Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVII - A return to normalcy

[teagueyubeauty]

Collingwood will be like Richmond is now in a couple of years.

Let’s hope all they’ve got of value at the time is Naicos to whore off for draft picks


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[Blue_Fusion]

How would we all feel about something like this:

	OUT	VALUE	IN	VALUE
Carlton	Pick 3	2234 (Pick 3)	Pick 4	2034 (Pick 4)
	Kennedy	556 (Pick 33)	Pick 25	756 (Pick 25)
		2790​		2790​
Adelaide	Pick 4	2034 (Pick 4)	Pick 3	2234 (Pick 3)
	F3	347 ('25 Pick 45)	F4	112 ('25 Pick 63)
		2381​		2346​
Bulldogs	Daniel	556 (Pick 33)	Kennedy	556 (Pick 33)
		556​		556​
North Melbourne	Pick 25	756 (Pick 25)	Daniel	556 (Pick 33)
	F4	112 (2025 Pick 63)	F3	347 (2025 Pick 45)
		868​		903​

(Just realized the above formatting is horrible on the phone. Here's a simplified version for you all)

CARLTON:
OUT: Pick 3 (2234) + Kennedy (556) = 2790
IN: Pick 4 (2034) + Pick 25 (756) = 2790

ADELAIDE:
OUT: Pick 4 (2034) + F3 (347) = 2381
IN: Pick 3 (2234) + F4 (112) = 2346

WB:
OUT: Daniel (556) = 556
IN: Kennedy (556) = 556

North Melbourne:
OUT: Pick 25 (756) + F4 (112) = 868
IN: Daniel (556) + F3 (347) = 903

It's somewhat difficult to project exactly where a future pick would come, so I just based it off each team giving up the 9th pick of the specified round.

Also not 100% sure how high Daniel is rated, but seems like around the mark based on some other trade scenarios I've seen floated around.

In this scenario, we would be able to maximize return for MK by getting another pick (hopefully) ahead of the BC bid. Adelaide move up a spot and snag Draper, while we would still have access to one of Smith/Lalor/FOS (all potential #1 picks). Bulldogs straight swap makes sense. North Melbourne get Daniel for the equivalent of Pick 33 which, as mentioned above, I think is probably around the mark.

Appreciate the effort, just don't like it.

We put a lot in to trade up to 3, now we're moving down a spot and losing Kennedy for the sake of bringing in pick 25...

Tbh, I'd much rather we just kept 3 and Kennedy.

That 1 spot push back could actually be really significant...

 

[blue healer]

For sure. But I'd like to see us play less of a crash and bash style that leads to more than half the team looking jaded/worn out by round 17/18.

How long will Charlie last flying in packs of ten for the next 5 years. He needs easier goals to support longevity. Charlie playing for 6-7 games with a sore ankle and not being able to perform is a great example of what I mean.

High down the line followed up by high into the fwd line will lead to more situations like he just suffered.

Just my opinion.

Fair chance that crash and bash style also contributes to our questionable disposal efficiency at times as well.

 

[jezza25]

Thanks for your input but I've been here for 20 years, just lost my account...

Then act like it

 

[muzza99]

I was pruning the roses today and thought hey, maybe this is similar to what Austin is doing at the club.

First cutting away any deadwood (Marchbank, Martin, Cuners), then the tricky part cutting away healthy parts to balance the shape and create space for future new growth (Owies, Kennedy).

In the end the pruning is great for the health and development of the plant.

Should have pruned those roses weeks ago. Winter is best time…..

 

[bigblueboy]

Austin to trade #3 for Thylacine60 and a late 4th rounder.
Place just isn't the same.

So much better.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Kemp > Saints for Pick 32+F2 ?

Imo that would be fair value

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

For sure. But I'd like to see us play less of a crash and bash style that leads to more than half the team looking jaded/worn out by round 17/18.

How long will Charlie last flying in packs of ten for the next 5 years. He needs easier goals to support longevity. Charlie playing for 6-7 games with a sore ankle and not being able to perform is a great example of what I mean.

High down the line followed up by high into the fwd line will lead to more situations like he just suffered.

