Hot Topic Carlton 2024 Trade Discussion

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Bamboo Harvester said:
You gotta love some of those draft reports when you go back and read them. This gem was from from one of the draft experts on the main page 😂

''...I see him as a slow, unfit clearance winner with little versatility...and how much development is still to come?"

"...He isn't particularly quick, and although his kicking is solid, sometimes he can get under the ball a bit and not lower his eyes. Not sold on his versatility either, particularly going forward. He has shown some good signs linking up on the outside, but not sure he is quite using his size to it's full potential outside of the stoppages...''

''...a true big bodied inside midfielder - very strong at the stoppages, his clearance work is right up there with the best and he moves through traffic really quite well. Which is all great, but I feel as though he lacks a bit of hurt factor...''

- xxxxxx on Patrick Cripps, Young Talent Time 2013
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My mantra that draft year was "anyone but Cripps". Ah well, no-one gets it right all the time.
 

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That poll is looking a bit old hat with what Carlton should do with picks 12 & 14 and should we go for Dan Houston..?

Maybe update it with what we should get for pick 3 ..?
Who do you prefer we get or trade down for 6 & 11 etc
 
tarczonandjane said:
In fairness, he seems lukewarm on pretty much every club’s trading efforts.

And for a second thing, the melts around here will be enormous if pick 3 is a bust. I support what the club did. But they have to get the pick right. And that’s essentially what Damo is saying.
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But isn't it factually incorrect? We never had two firsts this year and only ended up with 2 from giving up next years 1st and 2nd. So we actually didn't give up 3 firsts. We gave up next years as part of a package to get a 2nd first rounder this year. You can't count it twice.

But what would I know. I'm just a humble poster on an internet website not a well paid afl journo like Damo.
 
tarczonandjane said:
I’m well aware of what Damo wrote. As RPCB says, the narrative about three first round picks to get pick 3 is already well and truly established. We can huff and puff about that on here all we like, but it won’t move the dial. Get angry, belittle Damo, do whatever you like. It won’t change a thing.

The more substantive part about Damo’s comment is that we need to nail pick 3. And he’s spot on. If we stuff it up, the melts on here will be enormous.

Again, I support what the club did.
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But quite simply it's wrong. And easily proven wrong. It only takes someone to point this out to the journo in question and he would have to concede that he was wrong.
 
We will get a player that we will be talking about for a long time
I’m excited never believed we’d get the top 5 puck of the litter in a super draft can’t lose
 
Benaly28 said:
I highly doubt we take pick 38 to the draft.

Listen to what Austin said he’s always wanted 2 picks inside 20.


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Austin would never have thought he could get 3. If 2 top 20s was a non negotiable, he wouldn't have traded for it. Plus, he never specifically said that. It was just relayed by ITKs.
 
Benaly28 said:
I highly doubt we take pick 38 to the draft.

Listen to what Austin said he’s always wanted 2 picks inside 20.


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That’s why I think if we were offered 6 & 11 say, we’d seriously consider it. Club was stoked with 12 & 14 as it was


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BigFrizz36 said:
But quite simply it's wrong. And easily proven wrong. It only takes someone to point this out to the journo in question and he would have to concede that he was wrong.
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Hi Big Frizz,

I guess my response would be that if you’re so affronted by the three draft picks thing, you can take it up with Damo. Call him on one of his shows, email him. You never know, he might issue a contraction.

But whatever happens, my thoughts are that any withdrawal from him is a phyrric victory. That’s because it’s actually next to irrelevant that he’s got it wrong on that point. The much more substantive issue, and where we’d really like to prove him wrong, is that pick #3 becomes a serious player for us. I’m guessing that if you ran a poll around here and asked that if you could only prove Damo wrong on one point in the article, what would it be, then we’d be 100% for finding a 250 game player at pick #3 (not the picks involved).

And in the end, that’s the substance of what he’s trying to say. In fact, he’s voiced what several in here have already reflected about moving down from #12 and #14 to #3.

That’s why I don’t have a problem with what he said. Yes, there is a distortion in what he put forward. But the tenor of his point is spot on. We do need to nail this pick.
 
tarczonandjane said:
Hi Big Frizz,

I guess my response would be that if you’re so affronted by the three draft picks thing, you can take it up with Damo. Call him on one of his shows, email him. You never know, he might issue a contraction.

But whatever happens, my thoughts are that any withdrawal from him is a phyrric victory. That’s because it’s actually next to irrelevant that he’s got it wrong on that point. The much more substantive issue, and where we’d really like to prove him wrong, is that pick #3 becomes a serious player for us. I’m guessing that if you ran a poll around here and asked that if you could only prove Damo wrong on one point in the article, what would it be, then we’d be 100% for finding a 250 game player at pick #3 (not the picks involved).

And in the end, that’s the substance of what he’s trying to say. In fact, he’s voiced what several in here have already reflected about moving down from #12 and #14 to #3.

That’s why I don’t have a problem with what he said. Yes, there is a distortion in what he put forward. But the tenor of his point is spot on. We do need to nail this pick.
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When I read it, I thought he gave us a tick for moving up to Pick 3, but thought we paid too much. We did if we paid 3 first rounders, but it was a pretty solid deal the way it actually went down.
 
No1Suspect said:
Cant see north taking an adelaide boy, he'll want out like JHF it'll be Smith or FOS for the Roos i recon, leaning towards FOS
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The beauty of pick 3 is exactly this. Whilst personally I think Smith is the pick of them, one of these 3 will land with us. This sort of optionally we have not had in a strong draft for years. V solid outcome. Austin gets to go out to lunch 5 mins early this trade season.
 
