COLLINGWOOD. NEXT 5 YEARS?

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1. 30 is a myth:
In the modern game assuming a player takes decent care of themselves its usually 33 where players tend to fall off a cliff. For really exceptional players who take amazing care of themselves, I think with some luck 36 is realistic albeit their importance in the 22 for onfield contribution tends to diminish from ages 33-36, eg. Travis Boak. Here are the ages of our veterans as of the start of next season. Clearly the top 4 in age are pretty old, and basically could retire at any point, though I wouldn't rule any of them out to play on in 2026, however I'd probably predict 2 of these 4 to retire after the 2025 season. Given that he's already 36 and still playing fine, would people really be shocked or have a problem with it if Pendles was still playing on in 2027?

2. Looking at the rest of the veterans:

Titch - because of his recent injury struggles wouldn't rule out him retiring after the 2025 season, but I hope he can overcome this situation and have a good enough 2025 season such that he plays on in 2026 - and lets see where he's at come the end of 2026.

Checkers and Elliot - The way both play both get pretty battered up and crunched in games. 2026 season could be either's last but it would be great if both could at least make it until the end of 2027. And because of how both get real battered up hopefully neither get really unlucky next season touch wood as a forced early retirement would be a real shame.

WHE and Crisp - Both super professional players who take amazing care of themselves and don't really miss games, despite being 31 at the start of next season I wouldn't be shocked if either was still playing in 2029. Risk of impending retirement with these fellas is overrated af, to the extent where I don't even really include them in the group of 7 above who I see as potential retirements over the next 2 seasons. Not to mention both Crisp and WHE tend to be less in and under and more outside, so neither of them seem to get battered up quite as much as the likes of guys like Mihocek, Titch or Elliott. However, when either loses their pace we'll see how they adapt. Even if their body is fine, if they can't adapt to losing a bit of speed like how Sidey or Pendles has then we could see these guys not lasting beyond 2027.

3. Replacing the 7 oldies of concern:
I'm not saying hes as good but Perryman is slated to be a defensive-minded inside mid for us and therefore appears to be Pendlebury's long term replacement. Perryman is only 25 and is actually younger than Josh Daicos! So he could have closer to a decade left of footy left in him (8 years if you consider 33 to be the age players retire at). Sidenote but Houston is obviously the direct replacement for the only best 22 player we've lost in this trade period Noble. Similar to Perryman and Josh Daicos, Houston is the same age but actually slightly younger than Noble so this change doesn't affect our age profile.

Also, Harvey Harrison, I'm fully sold on this player, from what we've already seen I'm very confident that he'll make it long term, its a huge shame he did his ACL but as long as his recovery is managed correctly which it will be I'm confident we'll have a best 22 player there for the 2026 season and hopefully for many many years beyond (with no preseason I'm not sure how much of an impact he can have in the 2025 season so I'm just being conservative saying 2026 though I wouldn't be shocked if he did have some impact in 2025). He's already shown a lot at AFL level, more than enough for me to think he could be a fine replacement for...Elliott, long term, even if he's a different kind of small forward to Elliott. Touch wood Harvey Harrison has a good run with injuries from here.

We have to hope that some of the young players that we already have kick on, in particular first round picks Ed Allan and Harry DeMattia. That would definitely go a long way towards evolving the side for the long term.

And obviously, we can continue to top up the side with ready made players, whether thats through free agency, trade or even some handy DFA pickups or PSS players who could add to our list. Right now, I still feel as though we need to replace 5 out of those 7 players who might retire soon, but we should have 1-2 more years and offseasons to attempt to do so. Furthermore, despite not having a first round pick next year I've most recently seen McGuane projected at pick 10 for next year's draft. He sounds like a winger, and if he is top 10 level, hopefully even better, then boom theres your long term Sidebottom replacement.

Have a great day folks! :)
 
Have been wondering, why did Graham Wright and Bolton leave?
is it just normal switching for opportunities or some personality clashes?
 

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Have been wondering, why did Graham Wright and Bolton leave?
is it just normal switching for opportunities or some personality clashes?
wright: Didnt' get on well with Kelly lately plus he wanted a role change. Basically something similar to the job that Kelly has -- hence why he will be CEO of Carlton next year

Bolton - Looks like he wanted to transition back into a football role, after holding the GM this year and got offered one.
 
wright: Didnt' get on well with Kelly lately plus he wanted a role change. Basically something similar to the job that Kelly has -- hence why he will be CEO of Carlton next year

Bolton - Looks like he wanted to transition back into a football role, after holding the GM this year and got offered one.
ok thanks.
 
just saw the rundown on the AFL site of all the players retiring in their early 30s. I bet the other teams are going to try to steal the ways that we keep pendles going until he's 40....must be that skin cream that the wife gave him
 
I was an advocate for Sidey to be tapped on the shoulder at the end of this year, despite some really good form in patches during the season.
At the end of 2025, Id say Cox, Sidebottom, Mitchell, Checkers and possibly Howe and Elliot all hang em up.
2026 WHE, Pendles will go.
If Allen is getting a fairly regular look at it in the seniors in 2025 (before becoming a best 22 in 2026) and hopefully some games into DiMattia, we will be sweet.

Parker looked a player and Harvey Harrison also looks the goods. So we have some solid guys coming through, even before we look at any potential FAs next year that we would be a shot at.
The media love to make it a massive issue because its Collingwood and it sells papers and generates clicks.
 
Our best and most important irreplaceable player is 21. That’s all that matters

Not really.

