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Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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In the minority here but pretty happy to get Baker on board. I like him and he'll add a lot

Hopefully it's 13 for Baker and 21 or something along those lines. Maybe Culley gets thrown in.

SURELY, our recruiters are well aware of the quality in this draft and we don't toss all our picks away
 
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If its 13 straight up, I hope its at least Baker and Bolton for 13.
Richmond fans reading this will think its massive overs, but as is 13 for Baker straight up - considering the landscape of our list and where we are in our rebuild to be honest.
 

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If Richmond really expect 13 for baker I’d be ensuring graham nets them start of second compo and asking for that back our way. Otherwise would pay graham proper value so they get worse compo for screwing us


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Like a lot of you, I'd prefer to give Richmond our F2 for Baker and just call it a day. However, if the rumoured Barrass and Baker deals are on the money(could be way off I know), then this is how it will end up if we combine the 2 trades.

WCE out: Barrass, WCE F2
WCE in: Baker, HAW F1, 22

By going from Barrass to Baker, we get Hawthorn's F1 and upgrade our F2 into a better second a year sooner. Not exactly fold the club territory.
 
DRK_13 said:
Why would Twomey mention Pick 13 in the same tweet as the Baker nomination? Vic-bias Speculation, or something we dont know
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Need to wait for the whole deal, so many just jumping at shadows. I get there concerns especially if it was pick 13 for Baker.

I’ve said numerous times that he’s worth a second round pick in my opinion. That’s fair and reasonable for both clubs. When we see the whole deal hopefully that’s what it looks like.
 
mitchzz said:
In the minority here but pretty happy to get Baker on board. I like him and he'll add a lot

Hopefully it's 13 for Baker and 21 or something along those lines. Maybe Culley gets thrown in.

SURELY, our recruiters are well aware of the quality in this draft and we don't toss all our picks away
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having seen Baker a lot live, he's quality. You can't see it all on tv, the team things, the example. You can't lose on that deal. Trust me.
 
Bacchus said:
Let’s not stop with half measures for Baker with #13 and throw in #3 as well.

That would really give the Richmond rebuild a flying head start with a dodgy free kick and a couple of fifties for good measure.
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sounds good, tee it up.
 
"Pick 13 is the starting point" quite obviously means it's what Richmond will ask for, not what we will just hand over.

I wonder if the club should use this to go and ask the AFL for a priority pick that would get the deal done. Decent way for them to help two struggling clubs at once without giving up nearly as much as they did to north.
 
Spod said:
"Pick 13 is the starting point" quite obviously means it's what Richmond will ask for, not what we will just hand over.

I wonder if the club should use this to go and ask the AFL for a priority pick that would get the deal done. Decent way for them to help two struggling clubs at once without giving up nearly as much as they did to north.
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Two 'struggling clubs' among the highest memberships and at least one flag in the past 5 years. Fantasy land.
 

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Hope its a wild guess.

Perth Journos also "reporting" (speculating) Pick 13 as the starting point. Surely that starting point is a long way from the "finishing point"

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Pick 13 is the starting point for the Barrass to Hawks deal, not Baker to the Eagles.
 
F**king spew and bile if the club uses 13 in any way to get L.Baker.


He's coming out of contract, has nominated West Coast and Richmond want him out the door for picks.

It's also questionable what gain the Eagles will have from trading in a player that will be 27 next year considering how far the squad is away from contending.

West Coast holds all the cards here. Time to be campaigners like Geelong at the trade table. Offer next year's F3 and nothing more.


If the Tigers don't like that, I don't give a toss. If he really wants to come to WA and Richmond won't be reasonable, we walk him to the PSD.


The club needs pick 13 far more than it ever needs L.Baker.
 
A fascinating prospect for 2025, likely to fall somewhere towards the pointy end of the draft. The question to be answered is where his best position will end up being, and this game didn't get us any closer to an answer. Starting off playing as a key defender, he moved up the ground in the second half to play as a midfielder and looked more assured in there having a greater influence on the game with his size, movement and penetrating boot.

 
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Players traded out :

Barass - pick 13 is a given so it becomes what else Hawthorn attach to that as the interesting part of the trade. Pick 30 would be handy but unlikely to be offered as it would leave Hawthorn as a non factor in this draft since their first pick would be 67

Consensus seems to be we’ll ask for their F1 but with something going back. Probably our F2. If that’s the case I’d be pushing for Hawthorn’s F2 making the trade Barrass for 13,F1 and a swap of F2s (If positions are the same as 2024 then that trade is Barrass and 21 for 13,13 and 31 before shenanigans)

Darling - far simpler proposition. Would like to get 40 off North and send 59 back with Darling but that won’t happen. Instead it’s more likely to be Darling for pick 64 and thank him for his service. Maybe we haggle for 58 but it’s not much difference at that point of the draft

Rotham - a small possibility he gets picked up as a FA with a contract of sufficient length and value to generate band 5 compo which would be pick 42. We can but dream Crazy Vozzo and Rosa do us a solid with Dodoro gone

So best case scenario from the above is we hold picks 3,13,23,42,59,64 in this year’s draft plus 2xF1 picks (ours and Hawthorns), Hawthorns F2 and our F3,F4 and onwards

Then how best to use those assets in either trades or take to the draft

Trades/FA in :

FA - if we get the Rotham compensation mentioned above then Graham is no longer free as we’d lose that pick if we sign Graham as a FA. So bypass him and chase Parfitt as a DFA who’s roughly equivalent in ability and won’t jeopardise that pick

Peatling is the dream but if he does decide to leave GWS he has better suitors than us. That makes Garcia the next best player we’ve been linked to - ideally our F3 would be enough but expect the Bulldogs to request the Rotham compo pick if that happens, which I’d do - maybe with their F4 coming back

Then Carroll or Robertson depending on which of them asks to be traded to us. Probably Robertson. Send Brisbane the 64 we got for Darling, 59 if we’re feeling benevolent

Finally, the most controversial potential acquisition - Liam Baker. He unquestionably improves our best 22 but trade cost has always been the issue. Suggestions are that it’s pick 13 for Baker and 21 which is likely fair value but I’d rather send the Hawthorn F1 instead of 13

Best case scenario from all the above is :

Out: Barrass, Darling, Rotham (with FA compo), F2
In: Baker, Garcia, Robertson, Parfitt, 21, F2(Haw), F4(WB)

Draft picks 2024 - 3,13,21,23,59
Draft picks 2025 - R1,R2(Haw),R3,R4,R4(WB)

Need to open up 9 list spots so

Barrass, Darling, Rotham - Trade/FA
Jones, Trew, Baker - Already delisted
Witherden, L Edwards, one of Culley or Burgiel - to be delisted

Would be happy if Clark can pull that off albeit I think I’d rather use/keep the picks than trade them for Baker
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Pick 30 is very likely otherwise they're offering a future 1st or 2nd ...they have little interest in this draft...they're all about player movements
 
In all honesty if we give up pick 13 for Liam Baker im putting 100 on him to win the Brownlow.

Ill back Matt Clarke in here on this one.... cos im assuming he thinks he will win the Brownlow
 
If baker is worth 13 imagine what Harley would net us if he ever requested a trade


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