Forty3 said:
North will do a North and take a left field choice, Tauru or Armstrong. They cannot take more mids.

Our pick 3 is effectively pick 4 because of Ashcroft but its effectively pick 3 because of North.
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Forty3 from ones vantage point, would your view be, it is general consensus across the majority of 'functioning clubs' ex-Ashcroft, that Laylor, Smith and FOS are run away 1,2,3 in no particular order?
 
Billy S said:
You know who should have gone. Pittonet, Young, Fantasia. Not Kennedy and Owies.
Blatant list mismanagement and the reason why we will probably waste this era.
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Our only back up ruck
Tried no one wanted him- Depth defender a need
Fantasia contracted no value
Blatant mismanagement of thought processes pre posting and the reason big footy never wastes a trade period!!
 
Bamboo Harvester said:
You gotta love some of those draft reports when you go back and read them. This gem was from from one of the draft experts on the main page 😂

''...I see him as a slow, unfit clearance winner with little versatility...and how much development is still to come?"

"...He isn't particularly quick, and although his kicking is solid, sometimes he can get under the ball a bit and not lower his eyes. Not sold on his versatility either, particularly going forward. He has shown some good signs linking up on the outside, but not sure he is quite using his size to it's full potential outside of the stoppages...''

''...a true big bodied inside midfielder - very strong at the stoppages, his clearance work is right up there with the best and he moves through traffic really quite well. Which is all great, but I feel as though he lacks a bit of hurt factor...''

- xxxxxx on Patrick Cripps, Young Talent Time 2013
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Sometimes a highlights package can be misleading, and sometimes its not:

 
Here's my DFA shortlist:

Adelaide: Hamill
Collingwood: Kreuger
Essendon: Wanganeen
Fremantle: Emmett, Keuk
Geelong: Jeka, Murdoch, Willis
Gold Coast: Oea
Hawthorn: Grainger-Barras, Phillips
Melbourne: Tomlinson
Port Adelaide: Narkle
Richmond: Cumberland
St Kilda: Bonner, Hotton, Allison
West Coast: Burgiel, Culley, Trew, Witherden
Western Bulldogs: Clarke

Kreuger I would be interested to see where he's at in terms of getting leaner and playing defence... plays a bit like Liam Jones.

And here's the list of available DFAs for us:

Adelaide
Lachlan Gollant (GF)
Will Hamill (small def)
Ned McHenry (small fwd/mid)
Patrick Parnell (small def)

Brisbane
Kalin Lane (ruck)
James Madden (gen def)
Carter Michael (running def)
Jaxon Prior (gen def)

Collingwood
Aiden Begg (ruck)
Jack Bytel (inside mid)
Josh Eyre (KPF)
Nathan Kreuger (KPF)

Essendon
Kaine Baldwin (KPD)
Jayden Davey (small fwd)
Jaiden Hunter (KPF)
Tex Wanganeen (small fwd/mid)

Fremantle
Tom Emmett (mid/fwd)
Ethan Hughes (gen def)
Sebit Kuek (gen fwd)
Ethan Stanley (mid/fwd)
Matt Taberner (KPF)
Conrad Williams (running def)

Geelong
Phoenix Foster (KPF)
Joe Furphy (ruck)
Mitch Hardie (inside mid)
Emerson Jeka (KPF/KPD)
Oscar Murdoch (gen def)
Brandan Parfitt (inside mid)
Gary Rohan (gen fwd)
James Willis (mid/fwd)

Gold Coast
Sandy Brock (KPD)
Sam Day (KPF)
Oskar Faulkhead (outside mid)
Darcy Macpherson (small def/mid)
Jack Mahony (small mid/fwd)
Hewago Oea (small fwd/mid)
Will Rowlands (small fwd)
James Tsitas (mid/fwd)

GWS
Cooper Hamilton (mid)
Braydon Preuss (ruck)

Hawthorn
Josh Bennetts (outside mid)
Denver Grainger-Barras (gen def)
Cooper Stephens (mid)
Jack O'Sullivan (small fwd/mid)
Ethan Phillips (KPD)
Clay Tucker (ruck)

Melbourne
Kyah Farris-White (ruck)
Josh Schache (KPF/ruck)
Adam Tomlinson (tall utility)

North Melbourne
Blake Drury (small mid/fwd)
Hamish Free (ruck)
Charlie Lazzaro (small mid)
Bigoa Nyuon (KPD)
Tyler Sellers (KPF)
Curtis Taylor (fwd/mid)
Tarryn Thomas (fwd/mid)

Port Adelaide
Tom Clurey (KPD)
Francis Evans (small fwd)
Kyle Marshall (KPD)
Tom McCallum (gen def/KPD)
Quinton Narkle (small mid/fwd)
Tom Scully

Richmond
Matthew Coulthard (small fwd)
Noah Cumberland (gen fwd)

St Kilda
Matthew Allison (fwd/mid)
Riley Bonner (running def)
Tim Membrey (gen fwd)
Seb Ross (inside mid)
James Van Es (KPD)
Ben Paton (gen def)
Jack Hayes (KPF)
Olli Hotton (inside mid/fwd)

Sydney
Harry Arnold (KPD)
Jaiden Magor (gen fwd)
Lachlan McAndrew (ruck)
Cooper Vickery (small def)


West Coast
Jordyn Baker (small def)
Coby Burgiel (small def/fwd)
Jai Culley (mid/fwd)
Jamaine Jones (small fwd/def)
Josh Rotham (gen def)
Zane Trew (mid)
Alex Witherden (small def)

Western Bulldogs
Dominic Bedendo (mid/fwd)
Charlie Clarke (small fwd/mid)
Kelsey Rypstra (small fwd)
 

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