Preview Changes: R4 vs Essendon - Sunday April 10, 12.40pm ACST @ Marvel Stadium

[Bay62]

Official changes

In Sloane Tex
Out Fog Cook

 

[1970crow]

Wait till you hear Dawson played none of em cause of injury, but still played round 1.

Not too well though. Very poor in the first half, dumped from the midfield but got a bit better off half back in the second half. You going to post a point that supports your view anytime soon?

 

[1970crow]

Article on AFC.com doesn't suggest that Sloane is right to go and has a few more boxes to tick, we should just continue to rest him for another week.

Nah, gotta get him him, can’t win without skip.

 

[1970crow]

I don't think there's any chance at all that TT plays this week. I think you've missed the point I was making - probably fair enough, given that my previous post was a poorly written ramble.

Ciao Giacomo's post was full of "Tex over Fog is an easy decision". I was pondering a slightly different question - what they would/could/should have done, if they decided to bring Tex back via the SANFL (given his lack of match fitness)?

CG said that we would be done for tanking if we selected Fog ahead of Walker, and it's hard to disagree with that statement. But would we still have been candidates for tanking accusations if we'd selected TT, ahead of both Walker (gaining match fitness in the SANFL) and Fog (woefully out of form & lacking confidence)?

It’s easy to disagree with that statement. Tex having a loosener upperer in the SANFL wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow at the tanking desk at AFL House. It’s equivalent to the ramblings of an excitable teenager. Just a mind numbingly dumb thought.

 

[AFC979810]

Not too well though. Very poor in the first half, dumped from the midfield but got a bit better off half back in the second half. You going to post a point that supports your view anytime soon?

So he had a poor first half - so he should have spent a week in the SANFL? Is that your thinking?

Dawson was instrumental in our 3rd quarter comeback.

Same as Murphy - had a stellar second half - should we have brought him back through the 2's? Hadn't played a game since August of last year.

And the key difference here, is that these players still performed coming off an injury.

The point is quite simple. Tex is in great shape, didn't miss through injury, has had 6 months to get fit and is coming off a very very good season last year. This isn't somebody who hasn't played much footy over the past two seasons. He knew he wouldn't be eligible to play until round 4 so you would imagine the fitness staff and club has planned accordingly. He has played 220 games, so I doubt missing the first 3 is a major calamity.

Personally considering he is replacing FOG who has been terrible, I just can't see any reason to give him a week in the SANFL? He automatically makes us a better side, his leadership is crucial to the youngest side in the competition and he is perfectly fit.

 

[CrowBloke]

1) Not too well though. Very poor in the first half, dumped from the midfield but 2) got a bit better off half back in the second half.

If (and it's a big IF) Dawson's quiet first half was from a lack of fitness/preparation, not having played before that game, wouldn't he have played worse in the second half as he ran out of puff?

Put yourself in his shoes for a minute --- he was front-page headlines during the negotiations and after Adelaide got him (and YAY!! for us, btw ). I think he would have felt the burden of the Club's and supporters' expectations heavily, so much so that he would have been extremely nervous and tight, which is how he started ie hesitant and fumbly.
He certainly seemed more composed after half-time.
Imagine also the pressure on him before that last kick vs. PA which explains that mysterious swung-both-ways low trajectory mongrel kick. Weird goal, that. Off the boot, I groaned.

I'd like to see you agree to disagree with AFC979810 --- you both make reasonable points:

... The point is quite simple. Tex is in great shape, didn't miss through injury, has had 6 months to get fit and is coming off a very very good season last year. This isn't somebody who hasn't played much footy over the past two seasons. He knew he wouldn't be eligible to play until round 4 so you would imagine the fitness staff and club has planned accordingly. He has played 220 games, so I doubt missing the first 3 is a major calamity.

Personally considering he is replacing FOG who has been terrible, I just can't see any reason to give him a week in the SANFL? He automatically makes us a better side, his leadership is crucial to the youngest side in the competition and he is perfectly fit.

"Perfectly fit" might be an exaggeration (we don't know) but I support Tex's inclusion.
Even not having played a game, Tex will provide much more than Fog has in the last 3 games.

(EDIT: the Sloane selection issue is entirely different and separate)

 

[LeftyLuke]

Nah, gotta get him him, can’t win without skip.

