List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

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kernelT said:
We’ve brought in Henry & Dow to improve our midfield plus added a jet in Wilson. Clark a top 10 mid playing.

We have schoey and Bonner playing so Sinclair can run through the mid.

Hill & Wood are going well.

It seems that any deficiencies we have are because the list is no good but any positives are attributed to the coaching and development.

The list looks better now than it has for about 15 years, yet we’re not travelling any better than when Ratten was coaching.
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Henry has played 8 games.
Dow has played 5.
 
MOLTEN GANGLANDS said:
what's your point gringo? our midfield have been lackluster for a long time, we need a good midfield to compete, it's plain as day. The clubs he listed have good midfields. end of story. You're insufferable sometimes
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And put me on ignore if you don't want any opinion outside your own. I'm not responsible for your spinal limpness.
 
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The Punter said:
The Battle stuff has all been talked out.
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The biggest disappointment for me is that it is not development but development of front end scoring.
Lyon put in place last year his trademark defensive structure. Taught everyone to defend, we had the best defence in the League last year.
To me that is great team development.

Preseason the focus was to maintain that defence but score an average 2 to three more goals a game. Unfortunately this hasn't worked at all.
We have lost 6 games under 18 points and another by nineteen. Probably four of those games are wins if we convert our inside 50's into two to three more goals a game.

This is where we have fallen down and where Lyon has not improved us. Our midfield is bang average and just doesn't deliver into our forwards, King, Membrey, and Owens have been down through a combo of injury and form, Higgins and Butler injury and suspension.

We all know how average our mids are, but the biggest failing has been getting these average mids to deliver better.

So in summary Lyon has developed a very good defensive team, but has not been able to developed his stated goal of two to three more goals on average per game.

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Diehard Saint said:
It may look better on paper but...
problem is we lost Crouch for an entire season (it seems) in the area we could least afford it, and he has been very good for us in the past few years. We can see the difference without him.

Dow has come in underdone, so hopefully will improve, but was supposed to be in addition to Crouch, not instead of him.

Henry and Wilson are not the ball getting, centre bounce mids that Crouch is, so cant really use them as an example.
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Neither is Byrnes, or probably Hotton.
Owens potential?
 
Marshall, 28, was reported to be considering his future at the club which prompted the star big man to set the record straight with senior officials this week.
The big man, who is contracted until the end of 2027 at Moorabbin, told the club he was surprised by the trade link and was adamant he was not interested in a move.
The ruckman is one of the club’s most important and highest-paid players after signing a five-year contract extension in 2022.
He finished third in the best-and-fairest last year once again showcasing his durability playing 24 matches after finishing runner-up in 2019.
The trade speculation shut down will come as a welcome news to Saints fans this week as the club prepares to take on Port Adelaide which has been stung by last weekend’s thrashing from Brisbane Lions and pressure on its coach Ken Hinkley.

The Power have enjoyed a remarkable stranglehold on the Saints dating back to 2011, winning 13 of their last 14 games over St Kilda.
But the Saints have fallen only marginally short in their past four games, losing each by 13 points or less.
The Saints have locked in Marshall, Max King, Callum Wilkie and Jack Sinclair to long-term contract extensions and will aggressively hit the free agency market over the next two years to secure some more goal kicking polish, big-bodied midfielders and a prime key defender.
Geelong livewire Tyson Stengle is weighing up offers from the Cats and Saints and would be able to move for nothing at season’s end as a free agent.
But the Saints are expected to make bigger moves at the end of next year when they will target some prime on-ballers such as North Melbourne’s Luke Davies-Uniacke who is expected to field offers from multiple clubs worth more than $15 million over 10 years.
Fremantle’s Andrew Brayshaw is also a free agent next year, and has been leapfrogged in the midfield mix by superstar teammates Caleb Serong and Hayden Young.
The Saints are eager to secure at least one more powerful ballwinner to help spearhead their midfield brigade as part of a push up the ladder.
Marshall is considered a key plank in the club’s list build and could still have his best football ahead of him at the Saints with Melbourne’s Max Gawn, aged 32, in the midst of one of one of his best season’s as the club’s lead ruckman.
The Saints will target top-end talent at this year’s draft and currently hold pick five.
 
