Autopsy 2025 Rd 3 Blues lose another lead to go 0-3

[4flagsin5yrs]

from memory when binns was given chances last season he was no where near it imo..

has he improved over preseason?

acres still has the bigger body to help with contests/tackling even if his disposals are crappy

for a guy with next to no senior exposure, his last two efforts were commendable imo:

 

[JJBagger]

that isn't the point.

Binns couldn't possibly be worse and needs game time at the top level.

Binns disposal is a clear deficiency at VFL level. Is exactly what we don’t need in a winger replacing Acres. Plus doesn’t have the body to compete physically or get back into defense the way Acres does

 

[Gethelred]

define effective.

a 3m handball to a stationary player or a 15m dink similarly or a 40m kick to no one in particular (but a 50/50 contest by definition)?

All three are deemed 'effective'. All three are practically ineffectual.

I can think of other adjectives to describe attacking a 21 year old ahead of senior players.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

he’s one of the few that might have a bit of currency due to his age - we need new, better players and in order to get them you generally need to trade for them.

he’s also surplus to our needs as a midfielder, we need a burst midfielder with a bit of speed who can hit the scoreboard, not another ‘nice’ one.

Walsh is the tradeable midfielder IMO. Talk is other clubs are going to come at him with big offers. We should oblige them.

McKay should also be on the table. IMO.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Walsh is the tradeable midfielder IMO. Talk is other clubs are going to come at him with big offers. We should oblige them.

McKay should also be on the table. IMO.

Only qualm with looking at trading Walsh right now is his currency is at an all time low with us.

I can’t see a club offering what he’s realistically worth. I’d rather back ourselves to get his body right.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Walsh is the tradeable midfielder IMO. Talk is other clubs are going to come at him with big offers. We should oblige them.

McKay should also be on the table. IMO.

Well at least we aren’t trading Cripps this time.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

When Motlop tried the outside banana shot on goal and missing when Evan’s was in the clear he should have been dragged and Voss needed to explain that ..that sort of play cannot be tolerated and he must take team approach.

by letting it go it sends the wrong message to all players…’ok to make mistake after mistake’

Not about publicly flogging him…more about nurturing young players to have a team first approach.

I actually dont have much of an issue with Motlop taking that kick on, despite Evans being open at the time.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Well at least we aren’t trading Cripps this time.

If we have another mediocre year, then as a fan, I’d be preparing to lose a key player or two. We should’ve done it last year.

for some reason both the club and supporter base are terrified of breaking up this group at all.

Here for flags, not to be best mates & start podcasts with Dan gorringe.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Well at least we aren’t trading Cripps this time.

If he wants a Premiership, we'll have to.

 

[Accidental genius]

I actually dont have much of an issue with Motlop taking that kick on, despite Evans being open at the time.

Me too - small forwards do need that instinct to go for goal but having some composure at critical times does help….he’s young so time is on his side.

 

[goreds]

Ollie Hollands is a third year player being played out of position on the HBF, who has always been light bodied. He's not built to stand under a high ball, and those that are have fobbed it off to him. Kicking him around for not being built like Mitch McGovern is idiocy, especially when the defensive *ups you're basing this on late against the dogs had Mitch in the immediate vicinity doing * all.

The highlighted bit is what concerns me.

What is his position?

If it’s wing, he’s got more than 1 in front of him. HF, he’s got 3 in front of him. No chance in the middle.

My concern, and has been for a while, is he has nothing special at all.

I feel as though he is playing until our injuries get sorted and then he’s out. If thats the case, give someone a go at HB and let him learn in the 2’s…

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Me too - small forwards do need that instinct to go for goal but having some composure at critical times does help….he’s young so time is on his side.

I dont dislike Motlop like many others here. He's absolutely worth persisting with IMO.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

The highlighted bit is what concerns me.

What is his position?

If it’s wing, he’s got more than 1 in front of him. HF, he’s got 3 in front of him. No chance in the middle.

My concern, and has been for a while, is he has nothing special at all.

I feel as though he is playing until our injuries get sorted and then he’s out. If thats the case, give someone a go at HB and let him learn in the 2’s…

No tricks.

He needs to be an elite kick for his position/s. he’s not.

Will have a battler of a career imo.

 

[Gethelred]

The highlighted bit is what concerns me.

What is his position?

If it’s wing, he’s got more than 1 in front of him. HF, he’s got 3 in front of him. No chance in the middle.

My concern, and has been for a while, is he has nothing special at all.

I feel as though he is playing until our injuries get sorted and then he’s out. If thats the case, give someone a go at HB and let him learn in the 2’s…

Check out the stats of these three blokes for their first 3 seasons.

