5th Test Border Gavaskar Trophy January 3-7 1000hrs @ the SCG

[Donuts_]

Why not? Bumrah had his arm open asking the question so Kontas answered him with "he is not ready". Did he say anything aggressive???

Don't think Konstas needed to get involved but it doesn't bother me too much.

What bothers me is McDonald moaning about "intimidation". I'd rather let India do all the sooking and moaning.

 

[evolved2]

simple drop him

His cough cough spin bowling probably saves him for the SL series.

 

[Cleavy]

apparently India's 3-1 loss is an optical illusion.

 

[PhatBoy]

I would be looking at the impact he had without using stats and instead the eye test

• Kohli bumps him
• India mock his arm waving geeing up the crowd gestures - they practically never do this with anyone else
• Bumrah is geed up by him - again have never seen him like this
• Bumrah again seems agitated by him when he intervenes with Khawaja facing up
• Khawaja dismissal - they charge him as the non striker
• Ghambir basically calls him soft at a media presser after today

He was 110% in their head and distracted them. There is a good argument he took their focus off the game enough that helped Australia win - beyond his momentum changing innings Boxing day.

His batting he showed is not sustainable but he certainly had a very big hand ( beyond runs ) in Australia winning.

Again what’s that got to do with anything when he’s not there, though? What are they planning for when he’s not at the crease?

I don’t doubt he rubbed them the wrong way and they desperately wanted to get him out while we he was there in order to give it to him. But after his first knock, he spent a combined 22 overs in the middle and they lost 5-96.

Whenever a team loses a series and there are flashpoints within it, I think people look back at it for all these little cues and things that maybe aren’t always there, as to why a side won or lost:

Scott Boland took 10 wickets in this game, Pat Cummins scored 90 runs and took 6 wickets in the last, and India’s batting let them down badly for most of the series. That’s the upshot of a lot of it IMO.

 

[Gavin Excell]

The two best series to watch are India in Australia (Australia not good enough in India) and Australia in England (England pathetic in Australia)

Edit: Oh and Australia in South Africa is usually good too

Yes this is correct

 

[PhatBoy]

apparently India's 3-1 loss is an optical illusion.

You’re a good poster: please please tell me this isn’t going to become the new ‘moral victory’ of the next 18 months

 

[Cleavy]

You’re a good poster: please please tell me this isn’t going to become the new ‘moral victory’ of the next 18 months

it probably is, unfortunately. (not necessarily by me)

 

[Gavin Excell]

simple drop him

Again correct

 

[ABAB]

Don't think Konstas needed to get involved but it doesn't bother me too much.

What bothers me is McDonald moaning about "intimidation". I'd rather let India do all the sooking and moaning.

I was aggressive what Bumrah did and then also Kohli deviated in his celebration and run towards Kontas again.

 

[Gough]

I reckon it was only 2 years ago where they didn't come to Adelaide (we had the two WI tests in a row)

Worth it for the Test this year and the potential of the Ashes next year.

 

[evolved2]

Don't think Konstas needed to get involved but it doesn't bother me too much.

What bothers me is McDonald moaning about "intimidation". I'd rather let India do all the sooking and moaning.

Exactly. It's silly to whinge about an adult test player being intimidated like he's a child.

 

[sherb]

It's still "on top" so to speak because a Not Out trumps someone who got out.

Therefore:

Taylor: 334*
Bradman: 334

Yes, I fully understand how that works.

But you said "highest score". Bradman and Taylor share that honour, not outs are irrelevant in that context.

 

[Father Jack]

She shouldn't be talking about want. You describe what you see happen you don't talk about your desires. She is utter tripe.

Yeah righto

 

[JimmyBC]

Kohli is interesting his average could end up trailing back to a Langer-esque type figure, I mean low to mid 40's is a damn good average at Test level but it certainly doesn't leave you retiring in the air of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting etc. etc.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Looks like Jim knew what he was talking about after all. Once a batting line up applied itself, they reached 160 odd quite comfortably.