LDU staying and Carlton fattening up Marchbank for the market. What a cracking day eh
 

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stavro#4 said:
Marshall, 28, was reported to be considering his future at the club which prompted the star big man to set the record straight with senior officials this week.
The big man, who is contracted until the end of 2027 at Moorabbin, told the club he was surprised by the trade link and was adamant he was not interested in a move.
The ruckman is one of the club’s most important and highest-paid players after signing a five-year contract extension in 2022.
He finished third in the best-and-fairest last year once again showcasing his durability playing 24 matches after finishing runner-up in 2019.
The trade speculation shut down will come as a welcome news to Saints fans this week as the club prepares to take on Port Adelaide which has been stung by last weekend’s thrashing from Brisbane Lions and pressure on its coach Ken Hinkley.

The Power have enjoyed a remarkable stranglehold on the Saints dating back to 2011, winning 13 of their last 14 games over St Kilda.
But the Saints have fallen only marginally short in their past four games, losing each by 13 points or less.
The Saints have locked in Marshall, Max King, Callum Wilkie and Jack Sinclair to long-term contract extensions and will aggressively hit the free agency market over the next two years to secure some more goal kicking polish, big-bodied midfielders and a prime key defender.
Geelong livewire Tyson Stengle is weighing up offers from the Cats and Saints and would be able to move for nothing at season’s end as a free agent.
But the Saints are expected to make bigger moves at the end of next year when they will target some prime on-ballers such as North Melbourne’s Luke Davies-Uniacke who is expected to field offers from multiple clubs worth more than $15 million over 10 years.
Fremantle’s Andrew Brayshaw is also a free agent next year, and has been leapfrogged in the midfield mix by superstar teammates Caleb Serong and Hayden Young.
The Saints are eager to secure at least one more powerful ballwinner to help spearhead their midfield brigade as part of a push up the ladder.
Marshall is considered a key plank in the club’s list build and could still have his best football ahead of him at the Saints with Melbourne’s Max Gawn, aged 32, in the midst of one of one of his best season’s as the club’s lead ruckman.
The Saints will target top-end talent at this year’s draft and currently hold pick five.
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Great from Marshall to put the rumours to bed quickly.
 
stavro#4 said:
gringo2011

Clubs with 4 Gun mids:

Swans: Gulden Heeney Warner Mills (hasn’t even played yet) with a plethora of good mids supporting them.

Giants: Cogniglio Callaghan Kelly Green

Pies: Naicos Jaicos De Goey Pendles

Lions: Neale Ashcroft Dunkley Mcluggage

Dogs: Treloar Bont Libba Richards

Suns: Millar Anderson Rowell Flanders
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No Carlton

Cripps and Walsh are very good.

Wce don't now but of they retain Harley Reid they will do.
 
gringo2011 said:
I reckon one gun mid would change us up immeasurably. Steel before injury this season and a fit Dow with a drafted kid makes us a lot better. Especially with Windy developing. Probably need a bit of depth like Brodie type too. Just for injury cover even.

Suggesting that we are no good until we have 4 star quality mids is just setting a bar so high that you'll never get there.

Chase Callaghan, LDU types in a trade and some depth or bridging player like Parker or Brodie. Get those and we are sorted. Add Stengle and keep our existing players and I reckon we are sitting similar to Essendon. Better to bring kids through and attract players in trades.
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hahaha, classic strawman debate tactics..

the quote was "until we develop or land 2-4 A grade mids. This is our future."

the number started at 2, you're basically agreeing with him by saying snag LDU and parker... that's 2 A grade mids, then natural development of windy and sinclair is already A grade... that's 4 brother

you're just arguing for argument's sake, but hey who am I to tell you how to waste other people's time
 
Does everyone feel that LDU to St Kilda is just a bit of a pipe dream? It just doesn't make sense, if he was to leave why would he go to a club that is so similar?

He's obviously what we need and I'm very happy for us to dangle cash but I just don't really get why he would make that move.

Maybe Brayshaw is a more realistic target, has the Lyon relationship already.
 
beside the seaside said:
Does everyone feel that LDU to St Kilda is just a bit of a pipe dream? It just doesn't make sense, if he was to leave why would he go to a club that is so similar?

He's obviously what we need and I'm very happy for us to dangle cash but I just don't really get why he would make that move.

Maybe Brayshaw is a more realistic target, has the Lyon relationship already.
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It was always a pipe dream, as is any free agent mid. History shows you can’t buy them. We need to target someone who isn’t getting opportunity or look within. We need our version of Haydn Young/Ed Richards.
 
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