List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[pupstar]

Yeah, it's ****ing hilarious reading about the 67 yr old lock down back pocket with shit skills who is always injured for our f1 with nothing back.

There is no length they won't go to shit can Houston, and the club because they want to finish bottom 2 again for the next shiny new toy.



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Would you give up this years pick 2 for him straight swap.

 

[Boner Spirit]

Inside info. George is no guarantee to stay.

I'm no guarantee to win lotto either
..

 

[chubbspeterson]

Top 5 Draft Pick FC is what we've become on here. Forgetting that we shouldn't need seven of the campaigners to be competitive

I think both sides have valid points. Adding Houston may or may not make us more competitive or "move the needle".
I don't think we're going to magically become a 10 win team just by bringing in Darling, Parker and potentially Houston because it takes time to build chemistry when new pieces are added. The experience and leadership should help theoretically, but I think most of our improvement will come from the group we have taking a step further.
There's also something a little bit psychological with the group in terms of the "woe is me" vibe. Do those senior players help that or does the group just need to win a few games in a row to get that confidence?
I don't know what the answer is but I think Parker will bring a fight/toughness the group needs.

I think its fair to query trading a F1 (likely top 4 pick) for Houston on it's own with nothing back and spending that for the role he plays and whether it's the right time to add that level of player when the rest of the group likely isn't ready.
The Lions traded for Neale, Dunkley, Cameron and Daniher types when they were on the cusp or in finals.
I don't think we're at that point myself and that was also 1st round capital spent in other areas of the ground.
They got Ah Chee via trade cheaper and Wilmot, Coleman and Zorko through the draft for that role.

Houston is an All-Australian, an elite ball user off the half back and better defender than what we have, but whether it's the right call to add him at that price and whether that time is now is fair to debate I think.
We just don't know either way and it's probably unlikely we'll get the chance to find out in the end.

 

[archereleven]

Would you give up this years pick 2 for him straight swap.

No. The earlier we get players in, the better, especially kpp, and this draft has loads of them.

I have no problem giving up a top 5 pick for Houston next year. I reckon we can trade back from 2 and get a replacement f1 or another pick inside 10 anyway.

Just get talent through the doors to start winning ffs.



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[Junk yard]

Same info that had LMac forcibly retiring lol?

And phillips having three years on the table from Geelong. Makes shit up when he's drunk, it's good for a laugh but pretending to know shit like this just to cause a stir is pretty average.

 

[Tas]

Are you the same person I was drinking with today?

I learned a lot about george today.. and what I walked away with was… George knows he’s a gun

Does he know how to get on the park?

 

[Devington]

Have we traded George and 2 for Houston (on a 13 year deal) yet?

 

[Jimmac31]

I think both sides have valid points. Adding Houston may or may not make us more competitive or "move the needle".
I don't think we're going to magically become a 10 win team just by bringing in Darling, Parker and potentially Houston because it takes time to build chemistry when new pieces are added. The experience and leadership should help theoretically, but I think most of our improvement will come from the group we have taking a step further.
There's also something a little bit psychological with the group in terms of the "woe is me" vibe. Do those senior players help that or does the group just need to win a few games in a row to get that confidence?
I don't know what the answer is but I think Parker will bring

I think its fair to query trading a F1 (likely top 4 pick) for Houston on it's own with nothing back and spending that for the role he plays and whether it's the right time to add that level of player when the rest of the group likely isn't ready.
The Lions traded for Neale, Dunkley, Cameron and Daniher types when they were on the cusp or in finals.
I don't think we're at that point myself and that was also 1st round capital spent in other areas of the ground.
They got Ah Chee via trade cheaper and Wilmot, Coleman and Zorko through the draft for that role.

Houston is an All-Australian, an elite ball user off the half back and better defender than what we have, but whether it's the right call to add him at that price and whether that time is now is fair to debate I think.
We just don't know either way and it's probably unlikely we'll get the chance to find out in the end.

A good discussion is when we need to add quality experiences players to mix with our gun kids. Dunkley and Daniher came whilst they were finals teams. 2014 - 15th, 2015 - 17th, 2016 - 17th, 2017- 18th (then traded for Cameron), 2018 - 15th (then traded for Neale). 2019 - 2nd.

