Autopsy 2025 Rd 3 Blues lose another lead to go 0-3

[SurreyBlue]

Look at the bottom 6 players and tell me what they provide for us on a consistent basis...

Evans
McGovern
Hollands
Cottrell
Fogarty
Motlop

They are simply not AFL standard. And we don't have anyone (available) who is AFL standard to replace them.

How much of this is on Voss? (genuine question)

My bet, Motlop and Hollands will be the only ones dropped from this group.
Why isn’t Acres on your list?

Btw - Motlop tried to create a little noise, so not sure why he should be one of the first to go and Ollie has been ok until last night, so he deserves another chance. But I can see it now.

 

[reg_lower91]

R1
Goals in first half = 7
Goals in second half = 2

R2
Goals in H1 = 6
Goals in H2 = 2

R3
Goals in H1 = 7
Goals in H2 = 4

Total
Goals in H1 = 20 (avg 6.66)
Goals in H2 = 8 (avg 2.66)

 

[SurreyBlue]

R1
Goals in first half = 7
Goals in second half = 2

R2
Goals in H1 = 6
Goals in H2 = 2

R3
Goals in H1 = 7
Goals in H2 = 4

Total
Goals in H1 = 20 (avg 6.66)
Goals in H2 = 8 (avg 2.66)

Yep. Damning stat. We aren’t kicking nearly enough goals overall either.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Did anyone really feel it was sustainable even in the first quarter?
Dogs had 16 inside 50s in Q1 and missed a couple of absolute sitters - McNeil from 30m under no pressure mainly - and there was a stage in the later part of the first where they had about 70% time in forward half. Our defense held up well (and did for most of the game tbf) but it never looked like a winning formula

Every other week it's been Carlton with the huge number of ineffective inside 50s and easy misses. So yes I did think it was sustainable, because I've seen many a team sustain it against Carlton over the last 12 months.

 

[reg_lower91]

My bet, Motlop and Hollands will be the only ones dropped from this group.
Why isn’t Acres on your list?

Btw - Motlop tried to create a little noise, so not sure why he should be one of the first to go and Ollie has been ok until last night, so he deserves another chance. But I can see it now.

I was looking purely at ranking points as an objective measure of performance and those were our bottom 6 when looking at that metric.

Subjectively, I know Acres isn't impacting games as much but don't think he's as bad as some are suggesting.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I was looking purely at ranking points as an objective measure of performance and those were our bottom 6 when looking at that metric.

Subjectively, I know Acres isn't impacting games as much but don't think he's as bad as some are suggesting.

He is terribly out of form. He and Doc but I feel Doc needs some time as he has missed some footy, whereas Acres is putrid right now.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

You can add McGovern, Cottrell and Evans to that list

Different lists.
Doc has still earned our respect even if he's now stayed too long. A good club would have had the conversation but CFC are addicted to a good news story, even if it's not good news any more.
Gov has been a liability since day 1. Skilled but conditional as it gets and the lack of judgement holy crap.
Evans should just never have happened. Offers nothing.
Cottrell still has his uses but we just don't know how to make good use of players who aren't stars.

 

[reg_lower91]

He is terribly out of form. He and Doc but I feel Doc needs some time as he has missed some footy, whereas Acres is putrid right now.

What is it that I'm not seeing with Acres? Genuine question as i have heard this from a few people but not seeing it myself so suspect I'm missing something (perhaps focusing more elsewhere)

 

[Bale Dup]

Not going to win too many games with the worst disposal in the league.

We win the ball to start with more often than not (Rated highly in clearances) only to give it away (Rated lowest in disposal efficiency), then win it back through tackling (Rated highly) and turnovers (Rated highly) only to give it away again through poor disposal.
Simply cannot sustain poor disposal.


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[Y Goat]

Our team are like the Walking Dead. Brain dead zombies the swarm in numbers, and if they get hold of you, you are done, but any space whatsoever, and it's easy outsmart them and to burn them off.

Lol, hilarious.

I don't think it's all fitness. When we are on a roll we find the energy.
It's those useless hack kicks that turn the ball over and undo 10mins of good footy. It saps energy and really sucks the wind out of our sails.