Karl Amon of the Hawthorn Hawks Career AFL Stats

Karl Amon of Hawthorn Hawks career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

Dan Houston of the Collingwood Magpies Player Profile and AFL Stats

Dan Houston of the Collingwood Magpies profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

Jarman Impey of the Hawthorn Hawks Career AFL Stats

Jarman Impey of Hawthorn Hawks career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

'General midfielder' is a pretty... blanket term, and what we're currently doing prioritizes the defensive aspects of a role or position ahead of the defensive ones. Ollie is - in my opinion - better suited to playing more aggressive footy, because like an awful lot of footballers these days he's rather outside.

That doesn't make those footballers poor.

 

[JustaBattler]

Check out the stats of these three blokes for their first 3 seasons.

Karl Amon of the Hawthorn Hawks Career AFL Stats

Karl Amon of Hawthorn Hawks career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

Dan Houston of the Collingwood Magpies Player Profile and AFL Stats

Dan Houston of the Collingwood Magpies profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

Jarman Impey of the Hawthorn Hawks Career AFL Stats

Jarman Impey of Hawthorn Hawks career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

'General midfielder' is a pretty... blanket term, and what we're currently doing prioritizes the defensive aspects of a role or position ahead of the defensive ones. Ollie is - in my opinion - better suited to playing more aggressive footy, because like an awful lot of footballers these days he's rather outside.

That doesn't make those footballers poor.

He gets to places through effort and therefore when he fails occassionaly trying to do a bigegr body's job under fatigue and load he cops the criticism - unlike too many of his team mates who don't get there in the first place and therefore go under the BF Carlton board radar...

 

[blues4flag]

Ollie's one of a handful on our list who's intrinsically motivated and gives it his all. If he's the biggest of our problems, we're doing pretty well.

Re Acres, one of my favourite players but he's clearly not right. Coming off major back surgery and is struggling to have any impact. Whether it's Campo or Binns, we need to prioritise fit players.Give him a couple of weeks in the twos to build up to his best.

We're carrying 5-6 blokes in the team who are building to full fitness/out of form and it's killing us late in games.

 

[JustaBattler]

Not enough love for Kempy - a 5 goal haul for a bloke who has played less than 10 games up forward - also I'll say it again - Young may just have saved his career with a decent go at playing tall forward - although that might be a a tad premature to call.

I also thought Haynes is staertng to play himself into some form - although he has shown that as an experienced and former AA player - he can execute some real howlers. SPeakign of which it is getting rather tiring watch Acers getting back ot hsi worst kicking form - and seeing Cotterll play like a park football reject 3 out of 4 times and liek a champuon one out of four times he is involved in any sort of forward scoring situaiton.

SO angry with Williams and his perennial injuries delveired just after he made his best run and go effort for two years providing Carlton with some run through teh guts and lace out delivery for a goal.

The team is so close to winning these games and yet so predictable in how opposite goes about winning - along the outside weak flanks at Carlton - very weak.
Hige shout out to Jack Silvagni - rolling up as a nooboe defender and absolutely killing it- getting better with each game- something that cant be said for hios mate McGovern - we also need to see Cowan do more what's happened to the run he showed when he first started?

So the team racked up some positives on the way to its third loss: Kemp/Young/Jack big ticks also Charlie looking like he is getting back to Charlie form.

and now for my biggest beef - Silvagni Cerra and Walsh all on the bench on the last 4 minutes when the doggies sealed the game and the team showing 12 less rotations than opposition for the game- if that isn't stoopid I don't know what is.

 

[lily of laguna]

Not enough love for Kempy - a 5 goal haul for a bloke who has played less than 10 games up forward - also I'll say it again - Young may just have saved his career with a decent go at playing tall forward - although that might be a a tad premature to call.

I also thought Haynes is staertng to play himself into some form - although he has shown that as an experienced and former AA player - he can execute some real howlers. SPeakign of which it is getting rather tiring watch Acers getting back ot hsi worst kicking form - and seeing Cotterll play like a park football reject 3 out of 4 times and liek a champuon one out of four times he is involved in any sort of forward scoring situaiton.

SO angry with Williams and his perennial injuries delveired just after he made his best run and go effort for two years providing Carlton with some run through teh guts and lace out delivery for a goal.

The team is so close to winning these games and yet so predictable in how opposite goes about winning - along the outside weak flanks at Carlton - very weak.
Hige shout out to Jack Silvagni - rolling up as a nooboe defender and absolutely killing it- getting better with each game- something that cant be said for hios mate McGovern - we also need to see Cowan do more what's happened to the run he showed when he first started?