India's failure to establish a significant first innings lead was costly in the end, so both their first and second innings batting collapses put them behind in the game.

lol. bullshit.

at the time of the post it was dead even. Australia registered a lower total than Indias first Innings. Proving the initial post that we were miles ahead incorrect. Bizzare how you can be miles ahead when you enter a lower runs total rofl.

Bumrah going out injured and unable to bowl was a major factor for Australia winning in the end.

We were lucky in the end we didn't have to face Bumrah, His out was massive.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Kohli is interesting his average could end up trailing back to a Langer-esque type figure, I mean low to mid 40's is a damn good average at Test level but it certainly doesn't leave you retiring in the air of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting etc. etc.

Well, that should be no shock. He's been a great player, but perhaps more in the Laxman, Ganguly generational great than Tendulkar all-time-world great. Or somewhere in between.

 

[Xtreme]

Look for his runs? Or what happened his ability to not nick off to slip every innings.

He's taking the piss out of the former captain who orchestrated sandpaper gate

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Given the MCG and SCG pitches aren't flat anymore, Bazball won't be as effective here.

Bazball wouldn't even be effective at the G anyway. Way too big to get away with it.

 

[ABAB]

Exactly. It's silly to whinge about an adult test player being intimidated like he's a child.

What about Test experience? Had this happen to Smith we wouldn't have even cared but then doubtful Bumrah and Kohli would have done it.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

In my opinion...and it's only my opinion, but if I was asked to pick a best Australian Test team since 1980 onwards, then the Openers would be Matthew Hayden and the other one would be Mark Taylor.

Hard to disagree but I’ll have a go. I’d put Boon slightly ahead of Taylor if it was solely about picking an opener. If you add contribution to leadership and fielding then Taylor may get the nod.

Boon played against many of the bowlers mentioned by a previous poster but also faced the cream of the Windows - Garner, Holding, Marshall.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[HirdsTheWord]

In my opinion...and it's only my opinion, but if I was asked to pick a best Australian Test team since 1980 onwards, then the Openers would be Matthew Hayden and the other one would be Mark Taylor.

id take Langer and Hayden.

 

[PhatBoy]

Given the MCG and SCG pitches aren't flat anymore, Bazball won't be as effective here.

lol, it’s literally what just won them the decisive test in the NZ series; playing that way on a pitch that had plenty in it.

 

[Lunchtime]

Hard to disagree but I’ll have a go. I’d put Boon slightly ahead of Taylor if it was solely about picking an opener. If you add contribution to leadership and fielding then Taylor may get the nod.

Boon played against many of the bowlers mentioned by a previous poster but also faced the cream of the Windows - Garner, Holding, Marshall.

Regards

S. Pete

Boon didn't open for his entire career like Taylor did. Thats why I left Boon out.

 

[The hands of stone]

Again what’s that got to do with anything when he’s not there, though? What are they planning for when he’s not at the crease?

I don’t doubt he rubbed them the wrong way and they desperately wanted to get him out while we he was there in order to give it to him. But after his first knock, he spent a combined 22 overs in the middle and they lost 5-96.

Whenever a team loses a series and there are flashpoints within it, I think people look back at it for all these little cues and things that maybe aren’t always there, as to why a side won or lost:

Scott Boland took 10 wickets in this game, Pat Cummins scored 90 runs and took 6 wickets in the last, and India’s batting let them down badly for most of the series. That’s the upshot of a lot of it IMO.

Everything .

It shifted their focus from being solely on winning the game to possible ' getting one back at that arrogant annoying Aussie ' .

India are an emotive team, once Kohli shoulder bumped him , Bumrah then out of character is riled up the rest followed along to get at him.

You can't use stats or figures for that , but India lost the above the shoulders game on that one .

 

[evolved2]

What about Test experience? Had this happen to Smith we wouldn't have even cared but then doubtful Bumrah and Kohli would have done it.

Anyone in the playing XI is fair game. If he wasn't ready, he wouldn't have been picked.

I think he loves the attention.