List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[stallon]

I don't agree. With two more top 15 picks this year, we are going to have a stack load of players under the age of 22. Baker, Graham and Owies make us better next year instantly, so I'm optimistic we can finish somewhere in the 10 to 14 range on the ladder, and I'm not convinced Hawthorn will have linear improvement. With a stacked draft this year, I'd rather take a punt on getting another top 15 pick this year rather than keep our 1st rounder for next year.

Our own f1 is worth more than pick 10. I wouldnt move it for less than something similar to 10+18 or a top 7 pick. Id prefer the 2 picks than the 1 top 7 pick.
Easily rather dump our f1 than the hawks f1 too

 

[eaglespremiers]

Our own f1 is worth more than pick 10. I wouldnt move it for less than something similar to 10+18 or a top 7 pick. Id prefer the 2 picks than the 1 top 7 pick.
Easily rather dump our f1 than the hawks f1 too

We'd be lucky to get pick 20 for Hawthorn's future 1st.

 

[Jupes]

if we have a hole in the list at 26-28 that's great because that's free agency age and they're free. zero need to commit to baker and flush 3 down the shitter.

 

[stallon]

We'd be lucky to get pick 20 for Hawthorn's future 1st.

Tbh im not even thinking about trading it.
I want it to be used for Warner, and if we dont get Warner at least we have something in the first round next year.

Trade our own f1, if we cant get a decent buyer then use 2nd rounders to get another pick or 2

 

[kingerzz]

The Warner shit is worrying because it seems that we’ve already put all our eggs in that basket a year in advance and “made a commitment to Chad”. ie. we’re going to get shafted again next year because we’ve already boxed ourselves into a corner whilst some very good players could be available at the picks we’d have to give up.

If we’re all in on Chad then our F1 simply has to be brought forward to limit the damage. “Can’t trade what we don’t have” seems to be how others go about it so we need to get creative. F1 for a top 10 pick this year, offer Hawks F1 and our 2026 F1 for Warner.

Yep this is exactly what I was thinking.

We'll also have multiple later picks in 2025 which we can use on the 2 NGAs and the father son we'll have.

I'd be looking at 6 (maybe a stretch) or perhaps 10 & 18 for our F1 (or something similar). However Clark being in charge of this makes me nervous as he could trade it for a pack of twisties.

The following year we then do our 2026 first and Hawthorn's 2025 F1 for Warner as you've suggested. The additions of Warner and a fourth year Harley (addition of Warner helps convince him to re-sign), development of our current crop plus the 2024 & 2025 draft classes hopefully means that the 2026 first we gave Sydney is only 10 at worst.

The net result being we've brought forward 2 years of draft development (2024 class), secured Harley's signature & brought Warner to the club

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Two of them are barely best 22.
And, TBH, I would rather see Long and Dewar get consistent games that Owies.
Let alone what this means for the future of Brockman.

I'm not so sure about that - Owies would have been our 2nd highest goal scorer this year and last year. Bringing in a 30 goal a year forward is nothing to snear at. See him more replacing Cripps. Long is B22 & Dewar will get opportunities. Brockman needs to show more.

Graham is no star, but raises the floor of our B22 - he also had a pretty reasonable season for his position

 

[Keys]

Based on roughly where bids for Ashcroft, Lombard, Kako and Marshall might come and with the picks currently held by the respective clubs the late picks we hold (73,81) will come into 65 and 73 which is 99 points. That covers a bid from pick 49 onwards

To give an idea of the impact of the new points system being implemented in 2025 - Brisbane holds picks 27,34,42,43 plus later picks. That group of 4 picks covers a bid at pick 2 this year but only a bid at pick 8 next year. It’s going to be a lot harder to drop back in the draft to accumulate points from multiple picks to match early bids especially

Of relevance to us, Hawthorn’s F2 if they finish 6th again so notionally pick 31 would only cover a bid for Banfield at 29. Adding our F3 (~39) would cover a bid at pick 20

 

[Elite Pete]

What's the bet we trade Hawks f1 for Richmond's 10 or 11 pick?

I reckon we would have to get in early. Both make sense if they want to move up to 2 with the Roos.

6 + 18 might was well

 

[kranky al]

I'm not so sure about that - Owies would have been our 2nd highest goal scorer this year and last year. Bringing in a 30 goal a year forward is nothing to snear at. See him more replacing Cripps. Long is B22 & Dewar will get opportunities. Brockman needs to show more.

Graham is no star, but raises the floor of our B22 - he also had a pretty reasonable season for his position

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He’s been on the end of a (currently) better midfield.

 

[PepperTom32]

Interesting to hear M. Clarke say it’s important what the newly signed players will bring on-field, but MORE IMPORTANTLY what they’ll bring off-field. Maybe a slip of the tongue.

I get training standards and all that but surely we recruited for game day performance first and foremost.

