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[Dewnior]

Here's an interesting stat but I'm not surprised but considering we're only 100 year old whereas others are much older it's pretty crazy. Oh and FK = free kick not what I first thought

It's a shame the quote doesn't have a source

 

[Mitch75]

He's since put together a 43 goal season (could be a lot more if he kicked straighter) and is just 22 years old. Anyone with half a clue can see the talent and potential he has. Before all this news/rumours dropped he'd definitely still be worth a long term mega deal based on his performance and trajectory - and apparently clubs did make those offers in the last trade period.

BUT obviously he's not going to be worth risking that size deal now that information that significantly hurts his value is seemingly coming to light.

It's up to the club to do their due diligence before recruiting players. Us fans can only form our opinions on the information at hand at the time.

I’d like to think that I’ve got half a clue and I definitely don’t think he is (or was) worth a mega deal. Mega deals are for mega players. One badly thought out ‘mega deal’ can fk up a club for the next 5 years… But let’s look at it another way… who would you say has more upside right now? JUH or Calsher?

 

[cryptor]

I’d like to think that I’ve got half a clue and I definitely don’t think he is (or was) worth a mega deal. Mega deals are for mega players. One badly thought out ‘mega deal’ can fk up a club for the next 5 years… But let’s look at it another way… who would you say has more upside right now? JUH or Calsher?

I said half a clue to see the talent and potential he has. Whether or not he or anyone else is worth offering a mega deal too is another matter and far more subjective.

As for your JUH/Calsh question, I'd like to think Calsher has more upside given what he showed us in his first season and his development speed under Gunston. And if there's anything to these rumours and reports about JUH it could be limiting his own career from this point on.

However Calsher is also highly irrelevant to whether or not offering a mega deal for JUH a year ago would've been the right call at that time. Because at that time Calsher hadn't debuted and given the discussion probably occurred before the draft he wasn't even necessarily going to be on our list. We desperately needed young KPF talent at the time, and even now it probably remains our biggest list need.

We were beyond lucky to score a draft gem KPF like Calsher. We're probably still going to end up throwing a big deal at someone like Ben King.

 

[extractasam]

Kane’s response

They’ve locked away a player on a likely reduced salary for the age 24-29. Similar to our extension with Jiath this year, would be surprised if he was on the same coin as previous deal.

 

[Mitch75]

I said half a clue to see the talent and potential he has. Whether or not he or anyone else is worth offering a mega deal too is another matter and far more subjective.

As for your JUH/Calsh question, I'd like to think Calsher has more upside given what he showed us in his first season and his development speed under Gunston. And if there's anything to these rumours and reports about JUH it could be limiting his own career from this point on.

However Calsher is also highly irrelevant to whether or not offering a mega deal for JUH a year ago would've been the right call at that time. Because at that time Calsher hadn't debuted and given the discussion probably occurred before the draft he wasn't even necessarily going to be on our list. We desperately needed young KPF talent at the time, and even now it probably remains our biggest list need.

We were beyond lucky to score a draft gem KPF like Calsher. We're probably still going to end up throwing a big deal at someone like Ben King.

JUH has potential, yeah. You don’t pay $15m for ten years for potential. You pay that to a proven player with runs on the board. We would be stupid to pay anywhere near that kind of money for Ben King as well.

And it’s very much relevant. You’ve missed the point as to what a huge risk it would’ve been to pay someone like JUH $10-15m for a decade.

 

[cryptor]

JUH has potential, yeah. You don’t pay $15m for ten years for potential. You pay that to a proven player with runs on the board. We would be stupid to pay anywhere near that kind of money for Ben King as well.

And it’s very much relevant. You’ve missed the point as to what a huge risk it would’ve been to pay someone like JUH $10-15m for a decade.

JUH has potential and has put runs on the board enough by age 21/22 to convince clubs he’s worth chasing with big offers. He might be troubled at the moment but he is, or at the very least was right on the path to being one of the top few KPFs in the league.

And no, you miss the point. Everyone knows these huge deals for players who are yet to reach their full potential are very risky. But it’s a risk you have to weigh and seriously consider taking when your list is quickly tracking towards a premiership window and your key forward stocks were as worrisome as ours were at the time.