It was a mistake not changing the captaincy. He can't be dropped now regardless of his form. The club isn't going down the Coniglio path.

 

[Geoffa32]

We had our best midfield game last week in about 5 years.

With Sloane out and Schoenberg attending the most CBAs. The balance was pretty good.

Now they will upset that by bringing in Sloaney?

He should play mainly as a forward if he comes back.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

So he had a poor first half - so he should have spent a week in the SANFL? Is that your thinking?

Dawson was instrumental in our 3rd quarter comeback.

Same as Murphy - had a stellar second half - should we have brought him back through the 2's? Hadn't played a game since August of last year.

And the key difference here, is that these players still performed coming off an injury.

The point is quite simple. Tex is in great shape, didn't miss through injury, has had 6 months to get fit and is coming off a very very good season last year. This isn't somebody who hasn't played much footy over the past two seasons. He knew he wouldn't be eligible to play until round 4 so you would imagine the fitness staff and club has planned accordingly. He has played 220 games, so I doubt missing the first 3 is a major calamity.

Personally considering he is replacing FOG who has been terrible, I just can't see any reason to give him a week in the SANFL? He automatically makes us a better side, his leadership is crucial to the youngest side in the competition and he is perfectly fit.

Our issue in round 1 was carrying too many underdone & new players. Dawson & Milera underdone. Soligo & Rachele new. Further we had many recovering from recent covid.

Milera should not have played which they agreed in hindsight dropping him.

 

[Vader]

Our issue in round 1 was carrying too many underdone & new players. Dawson & Milera underdone. Soligo & Rachele new. Further we had many recovering from recent covid.

Milera should not have played which they agreed in hindsight dropping him.

Milera's selection was a reward for the hard work he'd done in his injury rehabilitation. He hadn't played in 2 years, so they wanted to reward him for his hard work over that time. They knew he was underdone when they selected him, they didn't need the game to tell them that.

** Deliberately selecting him, despite knowing that he was underdone, definitely contributed to the loss. No argument there.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Milera's selection was a reward for the hard work he'd done in his injury rehabilitation. He hadn't played in 2 years, so they wanted to reward him for his hard work over that time. They knew he was underdone when they selected him, they didn't need the game to tell them that.

** Deliberately selecting him, despite knowing that he was underdone, definitely contributed to the loss. No argument there.

If they wanted to reward Milera then Soligo should not have been picked ahead of the likes of Berry.

 

[Scorpus]

So he had a poor first half - so he should have spent a week in the SANFL? Is that your thinking?

Dawson was instrumental in our 3rd quarter comeback.

Same as Murphy - had a stellar second half - should we have brought him back through the 2's? Hadn't played a game since August of last year.

And the key difference here, is that these players still performed coming off an injury.

The point is quite simple. Tex is in great shape, didn't miss through injury, has had 6 months to get fit and is coming off a very very good season last year. This isn't somebody who hasn't played much footy over the past two seasons. He knew he wouldn't be eligible to play until round 4 so you would imagine the fitness staff and club has planned accordingly. He has played 220 games, so I doubt missing the first 3 is a major calamity.

Personally considering he is replacing FOG who has been terrible, I just can't see any reason to give him a week in the SANFL? He automatically makes us a better side, his leadership is crucial to the youngest side in the competition and he is perfectly fit.

I'm pretty sure Murphy played SANFL the previous week, might have even been two games in the twos

 

[AFC979810]

I'm pretty sure Murphy played SANFL the previous week, might have even been two games in the twos

SANFL trial match. You would hope we would be able to replicate that intensity at training. Especially with the universes greatest training professional.

 

[Scorpus]

SANFL trial match. You would hope we would be able to replicate that intensity at training. Especially with the universes greatest training professional.

I didn't think David Mackay was on our list any more

 

[ams4crows]

People are being a bit harsh on Billy, Marshall got goals from a 50 that wasn't Billy's fault, and a throw in the goal square when Billy was on Geordiades at the time and Doedee was actually on Marshall. Billy was only beaten twice and that was because there was zero pressure from midfield, no defender would have been able to contend with those two entries.

He's only just started his defensive career, I'll take Billy's ability with ball in hand over a turnover merchant. If it means every now and then he gets beaten on a lead.

The first quarter he took a ripping defensive contested mark.

#teamframpton

 

[WheresGroomgone]

And we'll still be the youngest and least experienced team in the league.