Parker, Darling and Houston, plus two first round picks in this year's draft makes the team better. We can get high end KPP talent. Darling is an improvement on Pink and allows Zurhaar, Curtis and Ford to become more dangerous. Parker is just a gun player and provides great leadership. Houston is all Australian talent, and allows either Fish and/or Kerch to move up the field without negatively impacting our back 6.

If we wait 2 more years. We'll be battling the $$$ offered by Tasmania for experienced players, whilst they also get all the top end draft talent. Lose-lose situation there.

I don't see us paying finals next year, but potentiality the year after. However, Collingwood went from 17th to Top 4 to premiership over two years. Brisbane (the more comparable rebuild) went from bottom 4 for five years to Top 2 and haven't left finals since.

I would trade as low as P9 this year, I would trade our F1 next year and back us in to improve. And make it now lowered than pick 6.

 

[Shinboner1]

Twitter reporting that we were in talks with Carlton for their 12 and 14 plus owies for pick 2...

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

Twitter reporting that we were in talks with Carlton for their 12 and 14 plus owies for pick 2...

That came from a satire Tom Browne account. We have Clarko and Viney at the club not Warwick Capper.

 

[Luke72]

Is Owies contracted? I get the feeling they might cut him

 

[Passmore]

Twitter reporting that we were in talks with Carlton for their 12 and 14 plus owies for pick 2...

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[Luke72]

How does that unlock the Houston trade? Port would ask for both picks

 

[Makeshift Park]

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

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This is a satire account, this tweet is up there with the fear mongering provided by gov and media during COVID.

 

[Themanbun]

You know why most people with 'ITK' info 'plague' the joint with negative info?

Because contrary to what a lot of people on this board think, our club has made some monumental **** ups, including recently, we are uncompetitive and have been for almost 7 years, and that grinds players and staff down. Although arguably the players have contributed a lot to it, it's a chicken and egg scenario as they've had no one to learn off.

I can't vouch for what those who purport to get inside info at North nor verify what they say, but the broader AFL perception, including from clubs who have had recent success, has been overwhelmingly negative on what we've been doing for ~5 years.

The longer this goes on the worse it gets. The only way to prevent players leaving or unhappiness at the club festering is to start winning. We started to play much better footy in the back half of 2024 and then took some humongous leaps backwards in the last two games.

Bringing in Parker and Houston will shift the needle. At the very least they will provide great leadership.

 

[Passmore]

This is a satire account, this tweet is up there with the fear mongering provided by gov and media during COVID.

I know

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[Passmore]

You know why most people with 'ITK' info 'plague' the joint with negative info?

Because contrary to what a lot of people on this board think, our club has made some monumental **** ups, including recently, we are uncompetitive and have been for almost 7 years, and that grinds players and staff down. Although arguably the players have contributed a lot to it, it's a chicken and egg scenario as they've had no one to learn off.

I can't vouch for what those who purport to get inside info at North nor verify what they say, but the broader AFL perception, including from clubs who have had recent success, has been overwhelmingly negative on what we've been doing for ~5 years.

The longer this goes on the worse it gets. The only way to prevent players leaving or unhappiness at the club festering is to start winning. We started to play much better footy in the back half of 2024 and then took some humongous leaps backwards in the last two games.

Bringing in Parker and Houston will shift the needle. At the very least they will provide great leadership.

Dressing it up as ITK is the issue. If you want to hate it fine, own it as an opinion. Don't pretend.

You wouldn't get a player of the on and off field quality of Luke Parker within a mike of the joint if things were currently as ****ed up or Clarkson is off the rails a some would like to make out.

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[New_Roo]

Is Owies contracted? I get the feeling they might cut him

Yrs both he and Kennedy are contracted


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[pupstar]

Dressing it up as ITK is the issue. If you want to hate it fine, own it as an opinion. Don't pretend.

You wouldn't get a player of the on and off field quality of Luke Parker within a mike of the joint if things were currently as ****ed up or Clarkson is off the rails a some would like to make out.