Kicking efficiency wins games. That's why the Hawks are sitting on top of the ladder. They don't have to do half the work to get the score board ticking over.

Yes - when we’re on the break running into Fwd 50, pick out Oppo defender who’s 5m away from, say, Curnow, or kick to Oppo’s advantage, not our Fwd’s
- 6 or 7 of these last night, there’s the game.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Nope.

We gave up pick 6 for him, hes in his prime and for some reason was awarded a 5 year contract after an injury riddled year.

He doesn’t need to be ‘just ok’ or ‘serviceable’ in the midfield. Hes a key player who needs to step up when Cripps & Walsh can’t. He needs to be a top 30 mid in the comp for what we’ve invested in him.

Hes no way near that.

Hes also now untradeable due to a ludicrous contract length.

Why would you want to trade him? he's a quality midfielder.

 

[bmaurizio]

Trading Kennedy and Owies for zilch was a boo-boo, especially given the unfortunate advent of personal issues with Elijah and Harry too .
Not to be underestimated 4 solid contributors to positive team momentum, gone in early stages 2025.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

I am trying to fathom how players like Evans can come in off the SPP & get a game ahead of Moir & Binns?

Get ready for when white does it.. Shows how big our list management is..

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Why would you want to trade him? he's a quality midfielder.

he’s one of the few that might have a bit of currency due to his age - we need new, better players and in order to get them you generally need to trade for them.

he’s also surplus to our needs as a midfielder, we need a burst midfielder with a bit of speed who can hit the scoreboard, not another ‘nice’ one.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Voss can't coach and has to go, but 3 coaches now with this core group and now the top end in their prime. I'm not putting this all on the coach I think the players are not up to it mentally.

You can blame Innes, but how come we have the running out games problem, sydney didn't have that problem when he was there?

We play an annalog game plan, in a digital world game plan era.

Sydney have had a lot of slow starting seasons

 

[SurreyBlue]

What is it that I'm not seeing with Acres? Genuine question as i have heard this from a few people but not seeing it myself so suspect I'm missing something (perhaps focusing more elsewhere)

His disposal has gone to a new bad level and offensively adding little. Ranked 3rd and 5th in turnovers and clangers.
His overall averages and defensive work is down.

 

[JerryWexler]

For what it's worth you got hammered by the umpires from about halfway through the third quarter until the end. Pretty much every goal the Dogs got was directly or indirectly from a free kick, which they've proven over years to be very good at.

 

[The Sultan]

Cool story bro, WTF.
Rather than trying to be meme king.
Why don't read the full story. Which you haven't.

You site a comment you made two years ago, as well as emphasising the fact that you havnt posted since then.

So rather than write a post highlighting this fact I posted a meme.

Unless I misunderstood your post

 

[SOS Rules]

Same old, same old. Too much left to too few, we have a list that can't play the way winning sides play. Ball movement is just so haphazard and it killed us last night. So deflating.

When the oppo kicks out from full back why do we let teams move the ball down the ground at will. We guard space and don't man up and surprise surprise, the oppo get to enter their forward 50. We're not afforded that time and space when we bring the ball out of D50.

Rapt for Brodie Kemp, awesome performance. Weiters and JSOS ruled, TDK was bloody good but probably needed to score to fully frank his game. Really encouraged by Lewis Young with his goals and chop out ruck work. Was mystified why, after nailing a great set shot from a considerable angle, he didn't try to take the moment and kick at goal from a much easier position. The pass to Charlie was never on. This was one of many moments that lost us the game so am not going to hang him for this. George Hewlett gave his all and was our best midfielder. Charlie was ok but not in the game enough. Not surprising given his pre season. He is showing signs though, which is encouraging. Crippa tried hard but wasn't at his best. Hope he comes up alright after injuring himself.

From here, I find it hard to single out too many others for praise and this highlights our problem. Not enough quality spread throughout the team.

Will we have the balls to make changes to at least try something different. I fear not.

