Australia v India - post 2nd Test discussion, we're all doomed? Maybe not.

[nobbyiscool]

Renshaw with a duck tonight.

This is turning into a nightmare...

 

[the_interloper]

Konstas had two hundreds in one game to put his name in lights. But that's about it so far. Is one match, albeit two innings, enough to push ahead? Given Bancroft has fallen away, Renshaw has one innings to point to, and questions always over Harris, maybe. McSweeney then to three, or five and Marsh (esp. if restricted in bowling) moves up?
The days of asking which test ready replacement comes in are long gone. Who will be the least disgraceful, and will they be less disgraceful than an incumbent? That's the question selectors have atm, and incumbency should have its benefit for team stability (although overplayed by selectors regularly, imo).

I probably wouldn't have picked Lab before Perth, so no qualms in making that change after one match.

In today's cricket that's almost beating the door down! I mean we have to pick 11 test players, and more importantly three top order players.

I just looked at Hilton Cartwright's last few matches, he's in good form, you could do worse than picking him. I know they want younger players but he'd have a few years left at Test level if he can get some runs.

Oh and Cartwright is picked as a bat, he's no all rounder from what I've seen, maybe like a Marnus.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

If Bancroft actually was actually a halfway reasonable option, making a hundred or two when there was actually pressure to perform to a spot would be useful.

Rather than having the shittest run of form to start a shield season in living memory.

If everyone is still crap after the 3rd test you can drop loose bus change and throw Banners in.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If Bancroft actually was actually a halfway reasonable option, making a hundred or two when there was actually pressure to perform to a spot would be useful.

Rather than having the shittest run of form to start a shield season in living memory.

If everyone is still crap after the 3rd test you can drop loose bus change and throw Banners in.

They will never pick Bancroft it's irrelevant.

 

[big_e]

I know he played the first 2 Ashes tests in 2019. The interview he did with the guardian in 2021 where he said the bowlers were in on the sandpaper plan is why his cards are marked from a team chemistry point of view no matter how good his form may or may not be.

Bancroft has a test average of 26 and was tried and failed when brought back post-sandpaper. That, and the fact he constantly is out-scored when given multiple Australia A and PM's XI games, is why he doesn't get picked.

He was in a bat-off for test selection all of three weeks ago. If his papers were stamped, the selectors wouldn't have put themselves in a position where they may have been forced to pick him.

Sure, he made the most belated of runs today, but he's been tried and just simply wasn't good enough.

 

[Manbearpig77]

it seems that Marsh isn’t able to bowl the required overs (hence the Marnus debacle).

My preference would be to drop Marnus, bring in Webster at #6 and move everyone one else up a spot. Play Marsh at #5 as a specialist batter. Or he could bowl the odd 2 overs in the hope of being a partnership breaker.

 

[Mostyn]

Khawaja
Head
McSweeney
Smith
Marsh
Webster/Hardie/Inglis
Carey

 

[Bucking Beads]

it seems that Marsh isn’t able to bowl the required overs (hence the Marnus debacle).

My preference would be to drop Marnus, bring in Webster at #6 and move everyone one else up a spot. Play Marsh at #5 as a specialist batter. Or he could bowl the odd 2 overs in the hope of being a partnership breaker.

Marsh is not good enough with the bat to be in the team if he can't bowl. Hardie or Webster at 6 if Marsh is no good. Marnus needs to forget about his bowling and focus on batting.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Interesting selection dilemma if we need to replace Marsh.. I'd be happy to see either guy given a chance but for me it would be Hardie.

 

[Coops93]

I think Webster is in better form but given age and profile of the team they'd probably prefer Hardie.

 

[the_interloper]

I think Webster is in better form but given age and profile of the team they'd probably prefer Hardie.

Hardie's overall numbers indicate he's worthy of being picked for sure. Webster's not as impressive but apparently his bowling has really improved, he could be interesting as well.

Since we're in left field mode has anyone considered moving Carey to number 3? Clearly it's a massive workload for a Test keeper to bat there but wouldn't be the worst option, he's in form at least.

 

[Coops93]

Hardie's overall numbers indicate he's worthy of being picked for sure. Webster's not as impressive but apparently his bowling has really improved, he could be interesting as well.

Not so sure it's that cut and dry. Webster has over 5200 first class runs and 12 centuries and 23 50s at 37, Hardie has 1700 runs and 3 centuries 6 fifties at 39. I think Websters numbers are better personally. Bigger sample size, more experience, a lot more runs & big scores on the board.

His bowling has improved, probably not as good still. He can bowl mediums as well as spin so there's some flexibility there.

 

[the_interloper]

Not so sure it's that cut and dry. Webster has over 5200 first class runs and 12 centuries and 23 50s at 37, Hardie has 1700 runs and 3 centuries 6 fifties at 39. I think Websters numbers are better personally. Bigger sample size, more experience, a lot more runs & big scores on the board.

His bowling has improved, probably not as good still. He can bowl mediums as well as spin so there's some flexibility there.

