List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[StCicatriz]

He is a ruckman who just had…

28 disposals (18 contested)
8 clearances (4 centre clearances)
30 hitouts
5 tackles
7 i50s
2 r50s

I want 23 of these types of B graders.

That's a very good game

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yep they and the Tigers looked like two bottom 4 sides.

I thought that Campbell looked very good, i wonder if Higgins could learn that.
Best thing since Acker.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Just to help people rationalise the offers being touted for players.

In 2010 the salary cap was not quite $8m and Riewoldt was on a reported $1-1.2m which is 12.5-15% of the total cap on one player (albeit one of the greats)

In 2025 the salary cap is $17.7m.

To pull someone away from their club for an equivalent wage who looks a potential superstar AND only lose cash, is something that can’t be sneezed at when rebuilding.
The value of retaining draft capital and adding A Grade talent goes beyond the value of the total contract.
Don’t let the numbers in the media scare you.

 

[Rogue Warrior]

Just to help people rationalise the offers being touted for players.

In 2010 the salary cap was not quite $8m and Riewoldt was on a reported $1-1.2m which is 12.5-15% of the total cap on one player (albeit one of the greats)

In 2025 the salary cap is $17.7m.

To pull someone away from their club for an equivalent wage who looks a potential superstar AND only lose cash, is something that can’t be sneezed at when rebuilding.
The value of retaining draft capital and adding A Grade talent goes beyond the value of the total contract.
Don’t let the numbers in the media scare you.

Well stepped out. The last point is key for me. The reason these big clubs get ahead and stay ahead isn’t just being able to attract key players. It’s being able to do so as free agents, while retaining draft capital to also keep adding young talent or doubling down and then trading.

Collingwood couldn’t have continued to pickup players without free agents being a key part of that.

 

[Macgruber]

I think we are underestimating the need for a key forward alongside Max for the next decade. Could Tauru be that player? Are we still on Ben King watch? Would we draft a key forward with our 2025 1st if available?

What’s your thoughts?

We are so light up front and have been for over 10 years now.

Ben king would have to be our no 1 target

Hayes Goddard Harvey Lyon etc…

He’s a former saints supporter sigh him up.

 

[gringo2011]

I think we are underestimating the need for a key forward alongside Max for the next decade. Could Tauru be that player? Are we still on Ben King watch? Would we draft a key forward with our 2025 1st if available?

What’s your thoughts?

We are so light up front and have been for over 10 years now.

Sharman and Caminiti look like they are worth persisting with. Both are still very raw. Hammer going at a goal a game and just turned 21. Stats would probably look similar for a lot of the better KPFs over the years. Sharman looking like he just needs to find a bit of consistency to be a 40+ goal mobile marking forward.

I think the way footy is played I'd rather a Nick Watson or Isaac Rankine type.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah he certainly could be.

I have no idea where they settle him down. But I love the idea of him behind the ball in this day and age.

Intercept possessions are worth their weight in gold. High flying intercepts even more so.

You get that with Tauru. You also don’t break him having 4 blokes crash into him from every direction like they did for over a decade on Rooey.

Watch his draft highlights. There are plenty of Tauru (full game highlights) from his backend of season. He plays both back and forward. Very exciting.

Very evident as to why he was touted as high as #2 on draft night. He is boom or bust. But he has the highest potential in my eyes. Yes even above Lalor.

From what I saw he seems like an apex predator off CHB, like Jeremy Howe mixed with Tom Stewart. I imagine that's where he settles long term. Could do a Naughton I guess.

 

[ScrappyDo]

He's definitely a gun player with potential to be the best ruck in footy. To me the only question is how much of a priority is doubling Rowan Marshall compared to a gun FB, small forward and a star mid. It's going to be a restrictive contract but if we can get a potential star without losing draft capital you'd be crazy not to do your sums.

If we land TDK there's nothing that says Marshall doesn't then land on the trade table.
We won't be swanning into 2026 with 5 listed ruckman.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Anyone who utters the words "I don't want to go to St Kilda" to anyone in any circumstance is a pass for me.

The latest trend for News Bullshit Tabloid headlines, seems to be :

Reporter : " Is it true that you are going to StKilda Fred ".
Fred : " Well they made a very attractive offer, but i'm just so happy where i am, all my mates are here and the team is going places ".

Headline " Fred declares that he doesn't like the StKilda players and wouldn't be caught dead going there despite them offering all the money in the universe, because they aren't going places, and their coach smells of Elderberries ".

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Tiger hit the right draft to load up on. Looks like they have a few absolutely blue chip prospects. Their injury list looks quite good right now with plenty of high end players available. If they get depth tested they'll start to struggle again IMO but they are building belief and trust.

Yep, and still have Smiley and Taj Hotton in the background.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

If TDK was to say yes, what kinda picks would we need to be giving up for SDK?

 

[littlecreatures]

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If TDK was to say yes, what kinda picks would we need to be giving up for SDK?

He’s a free agent I thought, so unless Carlton matches we don’t have to give up picks?

 

[dudeintheswamp]

He’s a free agent I thought, so unless Carlton matches we don’t have to give up picks?

Talking about his brother Sam who is out of contract with the Cats at the end of this year.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Both TDK & SDK are both RFA at the end of this season?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Well stepped out. The last point is key for me. The reason these big clubs get ahead and stay ahead isn’t just being able to attract key players. It’s being able to do so as free agents, while retaining draft capital to also keep adding young talent or doubling down and then trading.