Shithouse teams often have great players too.

Chris Judd (The Carlton years)
Gary Ablett Jnr (The Suns’ years)
Plugger / Barry Hall (The St Kilda years)
Robbie Flower / Gary Lyon / Jim Stynes (Melbourne)

The only thing a great player guarantees you is great wall posters.
 
Collingwood over the next five years?

2025 Premiers, of course!
2026 Lose in Prelim Final
2027 Lose in Elim Final
2028 14th
2029 19th


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I think next year will see Billy and Tommy Mitchell hang em up, the following year '26 it'll be Sidey, Cox and Howe and in 2027 Pendles will finally call it a day alongside Checkers.
All the way through we'll keep adding pieces along the way, the current recruiting and talent spotting team are on top of it and as long as we keep Fly, Leppa, and the coaching gang together we'll be right in the mix. Love him or hate him Ned Kelly has added a more competitive edge to our player acquisition scheme and I like that we're not being pushed around by player managers anymore.
That's very optimistic re Pendles.
 
Not really.

Shithouse teams often have great players too.

Chris Judd (The Carlton years)
Gary Ablett Jnr (The Suns’ years)
Plugger / Barry Hall (The St Kilda years)
Robbie Flower / Gary Lyon / Jim Stynes (Melbourne)

The only thing a great player guarantees you is great wall posters.

Harder to find a generational star than a bunch of role players
 
Not really.

Shithouse teams often have great players too.

Chris Judd (The Carlton years)
Gary Ablett Jnr (The Suns’ years)
Plugger / Barry Hall (The St Kilda years)
Robbie Flower / Gary Lyon / Jim Stynes (Melbourne)

The only thing a great player guarantees you is great wall posters.

They are also great to watch in your teams colours.

Buckley years whilst the team was shit for half of it, he still provided us all hope and was brilliant to watch him tear the comp apart. Even better when the side started winning.
 

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They are also great to watch in your teams colours.

Buckley years whilst the team was shit for half of it, he still provided us all hope and was brilliant to watch him tear the comp apart. Even better when the side started winning.

Sure.

It’s totally cool if you’re happy to pay the price of admission to watch your hero run around while his team-mates make him look like superman. That’s what brings many footy fans joy.

It’s just that that’s not the same thing as team success.
 
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I wish for Elliott's sake that was how it worked, but the blokes who play until old don't usually have a big injury history.
I think this is slowly changing. Linc McCarthy is essentially the same player as Elliott and has missed much more footy, but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t have a further two years in him.

IMO, it’s the body contact that gets those guys in the end. Mihocek is one that concerns beyond 2025 because his bash and crash style is historically hard to keep up into your mid 30’s. Unless we can really look after him next year I’m afraid the end could come quick.
 
Harder to find a generational star than a bunch of role players

Not necessarily.

Just need to clear out the salary cap, bank maximum trade currency, and then go after the best player in the comp.

It’s what Carlton did with Chris Judd.
 
Not necessarily.

Just need to clear out the salary cap, bank maximum trade currency, and then go after the best player in the comp.

It’s what Carlton did with Chris Judd.

Not being a smart arse. But was this sarcasm?

Best example would be Geelong obtaining Dangerfield.

Both situations we dont have to worry about , as we just need to slot in players around Nick
 
I think this is slowly changing. Linc McCarthy is essentially the same player as Elliott and has missed much more footy, but I’d be surprised if he doesn’t have a further two years in him.

IMO, it’s the body contact that gets those guys in the end. Mihocek is one that concerns beyond 2025 because his bash and crash style is historically hard to keep up into your mid 30’s. Unless we can really look after him next year I’m afraid the end could come quick.
Agree with you on Checkers.

I think there's a couple of factors with the guys who do or don't go on for a long time:

Style: If they're really reliant on the bash and crash or their physical advantages, once they wane a bit physically they're in trouble.

Injuries: injuries are the best predictor of futrue injuries and when an old bloke gets a few injuries in succession, they tend to get moved on.
 
Not being a smart arse. But was this sarcasm?

Best example would be Geelong obtaining Dangerfield.

Both situations we dont have to worry about , as we just need to slot in players around Nick

No sarcasm at all.

Somebody was suggesting getting generational players was difficult. I was just pointing out that it’s not that difficult and one method for doing it. You’ve added yet another method.

Getting a generational player AND getting team success is a lot harder.

Geelong with Dangerfield managed it.

As have Brisbane with Neale

But Carlton with Judd didn’t.

And Suns with GAJ + kazillion of first round picks didn’t.

Swans with Franklin, and us with Buckley did OK without winning a Premiership.
 
No sarcasm at all.

Somebody was suggesting getting generational players was difficult. I was just pointing out that it’s not that difficult and one method for doing it. You’ve added yet another method.

Getting a generational player AND getting team success is a lot harder.

Geelong with Dangerfield managed it.

As have Brisbane with Neale

But Carlton with Judd didn’t.

And Suns with GAJ + kazillion of first round picks didn’t.

Swans with Franklin, and us with Buckley did OK without winning a Premiership.

Well they are as how many have we had. Short of it is , we build around Naicos. We can add parts to the list without sabotaging our list
 
2 more flags as I so want to experience a dynasty era once in my lifetime.
Billy, Howe, Sidey, and possibly Mitchell retire end of 2025.
Pendles, Cox and Checkers end of 2026.
We'll keep adding quality and role players via FA & trading next 2 years.
Reckon from end of 2027 we will hit the draft hard.
 

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