I was also looking at Hardie's bowling average too, he's got legit all rounder numbers, but yeah you make a fair point.

To be honest they might both get a go, if Labuschagne and McSweeney end up getting dropped Marsh might go up to open or number 3 with Head (maybe) and put them both in. I don't like the idea of moving Head from 5 but we don't have many choices currently.

 

[Some Idiot]

I'm what way is he BOG average , past two seasons leading runscorer.

He deserved to be picked instead of experimenting with Smith as an opener last year but his form to the start this season meant they couldn't justify his selection anyway. Harris would have been given the nod if they wanted to pick an actual opener.

 

[Some Idiot]

Unchanged for mine, we still need the young blood in Mcsweeney and should back Marnus in.

 

[Rob R]

So according to the age, our cricket bosses have decided our out of form batters need more time relaxing at home (despite skipping most of the shield already) rather than getting pink ball practise in the PMs 12 before the next test.

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[BGman]

Marsh
Webster/Hardie/Inglis

I'd swap positions. Marsh is a late order hitter not a top six specialist. The guy averages @30 in Tests, has played only 43 games since his 2014 debut. Speaks volumes for his inconsistency. He may be in a late career purple patch but do we see this continuing for much longer. I say make hay while the sun shines Bison.

So according to the age, our cricket bosses have decided our out of form batters need more time relaxing at home (despite skipping most of the shield already) rather than getting pink ball practise in the PMs 12 before the next test.

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Bewildering!!!

 

[Some Idiot]

With our top order in disarray, Tim Ward and Henry Hunt could not have picked a more opportune time to perform an almost lazarus type return to their best form after a lean trot. With all other candidates prob past Test rep age this pair at 27/28 and yet to reach their prime, have ample time to establish themselves in Test cricket.

Overall first class records are not good enough. No chance. Kurtis Patterson more likely to come under consideration if he posts another big score today. Reasonable first class record and has shown composure at test level.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bancroft in the runs again should make things pretty easy selection wise. The domestic player with the most runs three years in a row and is a genuine opener as well.

yes it brings his average up to about 15 this year...get him in lol

 

[LukeParkerno1]

it seems that Marsh isn’t able to bowl the required overs (hence the Marnus debacle).

My preference would be to drop Marnus, bring in Webster at #6 and move everyone one else up a spot. Play Marsh at #5 as a specialist batter. Or he could bowl the odd 2 overs in the hope of being a partnership breaker.

Under no circumstances is Marsh able to command a spot as a specialist bat! He's barely made a run this summer bar last innings, if he can't bowl pick Inglis it's that simple. Why do we need more bowlers in a pink ball test? Just bowl Trav more if need be

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So according to the age, our cricket bosses have decided our out of form batters need more time relaxing at home (despite skipping most of the shield already) rather than getting pink ball practise in the PMs 12 before the next test.

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Maybe they felt Lab had an improved innings of 3...never know he might get to 10 before the end of the series lol

 

[sherb]

Interesting selection dilemma if we need to replace Marsh.. I'd be happy to see either guy given a chance but for me it would be Hardie.

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Recent form is relevant in this discussion too, Webster has really gone up a level in the past few seasons.

I extracted the figures a few days ago, since the start of the 21/22 Australia season he is averaging around 52 in first-class cricket. On top of that he's taken 80 wickets in the same time (at 34), plus you've got his superlative slips catching.

He's really in the form of his life.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Whatever we do it has to be FOR Marsh not as well as, Inglis is the best bat right now out of the 3 and is the reserve bat. I don't see why we need this A/R anyway, having Green is a luxury but it's not as if we can't just go in with the 4 bowlers and use Head if need be either.

 

[BGman]

Aussie cricket is not doomed providing we nurture our most promising junior red ball talent, as seen in the Junior Ashes last year. The Poms fielded two good sides, both here and at home, but we were better across all facets. Other than Sam Konstas, names for CA to put in their little black book are ; Mahli Beardman, Charlie Anderson, Callum Vidler, Joel Davies, Harry Dixon, Liam Blackford, Hugh Weibgen, Ethan Jamieson, Raf MacMillan , Lachlan Aitken, Ryan Hicks. Besides Konstas, Anderson and Beardman are already on CA radar after their selection in the PMX1 side.

 

[Some Idiot]

Aussie cricket is not doomed providing we nurture our most promising junior talent as seen in the Junior Ashes last year. The Poms fielded two good sides, both here and at home, but we were better across all facets. Other than Sam Konstas, names for CA to put in their little black book are ; Mahli Beardman, Charlie Anderson, Callum Vidler, Joel Davies, Harry Dixon, Liam Blackford, Hugh Weibgen, Ethan Jamieson, Raf MacMillan , Lachlan Aitken, Ryan Hicks. Konstas, Anderson and Beardman are already on CA radar after their selection in the PMX1 side.

Even Ollie Davies, averaging 45+ for his first 1000 runs in first class cricket. Could spice things up if he makes a big score soon