going back.

Deal was done, call was made to Barrass who was in tears having already having had a call from mini saying he'd be welcomed back to the club if it didn't go through and that the deal was done.

In isolation I think it was a great trade for all parties involved.

Now people can bitch and moan and say how bad the pick 3 trade was, but that wasn't my shitshow other than getting Owies to the WCE.

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

Due to the above situation pick 3 was being traded anyway. I was ok with the draft picks, just not happy that Clarke had already promised a teens pick to Richmond.

Carlton had already offered 12+14 to North which was turned down. Richmond will now go hard for North's pick so we can all watch that play out.

I have another 3 days off before discussions in regards to draft picks start on a part time basis, then i'm at the draft for real time trades. Then I retire and **** off to Panglao for 2 weeks followed by 4 different Philippine cities for a month at a time before deciding which area i'm retiring to.

Enjoy the very early morning or late evening if you're not in this daylight savings shithole.

Thank you for this post, very open of you to share with all of us.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Will be such a good pickup for Hawthorn

And great for McCabe Blanck to learn off

 

[hawksalltheway]

The original offer was Barrass + future 3rd for 14. It was turned down.

With 40 minutes to go the offer was Future first and Future second for Barrass and our future third.

Clarke was removed from the negotiation as he was riled and had given up, Hawks were ready to walk.

Some sense prevailed and the Hawks after quick discussions, some home truths were told and a policy of the whole path was laid out. Hawks came up twice. First to future first and future second with no third rounder, then to F1+F2+F3 (of WCE choice, Hawks picks were chosen) with our future fourth going back.

Deal was done, call was made to Barrass who was in tears having already having had a call from mini saying he'd be welcomed back to the club if it didn't go through and that the deal was done.

In isolation I think it was a great trade for all parties involved.

Now people can bitch and moan and say how bad the pick 3 trade was, but that wasn't my shitshow other than getting Owies to the WCE.

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

Due to the above situation pick 3 was being traded anyway. I was ok with the draft picks, just not happy that Clarke had already promised a teens pick to Richmond.

Carlton had already offered 12+14 to North which was turned down. Richmond will now go hard for North's pick so we can all watch that play out.

I have another 3 days off before discussions in regards to draft picks start on a part time basis, then i'm at the draft for real time trades. Then I retire and **** off to Panglao for 2 weeks followed by 4 different Philippine cities for a month at a time before deciding which area i'm retiring to.

Enjoy the very early morning or late evening if you're not in this daylight savings shithole.

interesting - it was pretty widely reported that hawks first offered 14 & f2 (with f3 coming back) - i guess all those journalists were wrong

i think most hawks supporters thought 14 & f2 was pretty fair from the start.....and that is pretty much where it ended, with effectively a late pick swap thrown in

 

[Barrybran]

So instead of being a bit childish and cutting off contact, why not come back with counter offers or asking for last and best offer.
Not sure why people can't keep talking to meet in the middle rather than go away with no contact.

There are 17 clubs to talk to as well as players and managers. I imagine it's a pretty busy period.

 

[Scotland]

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

While this has nothing to do with the Barrass trade at all, this is weak.

In the entire history of WC we've lost Chris Judd after 6 years, Brad Ebert after 4, Koby Stevens who couldn't get a game, 27 year old Willie Rioli, free agent Scott Lycett who got a bigger contract. Am I missing anyone?

By my calcs the last flag side had 10 players from outside WA, including Jack Redden and Nathan Vardy who chose to join WC. Luke Shuey, Will Schofield, Shannon Hurn have all retired and still live in Perth and maintain involvement with the club. Being drafted to WA isn't like being written out of Neighbours or Home and Away.

I doubt Brayshaw, Serong, Darcy and Young grew up dreaming of playing for Freo. Likewise Butters and Drew at Port or most of the gun players at GC and GWS.

Pick the best available and back yourself to create a winning environment. Wasn't that long ago Brisbane lost 5 players in one trade period because the club was going nowhere. They now have Neale, Dunkley, Ah Chee, McKenna, Cameron playing for them plus Daniher, McCarthy, Gunston etc all went there.

If the draft is even then use the value of an early pick for multiple selections. Jury is out over Sheezel vs Ginbey + Hewett at this stage but I am OK with the trade. Just one of those guys and a 26 year old B grade player? NFW.