Autopsy Cats lose to Swans by 30 points

[kcattatac]

But like, what changes though? SDK out for who? Jeka? COS? Why?

Blitz had a bad game sure but claiming Knevitt should have been playing instead is just Monday morning quarterbacking. It would have been the wrong call on evidence at the time.

Dangerfield in the midfield would have been good, but we were only getting him playing midfield half the time anyway and he still did a hammy.

Whatever gripes you may have on selection, there's no obviously better selections to be made.

But like, what changes though? SDK out for who? Jeka? COS? Why?

Blitz had a bad game sure but claiming Knevitt should have been playing instead is just Monday morning quarterbacking. It would have been the wrong call on evidence at the time.

Dangerfield in the midfield would have been good, but we were only getting him playing midfield half the time anyway and he still did a hammy.

Whatever gripes you may have on selection, there's no obviously better selections to be made.

I have no gripes. Just trying to point out to the Hardie bandwagon that maybe his non selection is due to cats managing their cap as much as anything

 

[kcattatac]

Then you would limit yourself, and have no pool/depth in the VFL.
It would be a rum show if we could not elevate Hardie, Mannagh, Conway, O'sullivan, etc because of a match payment.
Obviously not all going up together.

That's the point we can't afford $ them all to go up together

 

[Footy Smarts]

I have no gripes. Just trying to point out to the Hardie bandwagon that maybe his non selection is due to cats managing their cap as much as anything

Lol. It's absolutely not.

 

[kcattatac]

A clubs wage bill would be set it such a way that the maximum possible spending wouldn't breach the the cap. Many of the triggers would be mutually exclusive. The banking of unspent cap space into future years aids in this.

Clubs are also free to renegotiate contact extensions with their players in season to push current spending into future years as a last resort. Match payments for new draftees is like 3k per game there is zero change that effects selection policy.

I wasn't aware you can bank unused cap space and your point of renegotiating contracts if possible? would help free up cap space. My point is with 15 or so on entire list that would get AFL match payments then no club would keep 15*$5k*22 games ($1.65M) spare cap space in case you need to play these players. Cats probably allow $500k for it and use other $1.15M on Cameron and others to retain them. This limits how many of these fringe players you can play even if we wanted to select them all

 

[Jumping Jack]

He did say some odd things - Stanley being good and Grundy having no influence was bizarre.

But of course he’s not going to single players out. He’s never done that. It wouldn’t help anyone imo and would make things worse.

Agree and that was the point I was trying to make.

It’s great that he backs the players publicly, but some of his points were absurd. I think sometimes he just plays to the lowest common denominator in the media, and the member base ….. occasionally it would be good to see him call it as we all see it. That doesn’t mean he has to spray players publicly.

Funny thing is with Stanley, you’d reckon he’s copped massive heat from Scott along the way. Quite the opposite, and ask any player to name untouchables in the coaches lists of favs and Stanley was right up there with Selwood and Hawkins. Scott loves him.


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[Zouz Kitty]

The point I was making was that Sydney is overrated and it is only well known for its for its beaches and the harbour everything else about it from the people, crime , culture and house prices is shit compaired to Melb

Have you lived in Sydney, Strange Cat?

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I wouldn’t say better than Melbourne. They did beat us after all.

Are they experiencing a form slump? They were fourth in Rd8 when we played them + are now 10th.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I wasn't aware you can bank unused cap space and your point of renegotiating contracts if possible? would help free up cap space. My point is with 15 or so on entire list that would get AFL match payments then no club would keep 15*$5k*22 games ($1.65M) spare cap space in case you need to play these players. Cats probably allow $500k for it and use other $1.15M on Cameron and others to retain them. This limits how many of these fringe players you can play even if we wanted to select them all

You do if your administrators do some basic maths before signing players

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

Your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Some of us are happy our house prices aren't as high as those in Sydney and Brisbane.

I have no desire to live anywhere else, be it Sydney, Brisbane, Perth or a country town. Each to their own.

