Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 14 - Lions v Saints Fri June 14th 7:40pm AEST (Gabba)

[EddieMurphy]

1 flag in 126 seasons

Based on that logic why don't you support the Pies, Dons or Blues?

 

[Hollow Knight]

And even that was by a point.

And then they swapped jumpers with their opponents straight after the game so most of the photos make it look like a Collingwood premiership. You just have to admire the breathtaking ineptitude at some point.

 

[MickG88]

What do the crowd figures matter? Does it have anything to do with you or I? Should I feel ashamed ours aren’t higher? If so, why?

Not at all bragging - just stating objective facts. Our median crowd is around the 30k mark. The saints can’t crack 20k when playing interstate sides - glass houses and all that.

Bragging about crowd numbers is like bragging about premierships won in the 20th century.

30k average is abysmal considering the leg up you get from the AFL, Sydney get a similar leg up and they draw at least 10k more people each home game. You and your fan base sit there in superiority but the truth is without the AFLs help you would be worse than the Saints. Two shit clubs that were folded into each other just so the AFL could get into the Queensland market. Unsuccessful, I might add. Have a go at the Saints all you want but I find it more depressing to be a Brisbane Lions supporter, a self entitled sense of importance. Leg up from the AFL, leg up from the Umpires and still nothing to show for it. "But we won 3 flags 20 years ago" Same old deflection on why your not good now. Keep on keeping on Lions fans.

 

[MickG88]

Because the commentary team are full of morons. It was an infringement in the goal square. The same umpire called one later in the game when Zac Bailey gave away a free kick for pushing a player to the ground.

Channel 7 is so inept they showed the footage from the wrong end of the ground when reviewing it.

No it wasn't. It was a technical call because Mitchito Owens stepped out of the goal square as the ball was bounced. Not before but as it was bounced. Technically, a free kick.

 

[Hollow Knight]

30k average is abysmal considering the leg up you get from the AFL, Sydney get a similar leg up and they draw at least 10k more people each home game. You and your fan base sit there in superiority but the truth is without the AFLs help you would be worse than the Saints. Two shit clubs that were folded into each other just so the AFL could get into the Queensland market. Unsuccessful, I might add. Have a go at the Saints all you want but I find it more depressing to be a Brisbane Lions supporter, a self entitled sense of importance. Leg up from the AFL, leg up from the Umpires and still nothing to show for it. "But we won 3 flags 20 years ago" Same old deflection on why your not good now. Keep on keeping on Lions fans.

The writings of the Unabomber were less psychologically revealing than this screed. Hope you’re okay mate.

 

[paulige]

30k average is abysmal considering the leg up you get from the AFL, Sydney get a similar leg up and they draw at least 10k more people each home game. You and your fan base sit there in superiority but the truth is without the AFLs help you would be worse than the Saints. Two shit clubs that were folded into each other just so the AFL could get into the Queensland market. Unsuccessful, I might add. Have a go at the Saints all you want but I find it more depressing to be a Brisbane Lions supporter, a self entitled sense of importance. Leg up from the AFL, leg up from the Umpires and still nothing to show for it. "But we won 3 flags 20 years ago" Same old deflection on why your not good now. Keep on keeping on Lions fans.

I’ve supported this club my entire life. Been to 5 GF’s. Get up to the Gabba a few times a year. So I ask again; why should I care that (in your humble opinion) our crowd figures are lower than they ‘should’ be?

Should I have done anything differently? Should I be volunteering my time, rallying support in the streets of Woolloongabba?

There’s no superiority - that you think there is, only speaks to your internal unrest.

Your crowds are minuscule, but I don’t think that makes you any more or less of a supporter than some nuffie who happens to have chosen Collingwood as their team.

Bragging about crowds is like some 15 year old Bombers supporter trying to win an argument with “well we’ve won 16 premierships”.

Who gives a shit?

 

[Hollow Knight]

No it wasn't. It was a technical call because Mitchito Owens stepped out of the goal square as the ball was bounced. Not before but as it was bounced. Technically, a free kick.

technical adj.

Determined by a literal and/or strictly legal interpretation without subjective considerations

Sounds like something we need from the umpiring department more than ever.

AFL must be the only sport in the world where some fans genuinely expect laws to be interpreted so differently based on “context”.

How often do we see stuff like…

• “you shouldn’t pay that in a close game”
• “the umpire should put the whistle away with 5 mins left”
• “you can’t pay that right in front of goals”

I’m guilty of it myself, but outside the heat of the moment, it probably shows why fans belong in the stands and nowhere near the administration of the game.

