Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

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Does anyone think that if objects found at each of the crime scenes were linked to the accused in some way or to other victims, we as the public would have found out by now? Likewise with any possible trophies? Would these have been brought up in pretrial if there were anything of significance? I am of the opinion that what we know about so far (DNA, telstra item/s, fibres) are only the tip of the iceberg.
 
55/56 days and with heavy winter rains...
Is it not well known that's impossible to find dna with the state of decomposition that the body was in, after the weeks / time dead ?

And yet, they did. Under Ciara's nails.
 
Does anyone think that if objects found at each of the crime scenes were linked to the accused in some way or to other victims, we as the public would have found out by now? Likewise with any possible trophies? Would these have been brought up in pretrial if there were anything of significance? I am of the opinion that what we know about so far (DNA, telstra item/s, fibres) are only the tip of the iceberg.
I think there is other evidence, hence the SS charge.
 

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I am pretty sure that if there was any other evidence, it would have to have been disclosed during discovery.....

We don't have a witness list yet, there might be something else in there. No mention yet either of his medical reports, the psyche assessments and what the prosecution might draw from any of those.
 
Which psych assessments??

There were a couple of court ordered assessments made on BRE over the HH attack, a psychologist and a psychiatrist. My guess is he was already seeing one of them before the attack, the psychiatrist who went on the record doubting the simplicity of his excuse in attacking the social worker. He was subsequently ordered onto a sex offenders course.

And we'll likely be hearing from a forensic psychologist/psychiatrist as well at some stage through the trial.
 
I am pretty sure that if there was any other evidence, it would have to have been disclosed during discovery.....

And I imagine, that it would have had to have been mentioned in the 2019WASC87 (March 2019) Court Document that in one section near the top, summarised the Prosecution case against the accused (charge by charge).

Unless it is some sort of evidence that they are compelled or allowed to suppress from the public, that they are not required to redact by blacking out a section of the public document(s), to show that there is some key evidence redacted for a particular charge.


Or if new evidence was thereafter presented, I would have though that it would have needed to be disclosed as an addition to the Prosecution case against the Accused (charge by charge) ion a subsequent and publicly available WASC pre-trial document.
 
How would we know if he hasn't made admissions of some kind in all those witnesses statements we aren't privy to yet? He might have said something to someone that was dismissed at the time as stupid rambling drunk nonsense?
 
No mention yet either of his medical reports, the psyche assessments and what the prosecution might draw from any of those.

Except for with the psych assessments from the Hollywood Hospital assault

see section 91 of 2019WASC87

and

sections 16,17,19,26,97 of 2019WASC418
 
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There were a couple of court ordered assessments made on BRE over the HH attack, a psychologist and a psychiatrist. My guess is he was already seeing one of them before the attack, the psychiatrist who went on the record doubting the simplicity of his excuse in attacking the social worker. He was subsequently ordered onto a sex offenders course.

And we'll likely be hearing from a forensic psychologist/psychiatrist as well at some stage through the trial.
I can find reference to the Pre-sentencing Report done by Mr Paul McEvoy dated 28 May 1990 (referred to in judgements), but the only reference I can find to "psychiatrist" is in the news reports...which they may have gotten wrong :)
It is quite possible that a forensic psych may give evidence, one for each side.
 
How would we know if he hasn't made admissions of some kind in all those witnesses statements we aren't privy to yet? He might have said something to someone that was dismissed at the time as stupid rambling drunk nonsense?
I would think that if they had a witness statement such as this, then the defense would have objected to parts of it during disclosure and it would have been mentioned during any of the judgements available...
 

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How would we know if he hasn't made admissions of some kind in all those witnesses statements we aren't privy to yet? He might have said something to someone that was dismissed at the time as stupid rambling drunk nonsense?

The WASC documents have already listed and detailed admissions he has formally made to date.

If the prosecution has what they consider to be admissions he made in a non legal setting, I assume that these would have had to have been provided to the defence as signed statements from whoever heard any drunken ramblings of the accused, during the required legal disclosure to the defence team.

Whether any such drunken spoken admissions if material enough, would be required to have disclosed in the public WASC documents that summarised the Prosecution Case against is one for the legal experts. How damning does a drunken spoken admission have to be, before it forms part of the published Case against the accused, like what was published in 2019WASC87

Maybe only if it is an irrefutable recording and deemed fact and with no chance of having been edited, as opposed to someone hearing something without their being a credible recording of it?
 
Some video links in here, MM cctv, Jane at a wedding and the timeline

Wow plus video of ciara glennon speaking.
And you can just hear the slightly irish accent?
 
I can find reference to the Pre-sentencing Report done by Mr Paul McEvoy dated 28 May 1990 (referred to in judgements), but the only reference I can find to "psychiatrist" is in the news reports...which they may have gotten wrong :)
It is quite possible that a forensic psych may give evidence, one for each side.


The pre-sentencing report was done by Ms Lyn Hickey (Psychiatrist???).

***In regard to the emotional upset evidence the prosecution seeks to rely on passages from the probation service pre‑sentence report of Ms Lyn Hickey dated 25 May 1990 (the PSR)...***

Paul McEvoy did the Psychological Report (Clinical Psychologist).

***...and passages from the psychological report of Mr Paul McEvoy dated 28 May 1990 (the psychological report).***

 
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The pre-sentencing report was done by Ms Lyn Hickey (Psychiatrist???).

***In regard to the emotional upset evidence the prosecution seeks to rely on passages from the probation service pre‑sentence report of Ms Lyn Hickey dated 25 May 1990 (the PSR)...***

Paul McEvoy did the Psychological Report (Clinical Psychologist).

***...and passages from the psychological report of Mr Paul McEvoy dated 28 May 1990 (the psychological report).***

" It is said that Ms Hickey and Mr McEvoy were, at the time of preparing their reports, self-employed as psychologists who on occasion were contracted by the Department of Corrective Services to prepare pre-sentence reports"
From the same link you provided...
 
I am pretty sure that if there was any other evidence, it would have to have been disclosed during discovery.....
i don't think we could possibly have all the evidence, I don't believe they are going to take the next three months or so just going over what has been released. We have only heard about evidence that can be disputed, we havent heard about evidence that cant be disputed.
 
Is it not well known that's impossible to find dna with the state of decomposition that the body was in, after the weeks / time dead ?

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We have only heard about evidence that can be disputed, we havent heard about evidence that cant be disputed.
Like what? :)
All evidence can be disputed, thats the point of discovery...
I think the evidence will be: DNA, Fibres, Telstra Living Witnesses, Propensity evidence (HH, Huntingdale,Karakatta).
And I think he may change his plea early....
 
Yeah so was i Shelly
Decomposition would be way too far gone right, or not ?

Do skin cells shed as well with intimate contact? This will be a real learning curve for me but anticipate I might not be the only one.
 
Like what? :)
All evidence can be disputed, thats the point of discovery...
I think the evidence will be: DNA, Fibres, Telstra Living Witnesses, Propensity evidence (HH, Huntingdale,Karakatta).
And I think he may change his plea early....
All evidence may be disputable but that doesnt mean it wont/cant be mentioned. I have no idea what else there could be but with a whole floor of documents there must be lots of information we havent heard. Could be anything.
Example - where and when he used his credit card. Why his second wife left him. His relationship to Clarmont. Friends that went to pubs with him, which pubs? His trophy box may have been found. Who knows.
 
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