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

I wouldn’t be as disappointed if the shafting included Matt Kennedy instead of Owies, Kennedy is exactly what we have been missing and actually need and is in that “age bracket” we wanted

 

[FKASC]

I'm not so sure about that - Owies would have been our 2nd highest goal scorer this year and last year. Bringing in a 30 goal a year forward is nothing to snear at. See him more replacing Cripps. Long is B22 & Dewar will get opportunities. Brockman needs to show more.

Graham is no star, but raises the floor of our B22 - he also had a pretty reasonable season for his position

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Carlton were top 3 on the ladder until late in the season. We were bottom 3. Naturally that means it’s hard to compare apples and apples with regard to goalkicking performance.

It shouldn’t be considered an indicator of quality. If Waterman played for Sydney this year he would’ve kicked 100

Fingers crossed Owies does well, but my main concern is that we tend to give too much rope to players newly traded in, which just stunts the development of our existing youth.

Will be interesting to see how McQualter goes in this regard

 

[marcus1232]

You guys had the worst trade of the trade period

Then probably my favourite trade ever.
You had the option of Carlton or Hawks pick but went all in on all of the hawks Futures.
Love it.
Now we all just need second year up letdown which is a real thing. Hawks are going into a tougher bracket

 

[Barrybran]

Interesting to hear M. Clarke say it’s important what the newly signed players will bring on-field, but MORE IMPORTANTLY what they’ll bring off-field. Maybe a slip of the tongue.

I get training standards and all that but surely we recruited for game day performance first and foremost.

Culture starts off field. Obviously we feel we need good people around our kids as much as we need talent on field.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

For those interested in Matt Clarke's rationalisation his 6pr interview.

Can’t actually bring myself to listen to it. It’ll just make me angrier

 

[swingdog]

At least enjoyed this Bulldogs fan's reaction to their trades:

 

[Obeanie1]

Allan or Travaglia? I would be happy with either, truth be said. We will likely go Bo Allan though, the local lad.

Watch Melbourne take him with 9.

Possibly even 5.

In fact can see them taking both Bo and Travagalia with 5 and 9.

 

[briztoon]

Yes but gained an (albeit lower) future first and an extra future second and third rounder. And with the inclusion of two year future picks next year, there will be plenty of mechanisms to get up higher in the draft next year if we want.

This.

If next year’s draft is as compromised as a lot of posters are speculating, there should be a few teams looking to split mid to late first round picks for extra points.

You now have 2 third round picks to add to 2 second round picks to try and get 2 more picks in next year’s first round.

 

[EagleEgo]

Who should be considered for DFA or SSP?
1. Braydon Preuss

11

Braydon Preuss

Age

29

Ht

207cm

Wt

118kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.1

3star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

20.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

26.2

5star

? (We need a stronger ruckman)
2. Isiah Winder ? (Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

mark II)

 

[Obeanie1]

Woww thank **** Sydney lost. There's no way Warner is worth Two firsts, which let's be honest will be top 3 picks and a second rounder?!

****ing Tim Kelly 2.0, but on steroids given we are rising from the bottom of a closet clean..

And if we hold pick 3 next year Swans will demand it.

Trade it and get another couple of 1st this year. Use Hawks F1st for Warner plus our 2026 1st if need be.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

This.

If next year’s draft is as compromised as a lot of posters are speculating, there should be a few teams looking to split mid to late first round picks for extra points.

You now have 2 third round picks to add to 2 second round picks to try and get 2 more picks in next year’s first round.

We've also got a father son & a couple NGA's we'll need points for, so chances are a lot of our draft capital next year is getting chewed up to match bids.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I hope we don't trade out any of the future picks into this draft, unless it's for a no brainer deal.

Take the picks into next year for Warner, or to take advantage of all the demand for points from teams.

 

[Spongeycircles]

The top 6 or so from this year is significantly better than the next tier. Lalor, Draper, Smith, FOS, Reid, Langford Smillie are leagues ahead of the next tiers. Got to hope like hell that Melbourne and Richmond load up on talls and hope that Lindsay or Tobie are available at 12 massive balls up by list management.

My bet is a miracle will occur and TT will fall through. And we still choose Bo.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Interesting to hear M. Clarke say it’s important what the newly signed players will bring on-field, but MORE IMPORTANTLY what they’ll bring off-field. Maybe a slip of the tongue.

I get training standards and all that but surely we recruited for game day performance first and foremost.

Ive been told that the training standard of the credit crew is very poor. The hardest trainers at the club are guys like Waterman, Ginbey, Chesser ect majority of the younger players

Leadership comes in different forms and its more important than skill

I once worked for a company that had all the techniques skills at the top, but poor leadership. There was a change at sole upper levels, good leaders but no where close to the skills required, but guess what? After 12 months business doubled, then doubled again after 24 months

To be a successful clubs, takes more than top 10 picks otherwise Melbourne would of won multiple flags, Carlton have only played in 2 finals and North are North

 

[WCE_Phill]

We've also got a father son & a couple NGA's we'll need points for, so chances are a lot of our draft capital next year is getting chewed up to match bids.

I know its early but what ranges are Banfield, Wally and Evans expected to land?