Funny how we all value different things. I've lived in Brisbane and it is my least favourite city in Australia, can't stand it. Melbourne is my number 1 favourite city and I really enjoy living in Sydney but it's hard to get around, it's easier to visit Southbank and the Melbourne botanical gardens than Centennial Park.

I like Adelaide, Perth isn't too bad, but it's isolated and not multicultural enough for me.

Anyway, I'm sure this is all very relevant to why the Cats lost to the Swans...

 

[hoopla]

Have you lived in Sydney, Strange Cat?

Uh oh. It’s turned into a Melbourne v Sydney rivalry thread. As someone who has lived in both cities, I can say I love both places. I now live in Melbourne but I would love to have an apartment in Sydney to escape the Melbourne winter.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Everyone is having this Melbourne versus Sydney feud and I'm just chilling out in a house you can pay off in under 10 years with more beaches nearby than Perth and walking distance to a stadium with afl every week.

 

[CHAWKTS]

Agree and that was the point I was trying to make.

It’s great that he backs the players publicly, but some of his points were absurd. I think sometimes he just plays to the lowest common denominator in the media, and the member base ….. occasionally it would be good to see him call it as we all see it. That doesn’t mean he has to spray players publicly.

Funny thing is with Stanley, you’d reckon he’s copped massive heat from Scott along the way. Quite the opposite, and ask any player to name untouchables in the coaches lists of favs and Stanley was right up there with Selwood and Hawkins. Scott loves him.


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For good reason. He is a genuinely decent human being, a great team man who is giving everything he has. I am not convinced that Stanley can be “motivated” to do anymore. He is playing the best he can.

 

[Lana]

I wasn't aware you can bank unused cap space and your point of renegotiating contracts if possible? would help free up cap space. My point is with 15 or so on entire list that would get AFL match payments then no club would keep 15*$5k*22 games ($1.65M) spare cap space in case you need to play these players. Cats probably allow $500k for it and use other $1.15M on Cameron and others to retain them. This limits how many of these fringe players you can play even if we wanted to select them all

I'd be pretty confident is saying that every player has match payment at some level, at least to the base wage level. Even in the longer term contract, they'd be a negotiation on how much is fixed vs variable. A player might take a lower total amount to change the mix of fixed vs variable. When Hawkins signed his last 5 year deal, there was a lot of talk on this.

 

[Jumping Jack]

For good reason. He is a genuinely decent human being, a great team man who is giving everything he has. I am not convinced that Stanley can be “motivated” to do anymore. He is playing the best he can.

Yep one of the nicest fellas you’d meet. Can be frustrating but always had a soft spot for him. Deserved a flag as much as anyone else in 22


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[numbwombat]

I wasn't aware you can bank unused cap space and your point of renegotiating contracts if possible? would help free up cap space. My point is with 15 or so on entire list that would get AFL match payments then no club would keep 15*$5k*22 games ($1.65M) spare cap space in case you need to play these players. Cats probably allow $500k for it and use other $1.15M on Cameron and others to retain them. This limits how many of these fringe players you can play even if we wanted to select them all

Not sure where you’re pulling this from. Senior players get match payments too. Young (1st-3rd year) players get an extra one-off incentive payment at the end of the season if they play any AFL games but it maxes out at I think $12k and minimum (which I assume would be in most standard contracts) is $3k for 1-5 games, so a complete non-issue to debut kids. This stuff is in the CBA and AFL Rules on the AFL website.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I reckon Melbourne is a depressing flat dump

And the worse thing about Melb , are those utterly horrible , beyond horrible , those eyesore inner city high rise buildings- skyscrapers that Sir Henry Bolte built in the 1960s , i believe there is one in Carlton another one in Richmond and another one in Flemington , they are utterly depressing to look at and dominate the Melb skyline , talk about Yuck

Contrast that to Centennial park , stone throw well from the SCG and utterly beautiful , Vaucluse House , 12 acres of land open to the public right on the harbour

They are some of the reasons why Syd median house price is $500,000 more than Melb who is now in 3rd place , Brisbane has gone past it

Sydney has its 'suicide towers' in Redfern. An absolute blight of misery.



