Current 95yo Clare Nowland Tased by Police RIP - NSW *Sen Constable Kristian White charged

[GROTTO]

i don't know, i know there's footage but i probably won't watch it.

The video is damning because it clearly shows how frail she was and how slowly she moved.

Here is a screenshot of her before the incident.

 

[Cmarsh]

If he was even remotely a chance of getting injured or worse, the jury would not have found him guilty.

Residents with dementia are capable of being very agitated. I would never make assumptions others are safe when one has a knife.

The jury deliberated on the decision for days. Clearly there were doubts.

 

[GROTTO]

Residents with dementia are capable of being very agitated. I would never make assumptions others are safe when one has a knife.

The jury deliberated on the decision for days. Clearly there were doubts.

If there was reasonable doubt, he would have been found not guilty.

Youre making assumptions about how and why the jury deliberated.

I dont dismiss the aspect you raised about dementia, its clearly evident though the prosecution and the jury with their decision believed he should have undertaken alternative courses of action as a trained police officer. His comment of "bugger it" before firing a weapon at her, didnt help his case.

 

[Cmarsh]

If there was reasonable doubt, he would have been found not guilty.

Youre making assumptions about how and why the jury deliberated.

I dont dismiss the aspect you raised about dementia, its clearly evident though the prosecution and the jury with their decision believed he should have undertaken alternative courses of action as a trained police officer. His comment of "bugger it" before firing a weapon at her, didnt help his case.

Fair enough but I do wonder about what the alternate specific reasonable coarses of action were in this situation.

 

[BFew]

Fair enough but I do wonder about what the alternate specific reasonable coarses of action were in this situation.

Lock or barricade her in a room or part of the facility until she falls asleep or gets tired and drops the knife from getting tired? Moving all other residents and staff out of that area.

 

[Cmarsh]

Lock or barricade her in a room or part of the facility until she falls asleep or gets tired and drops the knife from getting tired? Moving all other residents and staff out of that area.

Got to get her in a room first which would have been risky. It would have essentially meant imprisonment so legal means of doing so may have been problematic.

 

[Awakening]

If a police officer can’t disarm a 48kg 95 year old using a walker without tasing her, they shouldn’t be on the force.

 

[jason_recliner]

If a police officer can’t disarm a 48kg 95 year old using a walker without tasing her, they shouldn’t be on the force.

This. Absolutely cruel, lazy and pathetic effort on behalf of the lard-arse officer and he's paying for it.

 

[chickenonachain]

If that copper couldn’t disarm a frail old 95 year old 45kg woman what the hell is he doing being in the police force

 

[Rob R]

Got to get her in a room first which would have been risky. It would have essentially meant imprisonment so legal means of doing so may have been problematic.

She was in an office, could have just stepped back and shut the door

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[dumb]

The video is damning because it clearly shows how frail she was and how slowly she moved.

Here is a screenshot of her before the incident.

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i mean yes, you're absolutely correct. in theory he should be able to disarm her.

but i'm coming at it from the pen-pushing and box-ticking angle, and that angle will be why he got charged.
i don't know the police procedures. what are the police procedures around tasering armed individuals? it's well and good to say he should be able to overpower her. but is he allowed to? what discretion does he have?
what was he trained to do, and did he adhere to his training? whether or not he could physically disarm her, the answer looks like 'no'. he seems to have skipped a step, as they were preparing slash-proof gloves. i don't have an issue with him being charged if he's gone against training and procedure which has then caused unnecessary harm.

i'd be curious about how his charges relate to whether or not he could physically disarm her, vs police procedure. the nurses could maybe have disarmed her but didn't. because of policy and training? who knows, but it's a potential example of the way procedure is expected to trump personal judgement.

 

[Kurve]

Bad cop found guilty of manslaughter and sacked. The family's correct, it was too little too late. People get sacked all the time and they haven't killed anybody. I'd think with all the evidence available, the Commissioner shouldn't need to wait for a conviction to fire this idiot.

The family of Clare Nowland described the decision as "too little, too late" in a statement issued via lawyer Sam Tierney.

"The NSW Police Commissioner has today advised that Kristian White's ongoing employment has finally been terminated," the statement reads.

"The Nowland family consider the decision to be too little, too late … the Commissioner has had full access to all materials on which the jury last week found Mr White guilty of the unlawful killing of Clare for over 12 months and chose to take no action."

'Too little, too late': Family of Clare Nowland reacts to officer's sacking from NSW Police Force

Kristian White, who was found guilty last week of the manslaughter of the 95-year-old, has been removed from the NSW Police Force by Commissioner Karen Webb. The Nowland family has criticised the time the Commissioner took to act.

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