You can’t just hold out and hope to win the lottery in the form of a Calsher Dear landing on your list with a late pick and making an impact in his first year. Obviously it can and did happen for us, but that’s just incredibly good luck, not a viable list strategy.

 

[TONYC3163]

I’d like to think that I’ve got half a clue and I definitely don’t think he is (or was) worth a mega deal. Mega deals are for mega players. One badly thought out ‘mega deal’ can fk up a club for the next 5 years… But let’s look at it another way… who would you say has more upside right now? JUH or Calsher?

Hindsight is just that.

 

[Mitch75]

JUH has potential and has put runs on the board enough by age 21/22 to convince clubs he’s worth chasing with big offers. He might be troubled at the moment but he is, or at the very least was right on the path to being one of the top few KPFs in the league.

And no, you miss the point. Everyone knows these huge deals for players who are yet to reach their full potential are very risky. But it’s a risk you have to weigh and seriously consider taking when your list is quickly tracking towards a premiership window and your key forward stocks were as worrisome as ours were at the time.

You can’t just hold out and hope to win the lottery in the form of a Calsher Dear landing on your list with a late pick and making an impact in his first year. Obviously it can and did happen for us, but that’s just incredibly good luck, not a viable list strategy.

Yeah, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this. Don’t get me wrong, I think JUH is pretty good and he certainly has potential, but he’s not $1.5m a year good, yet. You have to ask the question, with so many clubs apparently throwing mega dollars at him last year, he re-signed with the Doggies. For two years. Were the dollars being thrown at him really that big? And the Doggies, rightly or wrongly, chose Naughton over him to give the mega deal to. Maybe they had to, to stave off offers from Sydney and the like. Or maybe they didn’t. But for whatever reason, they rated Naughton a higher priority, worthy of bigger dollars. I’m not sure it was that smart a move, but time will tell if that was the right move for them.

Consider also that we got almost the same number of goals as JUH kicked this year out of Mabior, whom we recruited for much less. So for mine, yeah, I’m glad we ‘missed out’ on JUH.

And I think relying in part on the draft IS a viable list strategy. Agreed, we got a little lucky that Calsher came on faster than we probably thought, but if our coach and recruiting team didn’t think he could play, they wouldn’t have wasted a pick on him. The kid clearly had something - we just got to see it earlier than we thought we would.

 

[smish]

Does anyone actually know what's going on or is it just innuendo atm? I've heard some say he's always on the bags, likes to fight people in nightclubs, likes the pokies and others say he doesn't want to be at the Dogs. Then today I read a comment saying that he's not happy with his contract which I find weird because I though he only just re-signed last year.

Mates with the bikies too.

 

[Bugs1977]

Did anyone see this post on the Doggies board?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Did anyone see this post on the Doggies board?

You need to make that an anonymous quote just FYI - otherwise it'll get removed.

 

[Bugs1977]

You need to make that an anonymous quote just FYI - otherwise it'll get removed.

Done

 

[Off The Couch]

I would be going with the bikie/drug version before that one, unless of course the family member is the bikie

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I would be going with the bikie/drug version before that one, unless of course the family member is the bikie

Would have to be something along these lines I’d say.

A mix of criminal connections and family issues combined into one big clusterduck.

Lots of players have family dramas but they don’t need to quit / leave the country to deal with it.

 

[vaughnie]

It's a shame the quote doesn't have a source

I'm assuming they got it from here:

AFL Tables - Free Kicks

Stats have only been kept since 1965.

We are the only club to have a negative free kick differential at home games too.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Bulldogs need to go talk to the Tiggers folk who kept Dusty out of trouble. Family connections and friendship circle including bikies but he got back on the rails.

 

[Bugs1977]

Bulldogs need to go talk to the Tiggers folk who kept Dusty out of trouble. Family connections and friendship circle including bikies but he got back on the rails.

I know this will probably open up a can of worms (it's a slow work day so whatever) but has it crossed anyone else's mind that JUH and his management might be looking to do a Buddy and move interstate to get away from all the family drama that he has had to deal with?