Do we really want to give umpires more and more wiggle room?

 

[paulige]

technical adj.

Determined by a literal and/or strictly legal interpretation without subjective considerations

Sounds like something we need from the umpiring department more than ever.

AFL must be the only sport in the world where some fans genuinely expect laws to be interpreted so differently based on “context”.

How often do we see stuff like…

• “you shouldn’t pay that in a close game”
• “the umpire should put the whistle away with 5 mins left”
• “you can’t pay that right in front of goals”

I’m guilty of it myself, but outside the heat of the moment, it probably shows why fans belong in the stands and nowhere near the administration of the game.

Do we really want to give umpires more and more wiggle room?

When someone begrudgingly uses the word 'technically', this is all I can see/hear.

 

[MickG88]

technical adj.

Determined by a literal and/or strictly legal interpretation without subjective considerations

Sounds like something we need from the umpiring department more than ever.

AFL must be the only sport in the world where some fans genuinely expect laws to be interpreted so differently based on “context”.

How often do we see stuff like…

• “you shouldn’t pay that in a close game”
• “the umpire should put the whistle away with 5 mins left”
• “you can’t pay that right in front of goals”

I’m guilty of it myself, but outside the heat of the moment, it probably shows why fans belong in the stands and nowhere near the administration of the game.

Do we really want to give umpires more and more wiggle room?

No we don't but I would like everything to more fair and adjudicated based on a simple set of rules. I don't think that adding rules to make players safer is working and it just allows certain players to gain an unfair advantage. Those two frees to the Saints when Lions tackled them gently were a blight on the game. Dunkley did everything right in the situation, and still got penalised. But technical it was there.

The game is in a bad way.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Imagine having a home ground advantage and the umpiring advantage while only winning by 20 points, Grim.

YOU HAD MORE FREE KICKS YOU GOOSE

 

[Section 5]

No it wasn't. It was a technical call because Mitchito Owens stepped out of the goal square as the ball was bounced. Not before but as it was bounced. Technically, a free kick.

I don't know why people go on about free kicks paid or not paid after the game is over.
I can't recall in the history of the game any change of premiership points because of a free kick decision or non-decision.

You mention "technically, a free kick".
I would think just about 95% of free kicks paid are all technically free kicks. Thats why they pay them.
The other 5% is a guess on my behalf as there are too many grey arears in the rules to get frees 100% correct.
Then there are people like yourself who will argue something just for the sake of arguing.
The Lions board and all other clubs also have posters of this persuasion.

Instead of arguing about free kicks why not state how bad the Saints were in the 1st quarter.
Then add how well they fought back in the last only to just not be able to keep that momentum going.
The Saints were huge underdogs for the game but got to within 7 points in the last quarter so that's a positive.

On the flip side Lions supporters can argue the game was won in the first quarter.
Then when the Saints got to within 7 points in the last, they dug deep to find some goals that stopped the Saints comeback.

 

[MickG88]

I don't know why people go on about free kicks paid or not paid after the game is over.
I can't recall in the history of the game any change of premiership points because of a free kick decision or non-decision.

You mention "technically, a free kick".
I would think just about 95% of free kicks paid are all technically free kicks. Thats why they pay them.
The other 5% is a guess on my behalf as there are too many grey arears in the rules to get frees 100% correct.
Then there are people like yourself who will argue something just for the sake of arguing.
The Lions board and all other clubs also have posters of this persuasion.

Instead of arguing about free kicks why not state how bad the Saints were in the 1st quarter.
Then add how well they fought back in the last only to just not be able to keep that momentum going.
The Saints were huge underdogs for the game but got to within 7 points in the last quarter so that's a positive.

On the flip side Lions supporters can argue the game was won in the first quarter.
Then when the Saints got to within 7 points in the last, they dug deep to find some goals that stopped the Saints comeback.

I have said in the thread that the first quarter did cost the Saints, we started slow and the Lions rolled us.

The reason I said technical is because that is how the journalist (tom morris??) said it. I find it a bit pedantic as the ball was bounced as Owens left the square but what can you do.

I don't really worry about umps now a days because it fruitless, I really enjoyed the Saints game and thought there were positives that we can build off, just like you guys.

And before you go on about me commenting on the free kick, I was clarify why it was a free. People seem confused about the rules (just like me at the time) next time I will keep my info to myself.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

30k average is abysmal considering the leg up you get from the AFL, Sydney get a similar leg up and they draw at least 10k more people each home game

What?

Sydney have broken a 40k home crowd at the SCG just 16 times in their entire history.

Prior to this year, Sydney have never averaged over 35k attendance.