Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[arrowman]

Thank you for bringing absolute sensibility to this thread.
Imo a topic like this should be so clear on safety grounds alone that those who don’t seem to grasp this
have other agenda and I have lost any respect for.

I think there are 3 "agendas" when it comes to the question "should [some] men be allowed into women's spaces?".

1. "No" = a person who is in touch with reality.

2. "Yes" = a person who is out of touch with reality, or perhaps understands the reality but is prepared to deny it because they want to be seen as A Good Person / not a bigoted transphobe.

3. And then there's the person who knows the reality, can't bring themselves to deny it completely, but still wants to be seen as A Good Person etc, so their answer is "maybe, it depends, sometimes, it's not a big issue..."

 

[MsTopG]

 

[Slippery Pete]

Country desperately needs a “DOGE” to get rid of some of these bullshit positions once and for all.

 

[rocket18]

rocket18 - for you again given you clearly missed it!

Will you apologise for your false claim i didn't answer...

Yes, after 2 pages of ignoring the question and bringing up unrelated topics you did finally give a direct answer. wishy washy answer.

I'd already posted my post and your reply was the last of the thread on the next page that I hadn't got to yet.

Edit: Apology rescinded, you still hadn't answered the question. You would have a career as a politician.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Totally off topic but a couple of my experiences re toilet usage.
In the late '90 at Footy Park with my wife and her friend. The women's toilets on the eastern side were totally inadequate. My wife's girlfriend raced into the men's as not too many men sit. (Kane aside ) I don't think any man there gave it a second thought.
I'm sure the reverse would have got a reaction from the ladies.

When I worked in Melbourne, we frequented a restaurant on Southbank near the casino. It had a unisex toilet. I pity any women that had to use that after a few hours' usage. Men do not leave that space as clean as they should. Their aim is not that good sometimes.

Used to do this even before tapping the keg at a party. Grown men can’t resist being little boys and saves
a horrid clean up.

 

[MsTopG]

 

[Slippery Pete]

I haven’t been able to get anyone in here to report that they’ve had one recently.

I’m pretty sure it’s because nobody has, but I’ll stand corrected of course.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Yes, after 2 pages of ignoring the question and bringing up unrelated topics you did finally give a direct answer.

I'd already posted my post and your reply was the last of the thread on the next page that I hadn't got to yet. So yes when I posted you had replied, apologies.

OK, fine... now...

Do you believe men should have the right to enter female spaces, because they "identify as a woman"?

Would be preferable they use the unisex toilets which are available in most places.

Why apologise?

Did not answer THE question at all , was another no answer.
The person is full of them and look over there’s.

 

[rocket18]

Why apologise?

Did not answer THE question at all , was another no answer.
The person is full of them and look over there’s.

Damn, you're right. It was another non answer.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Totally off topic but a couple of my experiences re toilet usage.
In the late '90 at Footy Park with my wife and her friend. The women's toilets on the eastern side were totally inadequate. My wife's girlfriend raced into the men's as not too many men sit. (Kane aside ) I don't think any man there gave it a second thought.
I'm sure the reverse would have got a reaction from the ladies.

When I worked in Melbourne, we frequented a restaurant on Southbank near the casino. It had a unisex toilet. I pity any women that had to use that after a few hours' usage. Men do not leave that space as clean as they should. Their aim is not that good sometimes.

Urinals are one of man’s greatest, most efficient inventions. DOGE-esque, some might say.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Urinals are one of man’s greatest, most efficient inventions. DOGE-esque, some might say.

Designed to sort the men from the girls. Sometimes.

 

[jackster83]

Urinals are one of man’s greatest, most efficient inventions. DOGE-esque, some might say.

I was at a gig at Adelaide Uni just the other week.

They've now got female, disabled and "all gender" toilets but no men's and no urinals.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I was at a gig at Adelaide Uni just the other week.

They've now got female, disabled and "all gender" toilets but no men's and no urinals.

Once upon a time our Uni's were there to produce our nation's best and smartest.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I was at a gig at Adelaide Uni just the other week.

They've now got female, disabled and "all gender" toilets but no men's and no urinals.

In fairness I don’t think there’s enough demand for mens toilets there

 

[Eagleboy2011]

In fairness I don’t think there’s enough demand for mens toilets there

 

[Mutineer]

I was at a gig at Adelaide Uni just the other week.

They've now got female, disabled and "all gender" toilets but no men's and no urinals.

WOW!!!

 

[Mutineer]

Once upon a time our Uni's were there to produce our nation's best and smartest.