Anyway, there is always next week. No better way to get our first win for the year than by beating the Pies.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Acres has been absolutely putrid with his disposal but we can't drop him. He is so, so, so important with his running and effort to our defensive structure it's not funny. We just need to find others to deliver the ball inside 50.

You can afford to have a poor disposing, but hard running, defensive winger. In fact, most premiership teams in the past have (Berry 2024, Markov/WHE 2023, Langdon 2021, McIntosh 2020 etc. etc.) The problem arises when you have 2 of them like we do. We desperately need to make a move to put someone with at least competent disposal on one wing, whether it's Boyd or McGovern or whoever, I don't care, we need to try something different than Ollie/Doch/Cotts/I'm pretty sure I saw Frank Evans lining up on the wing a few times last night. Needs to change.

 

[Gethelred]

I don't even think its about training it. I think it's the position the players are in. Walsh and Cerra are still playing as if they are full inside midfielders. They are getting sucked into the contest like Cripps and Hewett who should be our main extractors. Because of that when we win the ball we don't have anyone that has spread from the contest to handball it out to who has space to deliver the ball inside 50.

... which is trained behaviour.

You do not know to go in and get the ball until you are trained to do it. They're doing that because that is what we spend our time doing: go in and get the ball.

You might also notice - especially against Hawthorn and Richmond rather than last night - that it's not just Cez and Walsh, but everyone. Everyone goes for a spilled ball or directly at the ball carrier. It allows teams to hand pass backwards then over the encroaching players to a now loose extra number, who is only loose because a bloke dropped off him to go at the ball.

Instead, the player winning the ball in congestion is forced to dispose of it and its more likely to be a rubbish disposal because they will be under immediate pressure. We need to shift the roles of Cerra/Walsh to be more outside to give us these options. And for me that is on the midfield coach who has seen the issue and isn't rectifying it.

I do not disagree with this, but the emphasis is different for me.

We are bad at tempo footy and slow play purely because we do not drill it enough. We are bad kicking inside 50 from slow and running plays because we do not train it; where to look, where to run, when to fly or block. We **** up standard handpassing and kicks purely because we do not spend enough time doing it.

We miss shots on goal because we do not train it.

 

[Opium]

A ****ing joke frankly.

All these fitness, high performance types get paid a lot of moolah.... (ditto the swag of assorted coaches)

for us to be overrun by them - like that - embarrassing.

We focused on speed and power. Our list does not have this player profile. Especially when you factor in the crash and bash taxing style we play.

 

[RAPPA]

Different lists.
Doc has still earned our respect even if he's now stayed too long. A good club would have had the conversation but CFC are addicted to a good news story, even if it's not good news any more.
Gov has been a liability since day 1. Skilled but conditional as it gets and the lack of judgement holy crap.
Evans should just never have happened. Offers nothing.
Cottrell still has his uses but we just don't know how to make good use of players who aren't stars.

Nail on head and symptomatic of the club mentality of thinking that the half dozen stars can pull the club to victory every time.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Not sure if I watched a different game to everyone else on here - but to my eyes the gameplan was miles better. We were actually brave with our kicking, and used the outnumber in the contest to run and handball forward in waves.

The issue for me is that it doesn't seem the players can run out games. I'd been blaming this on our dour offensive style, contested game & just the amount of defending we were having to do in other games. But this game had none of that in the first half and our players were still gassed by halftime and stopped taking the game on.

We looked like a different team in the first half, run and carry, handball chains, no 2 players tackling 1 opponent.
An obvious and positive change in game plan.

Now its time for more selection integrity if that's possible, with player availability.

 

[bigblueboy]

Voss can't coach and has to go, but 3 coaches now with this core group and now the top end in their prime. I'm not putting this all on the coach I think the players are not up to it mentally.

You can blame Innes, but how come we have the running out games problem, sydney didn't have that problem when he was there?

We play an annalog game plan, in a digital world game plan era.

Two issues as I see it -
It takes at least 12 months for even minimal change brought about by new approaches to high performance to be seen.
A game plan underpinned by contest at all cost is hard to maintain at the necessary intensity for four quarters.