Collingwood couldn’t have continued to pickup players without free agents being a key part of that.

Pies are going to be in one almighty world of hurt soon. Free agents won’t fill the gaps that will come. This is extraordinary- there is a tiny little group of younger guys.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Both TDK & SDK are both RFA at the end of this season?

Not SDK. I imagine Sam would be a mid-first round as of now given he still has upside? But will depend on how this year goes because he’s stagnated. His brother embarrassed him in the ruck last year and not sure that’s his go.

 

[austinnn]

If we land TDK there's nothing that says Marshall doesn't then land on the trade table.
We won't be swanning into 2026 with 5 listed ruckman.

Or we more likely drop Max Heath in the "Too Hard" bin and let him blossom at another club. Is hate to see it, he's done nothing wrong, but with Dodson there for the future, he's up against it.

Having said that, it's just as likely to trade Marshall - depending on the depth of interest I'd be open to the idea.

Hairy Boyd would have to have an amazing 2025 to stay on the list for the following season.

 

[jumperfan]

Not SDK. I imagine Sam would be a mid-first round as of now given he still has upside? But will depend on how this year goes because he’s stagnated. His brother embarrassed him in the ruck last year and not sure that’s his go.

He's wasted in the ruck. His best season was as a key defender.

 

[CursingFijian]

I remember the good times when we were half a chance to get Laverde. Life was much simpler then.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Why this young superstar knocked back $18 million and a home loan

He signed with GWS on the eve of the season for $4.5 million over four years, which will take him to the eve of the 2030 season when he becomes a free agent.

www.theage.com.au

Callaghan, from Melbourne’s bayside suburbs, never received a written offer from St Kilda nor did he ever meet Ross Lyon, but $18 million over 10 years was the number and a million-dollar home loan on favourable terms was on the table.

Although nothing was formalised, the proposed home loan would most likely have fallen into the additional services agreement category.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Why this young superstar knocked back $18 million and a home loan

He signed with GWS on the eve of the season for $4.5 million over four years, which will take him to the eve of the 2030 season when he becomes a free agent.

www.theage.com.au

Callaghan, from Melbourne’s bayside suburbs, never received a written offer from St Kilda nor did he ever meet Ross Lyon, but $18 million over 10 years was the number and a million-dollar home loan on favourable terms was on the table.

Although nothing was formalised, the proposed home loan would most likely have fallen into the additional services agreement category.

 

[saintbill]

He's definitely a gun player with potential to be the best ruck in footy. To me the only question is how much of a priority is doubling Rowan Marshall compared to a gun FB, small forward and a star mid. It's going to be a restrictive contract but if we can get a potential star without losing draft capital you'd be crazy not to do your sums.

Exactly. Happy to splash cash at free agents but it should still be a need. I genuinely don't think TDK makes us that much better.

Takes Marshall out of the ruck for a fair chunk of the game. At present Marshall is a better player

So what do we get, more of Marshall resting forward for no real benefit around the ground?

The more I think about it, the more I hate.the idea. Would think differently if TDK was a gun forward also, but he is not.

We need a gun small mid, a gun small defender, a proper full back, a second key forward, and at least one gun midfielder. We have obvious list holes that urgently need fixing.

Spending 1.7m a year on a ruckman, when you have one of the best 3 rucks already, AND you have massive holes on the list in other places is just more dumb list management if you ask me.

 

[gringo2011]

Exactly. Happy to splash cash at free agents but it should still be a need. I genuinely don't think TDK makes us that much better.

Takes Marshall out of the ruck for a fair chunk of the game. At present Marshall is a better player

So what do we get, more of Marshall resting forward for no real benefit around the ground?

The more I think about it, the more I hate.the idea. Would think differently if TDK was a gun forward also, but he is not.

We need a gun small mid, a gun small defender, a proper full back, a second key forward, and at least one gun midfielder. We have obvious list holes that urgently need fixing.

Spending 1.7m a year on a ruckman, when you have one of the best 3 rucks already, AND you have massive holes on the list in other places is just more dumb list management if you ask me.

I guess Marshall is already 30 in 2025. That gives him maybe 3 more years before he's probably breaking down. TDK can play forward ruck so may actually prolong ROMAs career if they wanted to alternate. The way Marshall is expected to compete is pretty brutal. He's not one of those giant bulletproof lumps, he's kind of fine boned compared to other rucks. I can see the positives but he's going to want to move the needle for that money.

 

[SteeleSaints]

The minnow club perception/reality hurts us more than most appreciate, we are handicapped on every front, starting with recruiting.

It seems we are going at every quality free agent in the hope to eventually shake one or two free? Yes the money mentioned offered to TDK is well above his market price, but in recent times we simply havent been able to move anyone previously.

Its pretty obvious that free agency only really benefits the larger/richer clubs? Mostly player movement is linked to external player revenue or the opportunity to play in front of large crowds and have some sucess. Clubs like Collingwood generally get a large % of whom they target, whereas we are left scratching our heads in wonderment.

Thus far we are offering big money to targetted players with zero sucess. If TDK is remotely interested in coming to our club it will be a win and may open up the opportunities to attract others. He is no super star (yet), but I can see the benefits in having two serious rucks who can also play forward.