That's a long while ago sadly.

 

[arrowman]

I was at a gig at Adelaide Uni just the other week.

They've now got female, disabled and "all gender" toilets but no men's and no urinals.

Could be worse. All the examples I've seen have been male, disabled and "all gender" i.e. the men still get their space but the women don't.

 

[WetCrow1991]

I’m quite happy for Buck to use a men’s toilet and also for Buck to play mens sport as well.

The issue is about women being vulnerable to predatory men and providing safe spaces for them. I don’t see how this is relevant?

If rules around things like bathrooms were that powerful then we wouldn't have any concerns about predatory men in society.

 

[Mutineer]

Chickens all coming home to roost with this disgustingly useless Andrews/Allan/Pallas Labor Government that Victorians have had to endure the last decade...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/after-a-decade-of-labor-government-victoria-is-a-poor-state-economic-experts-say/news-story/cb948d24d5e5122689e17552e6793f0c?utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=NEWS_LATESTNEWS_GAN-STYLE_01&net_sub_id=288692219&type=curated&position=5

After a decade of Labor government, Victoria is a ‘poor state’ economic experts say​

Victoria this week marks a decade of Labor rule. The Herald Sun has asked a number of economic experts to analyse the health of the state’s ecnomy — and the verdict is grim.

After a decade of Labor government, Victoria is now a “poor state” with the only option for recovery slowing the Big Build pipeline.
That’s the view of economic experts asked by the Herald Sun to analyse Labor’s management of the economy since coming to office on November 29, 2014 – 10 years ago on Friday.

During that period, debt has soared to record levels while the government’s tax take has more than doubled from $16.3bn to $36.3bn.

Government wages have blown out from $18.9bn to $36.7bn and debt per capita has more than tripled.

Net debt was forecast in May’s state budget to reach $187.8bn by 2027-28.

That’s 22 per cent of Victoria’s gross state product, well above the average of 11.2 per cent for the other states and territories.

But the government’s latest quarterly update, released in mid-November, revealed debt was soaring at an even faster rate than expected just a few months ago – rising by an incredible $80m a day.

And in a scathing report released on Friday, the Auditor-General’s Office warned the huge bill could have a long-term impact on taxpayers and service delivery, saying the government had no plausible long-term plan to bring the debt down.

 

[Mutineer]

You know it's diabolical when lefty economist Saul Eslake says it.

Independent economist Saul Eslake said that Victoria has become a “poor state”. Picture: Chris Kidd

Up, up and away: Victoria's debt under Labor.
Independent economist Saul Eslake said that Victoria has performed significantly worse on the economy than other states since Labor came to office.

“Victoria has become a poor state over the past 10 years,” he said.

 

[WetCrow1991]

Why is there no concern with the male suicide rate which makes up 75% of all suicides?

Why are you saying there is no concern when there is? Someone invested in the issue would know that there is concern.

If the rate was 75% women making up the suicide rate do you think there would be more focus and money invested into the issue?

There is plenty of focus and money invested into the issue.

I would presume the suicide rate and domestic violence are intrinsically linked.

Care to elucidate your theory?

Fixing the crisis going on with men will only benefit women but the left is scared to tackle men's health due to the backlash they would get from woke feminists. As usual the left focuses on where they get the most benefit politically instead of fixing the root cause of a problem.

Based on this statement I think you possess a fundamental misunderstanding on what feminism is, on feminist discourse, and on feminist literature. This will probably surprise you, but feminism is actually focused on combating many of the aspects of being a man in society that cause men to experience depression, that drive men to suicide.

 

[El Doederino]

If rules around things like bathrooms were that powerful then we wouldn't have any concerns about predatory men in society.

Sorry, what point are you trying to make here?

 

[WetCrow1991]

I was at a gig at Adelaide Uni just the other week.

They've now got female, disabled and "all gender" toilets but no men's and no urinals.

No urinals? But what about the men that want to confirm the genitals of other men, and have their own genitals confirmed, and get piss on the shoes and pants? These woke, DEI, trans species rainbow uni graduates are destroying the fabric of society!

 

[WetCrow1991]

Sorry, what point are you trying to make here?

That predatory men have never been given pause by the social norms of gendered bathrooms. If something as unenforceable as designated gendered bathrooms is powerful enough to dissuade predatory men from engaging in violent criminal acts, then predatory men could easily be dealt with and would be of no concern to society.

I'm mocking the idea that making rules about bathrooms creates safe spaces for women.