Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[Wee Jessies]

If we were to Trade 11, could that get us both Gws picks? Or would we have to give up a second as well?

No I don't think even GWS do that. I suggested previously 11 18 and 30 for 15 16 and 21. I think they would do that.

 

[Superkoops]

I appreciate the flaws with points and how picks might blow out but that aside 10 and 11 is a higher value than the Horne Francis trade.

10 and 18 is equivalent to pick 2 even in the new values. It’s hardly a belligerent unfair stance as some are trying to make it out. If accepted it will rank as one of the highest (non- Gold Coast) prices ever paid.

Forgetting the later pick swaps like in the Luke Jackson trade F2 > 41,57

After academy bids
Luke Jackson 7,15
Hogan 6,27
Neale 6,22
Brad Hill 10,40 (incl. Blake Acres)
Cerra 6,43
Weller 2

Therefore a trade for contracted Bolton after academy picks:
11+22 is about par.

 

[Alfonz]

Genuine question. Why is Bo Allen rated so highly? You see all the Vic kids getting crazy numbers in VFL where Allens numbers are quite low??

Aren't those Vic kids rated ahead of Allen? And the Vic kids apart from Lalor are either short or big and slow. Allen was top 4 in agility and jumping at the combine. His 20m was 2.982 according to eDPS who is posting numbers on the main drafting board. Not lightning, but certainly much quicker than Langford and Smillie. Allen and Lalor are the only mids that seem to be in the top 10-15 that have height and explosiveness/power. High ceiling.

 

[Dockeroo]

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Llordo is a touch biased as he works at Hailebury school and is therefore quite invested in the AFL private school scene over there.

Goes without saying it’s absolutely ridiculous comparing some kid to Bont but this kind of hyperbole is par for the course at every draft.

 

[Ge3ks]

This is quite clear to me but I think a few of the posters on here have fallen in love with the idea of Shai and that's a terrible place to negotiate from.

So what if they have? It does not matter. None of us are negotiating this trade. And Walls has stated we will walk away if the price is too high.

 

[bigfoopy]

To be fair, all though we could have done a better job with him, a lot of it fell on Hogan and his attitude from the time he came here, he lacked so much maturity and never gave us the professionalism that he needed to. It was only once he escaped the limelight, realised it was his last chance and then had Mumme lock him in his backyard that he decided to finally grow up.

He owns it all and realised he ****ed up, but you’re very hard on the guy. He was going through stuff I couldn’t imagine going through as a young man

 

[Tony_Clifton]

So what if they have? It does not matter. None of us are negotiating this trade. And Walls has stated we will walk away if the price is too high.

You're right of course. In terms of people with actual influence the concern is whether they feel the pressure for an immediate boost given the lofty goals management have set out.

One of the best decisions the club has ever made was taking picks 2, 4 and 4 to the draft. I'm sure Drummy et al. were feeling the pressure for immediate success.

 

[Freo]

To be fair, all though we could have done a better job with him, a lot of it fell on Hogan and his attitude from the time he came here, he lacked so much maturity and never gave us the professionalism that he needed to. It was only once he escaped the limelight, realised it was his last chance and then had Mumme lock him in his backyard that he decided to finally grow up.

He was a young bloke having to deal with testicular cancer and the illness and death of his Dad Anthony. FFS anyone would struggle with that. Footy is just a game. Bit of perspective...

 

[Van_Dyke]

Llordo is a touch biased as he works at Hailebury school and is therefore quite invested in the AFL private school scene over there.

Goes without saying it’s absolutely ridiculous comparing some kid to Bont but this kind of hyperbole is par for the course at every draft.

if lloyd is talking up a draftee it's typically someone he coached, honestly kinda funny as a bit

 

[guidodp15]

You heard it here first, ChatGPT believes 10 and 18 is fair:

"Shai Bolton is generally viewed as a highly valuable player, given his combination of skill, speed, and game-changing ability. In the current AFL landscape, he could be worth a top-10 pick or a combination of high picks and potentially a player, depending on the trading team's needs.

His age, potential for growth, and recent performances would also play a crucial role in determining his value. Overall, I’d say a fair deal for Bolton might involve a pick in the top 10, potentially alongside a later pick or player, reflecting his status as a key player for his team."

Lol i did this too, but the response was vague and something like "Multiple first round picks and possibly a player"

I'll die on this hill, but I will never consider the Hogan trade in a dud. I will however consider the Hogan trade out a dud. I still maintain he would have become the forward he is (again) today if we had put the time and care into him.

We were all so desperate to get him in to the team because we knew he was a superstar. He IS a superstar.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we traded the wrong KPF out of the team, had we persisted with him, given him the time and "love" that he needed, nobody would be talking about how "the Hogan trade was an unmitigated disaster". We'd all be talking about how threatening a (quadruple) JJJJ forward line looks.

Jesse was never going to work here. He wanted to drugs in peace and that's why he jumped at going to Sydney because he was told you can walk down the street without being recognised.