Goes to show how much we burned down.

(As a quick aside, including Fogarty and McPherson in this list completely ruins any point about not being able to count 4th year prospects).

I'm not savvy enough to find the stat - but I think the post was referring to this week's game if both Walker and Sloane are selected - we may be the youngest list however going on this predicted team for this week we would be playing everyone over the age of 25 on that list[except Milera, Seedsman}so not sure if this selected side is still the youngest average playing this weekend

My argument would be if we are in a rebuild are there options to play a younger guy that is on our list to give them a crack?

Berry - Sloane
Pedlar - Crouch
RT - Frampton/Walker
Hamill

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Welcome back Tex

Haters can suck it

 

[Sanders]

Milera's selection was a reward for the hard work he'd done in his injury rehabilitation. He hadn't played in 2 years, so they wanted to reward him for his hard work over that time.

Do you believe everything you read?

They took a gamble, it didn’t work and they rolled out this reward spin for the gullible to lap up

 

[Mego Red]

It's interesting how quickly after one of the club's greatest wins that this board reverts back to being muck central.

 

[Mego Red]

Do you believe everything you read?

They took a gamble, it didn’t work and they rolled out this reward spin for the gullible to lap up

When did they say it was a reward?

It was a acknowledgement of him having a great preseason and doing a lot in the internal trials, same as it was for most players selected.

 

[Golumless]

I'm not savvy enough to find the stat - but I think the post was referring to this week's game if both Walker and Sloane are selected - we may be the youngest list however going on this predicted team for this week we would be playing everyone over the age of 25 on that list[except Milera, Seedsman}so not sure if this selected side is still the youngest average playing this weekend

My argument would be if we are in a rebuild are there options to play a younger guy that is on our list to give them a crack?

Berry - Sloane
Pedlar - Crouch
RT - Frampton/Walker
Hamill

We are that inexperienced/young that it likely wouldn't impact, unless Fremantle gets hit by COVID/more injuries. We don't have that many 25+ y.o. lads compared to the rest of the league (I've just been looking through the games on footywire retrospectively).

Rebuilds tend to live in a awkward place. You don't need a lot of experienced/older guys, so you burn down and that pushes you to desperately need the ones you have left to give that higher level of performance and structural/leadership work. When it comes to those players, there isn't anything wrong at this point to challenge them to beat up the SANFL and force their way into our best 22.

 

[Geoffa32]

People are being a bit harsh on Billy, Marshall got goals from a 50 that wasn't Billy's fault, and a throw in the goal square when Billy was on Geordiades at the time and Doedee was actually on Marshall. Billy was only beaten twice and that was because there was zero pressure from midfield, no defender would have been able to contend with those two entries.

He's only just started his defensive career, I'll take Billy's ability with ball in hand over a turnover merchant. If it means every now and then he gets beaten on a lead.

The first quarter he took a ripping defensive contested mark.

#teamframpton

He is a better loose man than one on one defender.

Doedee is a better loose defender though.

Hinge has slotted into Jake Kelly's old role, as an upgrade.

Butts is rock solid Key Defender.


Murray/Frampton's role really needs to be a second actual defender.


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[Slippery Pete]

Essendon players warned ‘don’t come Monday’ if they can’t beat Adelaide.​

Essendon players warned ‘don’t come Monday’ if they can’t beat Adelaide

Essendon players warned ‘don’t come Monday’ if they can’t beat Adelaide

www.foxsports.com.au

What a dishonest headline.

It was Gerard Big Nose Whateley who said that.

 

[GROTTO]

What a dishonest headline.

It was Gerard Big Nose Whateley who said that.

Yes I thought the same when Fox Footy posted it.

 

[FR0GGY]

Not too well though. Very poor in the first half, dumped from the midfield but got a bit better off half back in the second half. You going to post a point that supports your view anytime soon?

Probably a bit to do with playing in a new team and working things out.
Already our best player.

 

[DJ75]

We had our best midfield game last week in about 5 years.

With Sloane out and Schoenberg attending the most CBAs. The balance was pretty good.

Now they will upset that by bringing in Sloaney?

He should play mainly as a forward if he comes back.

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Of course they will. Listen to ANY interview VB gives - it's all about experience. That's all that matters. Not performance, not the future, nothing but experience.