Probably time to move on from this 'off topic' discussion

 

[feelinfeline]

Everyone is having this Melbourne versus Sydney feud and I'm just chilling out in a house you can pay off in under 10 years with more beaches nearby than Perth and walking distance to a stadium with afl every week.

Yes, it's so feud-like, isn't it? lol From what I can gather, some of the people having the feud haven't lived in either city!

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Everyone is having this Melbourne versus Sydney feud and I'm just chilling out in a house you can pay off in under 10 years with more beaches nearby than Perth and walking distance to a stadium with afl every week.

It's not a feud! Not from me, I love Melbourne.

Sounds like my house in Paddington, five minute walk to SCG*, 10 minute walk to Centennial Park, 20 minute walk to work in CBD + beaches, beaches, beaches. I paid my house off in eight years, so there

*Football Stadium too, with gym + pool. Was fantastic to watch Swans, Roosters + Waratahs training

 

[numbwombat]

He's in the mold of old school midfielders, he will never have the attributes to compete with the taller bigger bodied mids like Heeney, Bontempelli, Cripps, Dangerfield, Fyfe. Most midfields have room for a smaller agile player like Clark so he will fill that role.

He’s not Fyfe but he’s not exactly Caleb Daniel, at 181cm he’s 1cm taller than Atkins and was listed at 181cm in his draft year so might be slightly taller.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It's not a feud! Not from me, I love Melbourne.

Sounds like my house in Paddington, five minute walk to SCG*, 10 minute walk to Centennial Park, 20 minute walk to work in CBD + beaches, beaches, beaches. I paid my house off in eight years, so there

*Football Stadium too, with gym + pool. Was fantastic to watch Swans, Roosters + Waratahs training

Yeah but which decade did you buy it?

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Everyone is having this Melbourne versus Sydney feud and I'm just chilling out in a house you can pay off in under 10 years with more beaches nearby than Perth and walking distance to a stadium with afl every week.

Yes, it's so feud-like, isn't it? lol From what I can gather, some of the people having the feud haven't lived in either city!

It's not a feud! Not from me, I love Melbourne.

Sounds like my house in Paddington, five minute walk to SCG*, 10 minute walk to Centennial Park, 20 minute walk to work in CBD + beaches, beaches, beaches. I paid my house off in eight years, so there

*Football Stadium too, with gym + pool. Was fantastic to watch Swans, Roosters + Waratahs training

IT'S NOT A FEUD from me

A friend + I renovated houses in Armadale in the 90s. Spent many happy times in Melbourne.

 

[feelinfeline]

IT'S NOT A FEUD from me

A friend + I renovated houses in Armadale in the 90s. Spent many happy times in Melbourne.

I spent happy times in Sydney too.

Most of us have nothing to complain about in Oz. Clearly our main problem is having too much time on our hands!

 

[Romeoh1]

I reckon Melbourne is a depressing flat dump

And the worse thing about Melb , are those utterly horrible , beyond horrible , those eyesore inner city high rise buildings- skyscrapers that Sir Henry Bolte built in the 1960s , i believe there is one in Carlton another one in Richmond and another one in Flemington , they are utterly depressing to look at and dominate the Melb skyline , talk about Yuck

Contrast that to Centennial park , stone throw well from the SCG and utterly beautiful , Vaucluse House , 12 acres of land open to the public right on the harbour

They are some of the reasons why Syd median house price is $500,000 more than Melb who is now in 3rd place , Brisbane has gone past it

Sydney is the most beautiful city in the world and if you live on, or near the harbour- brilliant- you are very lucky. Other than that it’s not so great and actually pretty tricky to get around.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Anyhoooooo!!!


How great were Disposals?
Holmes 23
Cameron 21
Atkins 20
Stewart 20
Duncan 19
Kolo 19

 

[catters_28]

Your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Some of us are happy our house prices aren't as high as those in Sydney and Brisbane.

I have no desire to live anywhere else, be it Sydney, Brisbane, Perth or a country town. Each to their own.

This is the most boring conversation I've ever read on Bigfooty and that's saying something.

Can't we talk about the game instead of this inane drivel?