 

[Hamann188]

I agree on the trade being the right call but geez he did a lot wrong with us that he doesn't seem to have been doing at GWS. Not sure why he chose not to fully invest in us. Ultimately Jessie got himself sacked by Fremantle in my view and we needed to make that stand for the sake of our standards. If we gave him a cuddle he probably just keeps breaking the rules, we take the ultimate hard line and he wises up. No win situation.

If Hogan stays does he get better with us? Does Treacy and Amiss actually get games around him? Just have to move on sometimes.

Yeah I understand that. But I always wonder, If Jesse had been the focal point of our forward line surrounded by some very promising young stars as opposed to the feet draggers he was thrown in with, would his attitude have changed?

 

[Black Saab]

Is Black Saab a Seinfeld reference?

Nah, in all honesty, I'm a huge Saab fan and black was my colour of choice back in the day. Seinfeld was right though, black Saab rules!

... The car that is, not me

 

[Purple Jesus]

Yeah I understand that. But I always wonder, If Jesse had been the focal point of our forward line surrounded by some very promising young stars as opposed to the feet draggers he was thrown in with, would his attitude have changed?

No.

 

[DCFCFAN84]

No offence mate but might want to read that GWS trade again. Pick 51 is not getting those picks upgraded.
I don't think 30 unlocks the Saints picks either.
I also wouldn't do that trade with Sydney if we held 8.

Alternative:
10 11 18 to Saints for 7 and 8
7 and F2 for Bolton
Keep 8 or split with GWS for 15 and 16 if they would do it

I like this and I'd like it even more if we bid on Kako to make Essendon waste their pick and then trade down

 

[Swiggy]

He was a young bloke having to deal with testicular cancer and the illness and death of his Dad Anthony. FFS anyone would struggle with that. Footy is just a game. Bit of perspective...

100% just finished listening to his podcast on dyl & friends, was pretty open and raw. He takes the blame for what happened at freo, but can understand why he was in the hole he was in at the time.
All that you have mentioned plus he come to freo injured

So glad to see him come out the otherside

 

[Joao]

Genuine question. Why is Bo Allen rated so highly? You see all the Vic kids getting crazy numbers in VFL where Allens numbers are quite low??

He's from WA.

This happens every year on here and I assume on the Eagles board as well.

 

[pK75]

He's from WA.

This happens every year on here and I assume on the Eagles board as well.

Agree, if he was from Victoria no one here would mention him as he isn’t a list need at all, would likely toil away at peel behind Erasmus, Brodie and Worner (as HBF). His finals series was impressive and not many 18yos have a WAFL premiership already but we need a small forward like Berry, an outside mid with elite skills like Lindsay or a skilled HBF like Travaglia more than we need a brute inside mid like Allan.
FWIW Urquhart goes alright in that same role and we can probably pick up him or Gerreyn with the saints pick.

 

[Purple Jesus]

3 ex dockers winning their new clubs BnF and we gave all of them away for **** all collectively. Cool cool. Very cool.

 

[Joao]

Wisdom from GPT

 

[Dockeroo]

 

[MakeshiftMartyr]

Rioli's worth slipping from pick 6 to pick 13 would do wonders for our bargaining position. Surely if Rioli goes for pick 13, both 10 and 18 is well overs for Bolton.

 

[eastfreo75]

As much as I’d love Bolton I’m guessing I’m in the minority to me there’s a limit.
Even if he doesn’t come I think this current team makes finals and probably top 4 without him next year anyway.

Just organic growth from within the youth is plenty
Young with another preseason for the midfield ( new level )
Treacy holds at his new level
Draper confidence and more muscle as he grows
Chapman to be fit and comfortable with his body
Amiss the same another season and more strength
The big one for me will be NOD
He trained inside mid preseason
If his clots and leg are gone for good I think he can follow young’s projectory into an inside bull allowing young more opportunity forward of centre when resting.
To the point I think if whan and Robinson keep coming as prospects next trade season erasamus and Johnson maybe up for trade.

No one preseason picked treacy to improve
To be fair Draper was a who ?

Bolton would be great but he is not the be all of end all
So there has to be a point to walk away

Personally the 2 west Aussie boys I like are Allan urquart
Tall strong with mongrel
Bo Allen’s last 6 weeks is impressive
From a half back playing against men not kids
Huge upside

I get things wrong all the time and did say Treacy would take the next step.

While I would love Bolton, but the nature growth potential is huge with our list.

 

[Azz 27]

Rioli's worth slipping from pick 6 to pick 13 would do wonders for our bargaining position. Surely if Rioli goes for pick 13, both 10 and 18 is well overs for Bolton.

He will be pick 6 and more.

Disgusting by gc

 

[Wee Jessies]

I thought he may have gone with worse trade since the Dockers traded for Jackson. That was a nice change.

 

[Wee Jessies]

He will be pick 6 and more.

Disgusting by gc

Agreed the two trades should be:

If we are giving 6 for Rioli what are we getting back, an F2?
If we are giving 13 for Noble and an F1 what else are we getting?

Not so what else do we need to give ffs.