Both the Swines and Lions are crying out for a decent forward like him. In relation to his draft position JUH has been pretty underwhelming but I think in either of the Swines, Lions or even our system he'd absolutely flourish. Just like our board there's a few posters on the Doggies with silver foil hats on that seem to think this might be the doomsday scenario for them where he leaves for little in return only to then go on to kick a 100 goals for another club.

Aside from all the baggage he reportedly has to deal with I really like the kid and it would be a shame to see his career end prematurely. Hopefully that is with the Dogs and not the Swines or Lions where they snag him for a discount in which both these clubs have done in the past with Buddy + Daniher.

 

[Yardie]

I know this will probably open up a can of worms (it's a slow work day so whatever) but has it crossed anyone else's mind that JUH and his management might be looking to do a Buddy and move interstate to get away from all the family drama that he has had to deal with?

Both the Swines and Lions are crying out for a decent forward like him. In relation to his draft position JUH has been pretty underwhelming but I think in either of the Swines, Lions or even our system he'd absolutely flourish. Just like our board there's a few posters on the Doggies with silver foil hats on that seem to think this might be the doomsday scenario for them where he leaves for little in return only to then go on to kick a 100 goals for another club.

Aside from all the baggage he reportedly has to deal with I really like the kid and it would be a shame to see his career end prematurely. Hopefully that is with the Dogs and not the Swines or Lions where they snag him for a discount in which both these clubs have done in the past with Buddy + Daniher.

Swans love a KPF since they relocated.

 

[badgrill]

They've likely always been friends with those type of people also. I am sure Dustin Martin was hanging out with some interesting characters long before he was a footy player. JUH likely no different. Hopefully the Bulldogs can put the right things in place to keep him from self-destructing like the Tigers seemed to successfully do with Dusty.

I attended one of his cousin's engagement party and wedding and can confirm said characters were everywhere (majority of them were his family ofc, neck-tatts a-plenty lol) but Dusty was very well-behaved from what I saw ;-)

 

[Off The Couch]

Bulldogs need to go talk to the Tiggers folk who kept Dusty out of trouble. Family connections and friendship circle including bikies but he got back on the rails.

Aside from the chopsticks incident I don’t recall this level of murmuring about Dusty (maybe it was too long ago and I’ve just forgotten)

My take on Dusty was he knew what he wanted, was disciplined enough to live in both worlds and this is the big one, was raised in that world so there wasn’t that “fear”

I don’t think they can be compared

 

[badgrill]

Aside from the chopsticks incident I don’t recall this level of murmuring about Dusty (maybe it was too long ago and I’ve just forgotten)

My take on Dusty was he knew what he wanted, was disciplined enough to live in both worlds and this is the big one, was raised in that world so there wasn’t that “fear”

I don’t think they can be compared

100%

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Aside from the chopsticks incident I don’t recall this level of murmuring about Dusty (maybe it was too long ago and I’ve just forgotten)

My take on Dusty was he knew what he wanted, was disciplined enough to live in both worlds and this is the big one, was raised in that world so there wasn’t that “fear”

I don’t think they can be compared

I am not saying they are mirror images - however the Tigers did go to some lengths to remove influences/temptations from Dusty and surround him with better influences. There was plenty of rumour/inuendo before he became a breakout star of the competition and before the chopsticks incident. Clearly the Tigers did well to have him focus on his footy and less so on the dickhead influences that would inevitably come with the footy player lifestyle.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Sayers quits as Carlton president after being cleared by AFL investigation

Luke Sayers has quit as Carlton president despite the AFL finding that his X account was compromised and he was not responsible for posting a lewd image.

www.theage.com.au

Money may not be able to buy happiness - but I'll be damned if it can't buy your way out of trouble.

 

[kazzooka]

Sayers quits as Carlton president after being cleared by AFL investigation

Luke Sayers has quit as Carlton president despite the AFL finding that his X account was compromised and he was not responsible for posting a lewd image.

www.theage.com.au

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Money may not be able to buy happiness - but I'll be damned if it can't buy your way out of trouble.

AFL: if you resign we'll say you didn't do it.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

AFL: if you resign we'll say you didn't do it.

Given he's got a marriage to save, probably a wise choice. I was going to say a career to think about as well - but blokes like this never have a career setback from something like this.