Just my opinion.

Agreed, I just think our list up until now has been built around crash and bash footy, hence why we're making such aggressive list changes

 

[mbekka3]

Then act like it

Lol who are you

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Imo that would be fair value

Surely CFC aren’t considering trading Kemp.

If we did fair value has zero to do with any trade we agree to IMHO.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Kennedy > Bulldogs for Pick 25 (via North Melbourne in trade for Macrae/Daniels)

Kemp > Saints for Pick 32+F2

Pick 25+StK F2 > GWS Pick 16

Pick 3 - Draper/Lalor/FOS/Smith
Pick 16 - Berry/Hotton/Hannaford
Pick 32 - O'Farrell/Dennis/Mraz
Match Bids - Ben + Lucas

What a glorious glorious off season it would be!

I think Dennis is grossly under-rated on most draft boards. Based upon how clubs snapped up talls in last years draft, I'd expect Mraz & O'Farrell to be gone by 32.

 

[MitchRobinson12]

Surely we don’t trade kemp?

 

[HarryFlashman]

So according to the Saints board Kemp is being squeezed due to cap tightness, we told him to look around, we should be happy for 32 & next year they are taking TDK from us
The delusion is strong over there!
Whoever gave Stavro a day off - great work, they are mighty upset by that too

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Simply cannot see us getting 25 for Kennedy, would be an incredible result if we did.

 

[Sickblue]

Lucky enough to be heading to the airport now for a Carlton in business event today in Adelaide at the Penfolds winery and Cook, Wright, Sayers and others will all be present so I’ll do everything I can to get some intel today before the trade deadline.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Aren't we the only team with 2 tall forwards?

Well the reigning premiers had Daniher and hipwood for starters.

 

[Juice030103]

So according to the Saints board Kemp is being squeezed due to cap tightness, we told him to look around, we should be happy for 32 & next year they are taking TDK from us
The delusion is strong over there!
Whoever gave Stavro a day off - great work, they are mighty upset by that too

Why would TDK go there and leave us? We almost beat them without McKay curnow and him and we are about to add another young gun. They are a delusional fan base

 

[BigFrizz36]

Lucky enough to be heading to the airport now for a Carlton in business event today in Adelaide at the Penfolds winery and Cook, Wright, Sayers and others will all be present so I’ll do everything I can to get some intel today before the trade deadline.

Just don't live up to your name after the wine samplings please.

 

[Matty411]

Come back From Florida and we've traded in a first, punted Owies, traded up to Pick 3 and now punting Kennedy.

Whirlwind. Low key hoping we stick to the draft and pickup a gun like Jagga or Draper next month.

Trac for Cez and 3 isn't the play at all and would undermine everything we've said.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Why would TDK go there and leave us? We almost beat them without McKay curnow and him and we are about to add another young gun. They are a delusional fan base

I really like the part where they pulled stats and over the last 25yrs to justify that they are better than us
Jeez it must be hard work on that board, some good posters but the bad have less than a handful of brain cells to share - the “Make St Kilda Great Again” vibe is strong

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Simply cannot see us getting 25 for Kennedy, would be an incredible result if we did.

It’s been mentioned now - already injected & pulsing through my veins - anything else just won’t get it done for me…

 

[Schoonerman]

Appreciate the effort, just don't like it.

We put a lot in to trade up to 3, now we're moving down a spot and losing Kennedy for the sake of bringing in pick 25...

Tbh, I'd much rather we just kept 3 and Kennedy.

That 1 spot push back could actually be really significant...

Agreed , if Draper is available we take him every day if the week

 

[ferrisb]

I was pruning the roses today and thought hey, maybe this is similar to what Austin is doing at the club.

First cutting away any deadwood (Marchbank, Martin, Cuners), then the tricky part cutting away healthy parts to balance the shape and create space for future new growth (Owies, Kennedy).

In the end the pruning is great for the health and development of the plant.

Hopefully the club stops smelling like fertiliser soon...

 

[DollarsandSense]

Agreed , if Draper is available we take him every day if the week

This x 1000.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Anyone find it interesting we haven’t come out and said Kemp will not be traded under any circumstance?