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The biggest concern for me is that it's starting to look like we're going away from the things we should have learned last year.
Injury management
Trac and Salem shouldn't have played last night. They both looked a long way off it for much of the game. In hindsight, we probably should have rested Grundy last week too (Gawn and Grundy reversed their usual numbers for time in the middle last night).
Midfield spread
Including last night, our midfield spread for centre bounce attendances has looked like this (for the main players, and minus the rucks)
2023 Average (inc last night)
Clayton Oliver 82.8
Jack Viney 64.0
Christian Petracca 62.4
Tom Sparrow 40.7
James Harmes 27.5
James Jordon 20.4
Kysaiah Pickett 17.9
Last night only
Clayton Oliver 91
Jack Viney 77
Christian Petracca 64
Angus Brayshaw 36
Kysaiah Pickett 14
Alex Neal-Bullen 9
James Jordon 9
That's the concern going forward for me, but IMO we lost mostly due to our issues with dealing with pressure in defensive 50. Port had 18 tackles inside 50. Bryne-Jones averages around 1 tackle inside 50 per game, last night he had 7. Ground balls inside defensive 50 remain a massive issue I reckon, and the panic seems real when we keep seeing our key forwards deep at that end of the ground. Lots to sort out there I reckon.
Injury management
Trac and Salem shouldn't have played last night. They both looked a long way off it for much of the game. In hindsight, we probably should have rested Grundy last week too (Gawn and Grundy reversed their usual numbers for time in the middle last night).
Midfield spread
Including last night, our midfield spread for centre bounce attendances has looked like this (for the main players, and minus the rucks)
2023 Average (inc last night)
Clayton Oliver 82.8
Jack Viney 64.0
Christian Petracca 62.4
Tom Sparrow 40.7
James Harmes 27.5
James Jordon 20.4
Kysaiah Pickett 17.9
Last night only
Clayton Oliver 91
Jack Viney 77
Christian Petracca 64
Angus Brayshaw 36
Kysaiah Pickett 14
Alex Neal-Bullen 9
James Jordon 9
That's the concern going forward for me, but IMO we lost mostly due to our issues with dealing with pressure in defensive 50. Port had 18 tackles inside 50. Bryne-Jones averages around 1 tackle inside 50 per game, last night he had 7. Ground balls inside defensive 50 remain a massive issue I reckon, and the panic seems real when we keep seeing our key forwards deep at that end of the ground. Lots to sort out there I reckon.
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The entire momentum of the game/the game was decided on the back of clearances. Shocked that you dont identify this as the issue.
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Firstly, I was talking about the mix in the middle, we won the centre clearances.
Secondly, as above, Port had 18 tackles inside 50, well over their season average. Clearly they had a plan to expose our defence with forward pressure and ground ball gets, areas we are weak this year.
As I've talked about a bit, with plenty of evidence to back it up, we don't play a clearance focused style, all the stats tell you that, but we don't want to be losing clearances badly either. We rely heavily on pressure due to that, and our pressure wasn't at the level last night. Losing the disposal count by over 30 but also losing the tackle count is simply not good enough.
Despite winning the centre clearances, we lost the inside 50 count, which is against the trend for us being the number 1 team in the league for that particular stat. So the pressure, particularly the post-clearance pressure was poor given it's a key pillar of our style.
All the above is backed up by the stat trends and the stats from last night's game. It's not 2006 anymore, it's not all about "win the clearances" and "just kick it long!".
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I like all those suggestions.
Don't know if Howes or Woey are ready yet, but it would be great to have Howes up forward when he is.
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Didn't it start to fall apart for us last year when we changed the name?
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Did Oliver get pinned for throwing twice when he did legitimate handballs last night or am I a one eyed supporter? Seemed like the umpire reacted to the crowd screaming throw when they were handballs.
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I meant his name.
One for the haiku thread (nearly)
**** we are a mile off the side that won the flag. 21' every single person accepted and executed their role, particularly when we didnt have the ball- absolutely miles off that. In all our losses this year our intensity around the contest drops off a cliff. We aren't a top 4 side, huge improvements needed.
I actually think the Magpies are not missing Grundy one iota, his last two seasons with us were poor form and long injuries.
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Grundy really wasn't bad, was certainly better than Max. At one point he was our only clearance mid and was following up the ruck contests as first tackler. He is not, and has never been, a strong contested mark. If that's what we recruited him to do, then Grawndy will fail.
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I didnt say anything about kick it long did I? In fact im a massive hater on kick it long in general. How about win a clearance and hit a target?
That being said, if youre ever going to kick it long, out of the centre clearance would be the time to do it given the 6/6/6 rules.
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Speaking of the 6/6/6 rules, why do us nuffies seem to give away a free a week at least to this?
Young side. Still plenty of learnings.
Young side. Still plenty of learnings.
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Losing sucks.
the melts are like a warm blanket though.
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Does he make the side better? JVR pushed up the ground coz TMac is there. Tell me he couldn't have done what TMac did last night if he was the deep forward. Probably doesnt give away those two free kicks in defense either.
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The JVR at half back move was big brain stuff from Goody. Hard to see where it went wrong.
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If he was the deep forward he wouldnt have been there. Cant believe we have him doing the Petty donkey work. Absolutely ******ed stuff. Playing talls for the sake of a stupid structure that makes us worse. Fritsch was the best hit up option high last night.
Wait for him to be dropped for not following the system by breaking lines through the middle before hitting a leading target on the chest, instead of bombing long down the wing.
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The cliff is coming for several - I agree with you there. But I still feel like we should be contending this year, but the effort and intensity isn't high enough. Last night was a perfect example. Poor in the first half, and then suddenly they flick the switch in the 3rd and they completely outplay the opposition. Then in the last quarter, the same level wasn't maintained - all due respect to Port for the comeback, of course. But we have a superior team to Port, even with certain weaknesses. We just didn't will it to a win like we would have 2 years ago. Gawn allowing himself to be hassled, and his teammates allowing him to be hassled felt emblematic of the lack of mongrel in our team this year. We haven't even played a lot of the better teams yet, so it's going to be a confronting time ahead.
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