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Clubs are meant to win a flag every 18 years on average. It’s a long time. You can do 2 solid rebuilds in that time. It’s on the club if they stuff them up.
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It’s not just about flags though, clubs should expect to play finals 5 years out of every 10, the clubs that hit rock bottom are just so far away from that, combine that with clubs like Saints, Essendon, Freo who end up in no man’s land floating between 12th and 6th but never really being a chance at success. The system is just a little bit off, and it appears the key to being a genuine premiership team is simply having luck with father sons.Clubs are meant to win a flag every 18 years on average. It’s a long time. You can do 2 solid rebuilds in that time. It’s on the club if they stuff them up.
It’s not just about flags though, clubs should expect to play finals 5 years out of every 10, the clubs that hit rock bottom are just so far away from that, combine that with clubs like Saints, Essendon, Freo who end up in no man’s land floating between 12th and 6th but never really being a chance at success. The system is just a little bit off, and it appears the key to being a genuine premiership team is simply having luck with father sons.
Chris Fagan was appointed a few weeks before the 2016 draft when we were at our absolute lowest point on and off field following multiple years of irrelevance, 2017-18 he turned the place around, the man needs a statue outside the Gabba.Lol.
Brisbane began rebuilding well before 2019; 12th in 2013, 15th in 2014, 17th in 2015, 17th in 2016, 18th in 2017, 15th in 2018. Projecting their improvement over the five seasons between 2019-2024 is the kind of analysis that keeps people away from the main board.
Just 7 years until they can be1-3 after round 4premiers.
I don't disagree.Chris Fagan was appointed a few weeks before the 2016 draft when we were at our absolute lowest point on and off field following multiple years of irrelevance, 2017-18 he turned the place around, the man needs a statue outside the Gabba.
The bulk of our flag side came to the Lions post Fagan and co being appointed.
Richmond probably a rightful exception to the rule,We didn’t do it with f/s (of note anyway) and came back from being broke. It can be done.
Lions were contending for years without Ashcroft.
Daicos came into a team that already made prelims and GF a few years before.
If these two guys were f/s to North Melbourne nobody would care.
The most important thing about finishing last is you have first choice in the PSD. Richmond are now finding clubs can’t screw them over trying to get a player for less than what they think is reasonable.Media are media they will drum up stories to keep the click count ticking over, it’s usually a long way from reality.
West Coast, North & Richmond should be using the PSD to their advantage there is no way they should be wasting draft picks on uncontracted players when they are available on a bosman.
Are you enjoying the eagles current rebuild?Sure - I guess the question is whether that price is disproportionately high.
The idea of priority picks in the past was that if you had teams who were down the bottom for long enough, they'd get more bites of the cherry at the draft. The implementation of this was flawed, as it appeared to incentivise tanking, but the objective wasn't bad.
Good point. 3 preliminary finals in from 1995 to 2024 (2006, 2013 and 2015).Freo? 7 finals wins in 30 years yeah? Jog on.
Clubs are meant to win a flag every 18 years on average. It’s a long time. You can do 2 solid rebuilds in that time. It’s on the club if they stuff them up.
True....The AFL want the expansion teams playing finals to grow the game and TV rights.
That is why they get additional access to top accademy players olus father son and free agency access.
Totally throws out the everyone is equal and one win every 18 year theory.
Not a bad line up of Assistant coaches the demons had in 2021.If it really is a 6-7 year process, and melbourne may have been a faster rebuild than most.
Roos handing over to Goodwin at the time may have helped, but what if its a current coach whos been there 2-4 years already?
Even then Goody seems to be the only coach to survive? How does the club keep everyone on message if deliberately not prioritising a winning culture?
current melbourne coaches;
Head coach
Assistant coaches
2016 melbourne coaches
- Alan Richardson (GM of AFL football performance)
- Adem Yze (midfield)
- Troy Chaplin (defence)
- Greg Stafford (forwards)
- Mark Williams (head of development)
Head coach
Assistant coaches
- Simon Goodwin (senior assistant)
- Brendan McCartney (development and strategy)
- Ben Mathews (stoppages)
- Jade Rawlings (defence)
- Greg Stafford (ruck)
- Daniel McPherson (senior development)
- Brett Allison (head of development)
- Shannon Byrnes (welfare and development)
- Daniel Cross (rehab and development)
Do you rate the North years under Scott ? Do you regard the rebuild as starting under Shaw?
So going by that view... eagles were 17th in 2022. So flag in 2024 then.Does Melbourne winning a flag make a case either way? I don't buy the argument that they turned it around quickly, despite finishing 17th in 2019. The list build took several years. But it also shows it can be done if you draft well.
No, it just usually takes club too long to identify that a rebuild is required and then fully commit to it.
Yes, exactly like thatLike trading in Taranto and Hopper when they should have hit the draft?
Tigers are only just now fully commiting because 4 players decided to leave and force their hand.
Lets see how long this takes them with no AFL handouts or luck dips with father sons.
Collingwood have made the call that the draft is broken. They and Geelong dont rebuild. They tap into trades and free agency to avaoid rebuilding. Some clubs can do that. Others dont have the same access to the players teade market.
Like trading in Taranto and Hopper when they should have hit the draft?
Tigers are only just now fully commiting because 4 players decided to leave and force their hand.
Lets see how long this takes them with no AFL handouts or luck dips with father sons.
Collingwood have made the call that the draft is broken. They and Geelong dont rebuild. They tap into trades and free agency to avaoid rebuilding. Some clubs can do that. Others dont have the same access to the players teade market.