So the team racked up some positives on the way to its third loss: Kemp/Young/Jack big ticks also Charlie looking like he is getting back to Charlie form.

and now for my biggest beef - Silvagni Cerra and Walsh all on the bench on the last 4 minutes when the doggies sealed the game and the team showing 12 less rotations than opposition for the game- if that isn't stoopid I don't know what is.

For real!!!!
Those 3 were on the bench in the last 5 mins???
That is crazy!
2 of our “top tier” mids and no. 2 defender when the game is up for grabs.
Our team is not well managed and it’s very frustrating.
I had so little faith that with scores being level in the final quarter we would win, I guess the club had no idea what to do with those 3?

 

[lily of laguna]

I actually dont have much of an issue with Motlop taking that kick on, despite Evans being open at the time.

That was totally the wrong option.
Team first every time, should have been dragged for that and even if he had kicked it should have been dragged!!!!
That play is symptomatic of a poor team, and puts individual over team.
Sure if Evans wasn’t there and he had a clear shot go for it, but to burn a team mate like that when goals have been hard to come by is terrible.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I can think of other adjectives to describe attacking a 21 year old ahead of senior players.

Ahead of? No.

Attacking? Seriously?

Highlighting he's one of many who simply isn't performing to the required level.

 

[skadoosh]

That was totally the wrong option.
Team first every time, should have been dragged for that and even if he had kicked it should have been dragged!!!!
That play is symptomatic of a poor team, and puts individual over team.
Sure if Evans wasn’t there and he had a clear shot go for it, but to burn a team mate like that when goals have been hard to come by is terrible.

Yeah - a simple snap over the shoulder for a shot directly in front. You do not pass that up.

 

[Gethelred]

Ahead of? No.

Attacking? Seriously?

Highlighting he's one of many who simply isn't performing to the required level.

You said this:

Now do O. Hollands.

At present, a liability.

So yes, an attack, and yes, you didn't mention senior players.

 

[agro]

Perhaps we can look at some other left field options to play on the wing - at least some of the better field kicks on our list:

• Motlop
• Cerra
• Fogarty
• McGovern
• Fantasia
• Docherty
• Walsh
• Durdin
• Elijah Hollands
• Binns
• Carroll
• Wilson
• Lord
• Boyd
• White
• Cincotta
• Saad
• Moir
• Evans
• Cottrell

That way we may create better connection when transition from defence into attack.

 

[herodotus55]

Hmm, It is a different team that ran out in 2023, and second half of the season 2024 too many injuries, then this year some injuries and still playing players that I do not think are good enough to compete with the top teams - Motlop, Evans, Young, Cotterell, Boyd, Haynes McGovern and Fogerty - these players give there all but cannot compete against the best. There is a good nucleus of players, however the selectors go back to the players above and not bring in and try a youngster each week, like they did with Camporeale, which I think they need to
do to each week if they want to build a better team. Could Ben play off the half back line, and play Lucas and Carroll, Saad is there to, Walsh on a wing with Acres, use White and Moir on the half forward line together with Kemp, McKay and Curnow and Weitering, SOS and Cowan making up the backline, TDK in the ruck with Hewett, Cripps and Cerra and Lemmey the back up ruck, then Pittonett to help out (interesting Carlton have not chased another ruckman to help out) and then there is the likes of Binns, O'Farrell, Charleson and Wilson to try. Some of the youngsters can be the substitute and hopefully Cincotta and Williams overcome their injuries, and Elijah is okay to play, Ollie is okay too but not a backman and needs to compete for a spot on the wing to drive the ball long. Obviously cannot play all the youngsters as once but need to be introducing a couple each week in the team, while the others can help the reserves to win a couple of games.

 

[BlueTang]

Hollands is playing off the HBF, and is averaging 14 disposals a game, with the vast preponderance of those disposals are effective; 8 from 12 (dogs), and 8 from 11 (hawks), and 14 from 19 (tigers). His tackling is also up; he averages three tackles a game.

Ollie Hollands is not the problem we have at the moment. He isn't the one turning the ball over every time they kick it, nor is he a supposed leader making severe defensive ****ups, nor is he dropping simple marks and causing clangers despite his role being the complete opposite and his pay packet being twice as high.

Ollie Hollands is a third year player being played out of position on the HBF, who has always been light bodied. He's not built to stand under a high ball, and those that are have fobbed it off to him. Kicking him around for not being built like Mitch McGovern is idiocy, especially when the defensive *ups you're basing this on late against the dogs had Mitch in the immediate vicinity doing * all.

You Are very good at this, can you also do Elijah on last years output ? Cheers