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I can't understand how people don't see this. We haven't lost anyone that we were desperate to keep for a long time its nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be at the club Great post Passmore.

 

[Merlin007]

Yrs both he and Kennedy are contracted


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Owies is not contracted, that's part of the mystery as to why Carlton would let a 30+ forward go

 

[Tas]

You know why most people with 'ITK' info 'plague' the joint with negative info?

Because contrary to what a lot of people on this board think, our club has made some monumental **** ups, including recently, we are uncompetitive and have been for almost 7 years, and that grinds players and staff down. Although arguably the players have contributed a lot to it, it's a chicken and egg scenario as they've had no one to learn off.

I can't vouch for what those who purport to get inside info at North nor verify what they say, but the broader AFL perception, including from clubs who have had recent success, has been overwhelmingly negative on what we've been doing for ~5 years.

The longer this goes on the worse it gets. The only way to prevent players leaving or unhappiness at the club festering is to start winning. We started to play much better footy in the back half of 2024 and then took some humongous leaps backwards in the last two games.

Bringing in Parker and Houston will shift the needle. At the very least they will provide great leadership.

The people with the power to change it are people at the club. Recruiters, Development staff, Coaching staff and the players.

There is a lot we could have done to be more competitive in the present without sacrificing the future, for whatever reason we haven't been making those decisions.

 

[giantroo]

AFL Draft 2024: Latest news as trade period prepares to shape November’s national draft​

There is a reason why so many clubs are putting their 2025 first-round picks on the table during this trade period. Plus, the draft bolters and the hot prospect you would “pay to go and watch.”

Chris Cavanagh

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October 11, 2024 - 6:00AM
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The national draft combine is over and the countdown is on to the national draft on November 20.

There is still plenty to play out in the trade period, but here’s the latest on the race for the No. 1 pick, pick swaps and some of the hottest prospects in this year’s draft pool.

WHY 2025 PICKS ARE ON THE TRADE TABLE

Clubs are desperate to load up on what has been described as an “outstanding” national draft this year, with many openly placing their first-round picks for 2025 on the trade table this week.
The Western Bulldogs, Carlton, Melbourne and North Melbourne are among a group of clubs who are fishing for extra selections this year and are willing to give up their first pick next year to secure them.
“Our future pick’s definitely going to be on the table throughout this trade period, whether it be for a player or to improve our draft hand for this year,” North Melbourne list boss Brady Rawlings said earlier this week.
While the Kangaroos, Demons and Blues all currently hold first-round picks to use this November — and simply want more — the Bulldogs’ first selection sits at 35 after they traded their 2024 first-round pick to Gold Coast to secure midfielder Ryley Sanders in last year’s draft.

Gold Coast Suns Academy member Zeke Uwland is a top draft prospect for 2025. Picture: Getty Images
While this year’s draft does have some depth, pick 35 could become closer to pick 40 after early father-son and Academy bids are matched.
Most clubs are far less excited about the 2025 draft, which is stacked with talent linked to the northern academies.
“People are nervous about next year,” one recruiter said recently.
“There’s not a lot of people who like next year’s draft — even if you got pick 15. Pick 15 to pick 25 in this draft is much better.”
Gold Coast Suns Academy members Beau Addinsall and Zeke Uwland were the two best players for Team Sloane in the under-17 Futures game on AFL Grand Final Day last month, while Brisbane Lions Academy member Daniel Annable was among the best few players for Team Heppell and is highly-rated.
Sydney Swans Academy member Lachlan Carmichael is another leading prospect for next year, while the Swans will also have access to Noah Chamberlain.

HOT DRAFT BOLTER CONTINUES TO CLIMB
The biggest bolter in this year’s draft is in hot demand and is fast shaping as a potential top-10 pick.
Gippsland Power utility Alixzander Tauru came in at No. 12 on our list of the top 60 draft prospects for November, which was released this week.
However, he could climb even higher on draft night.
Tauru reportedly met with every AFL club except for Hawthorn at last weekend’s national draft combine.
An athletically-gifted 193cm player, Tauru has featured – and impacted – in all areas of the ground this year and has no shortage of X-Factor despite still being relatively raw.
“I can’t remember a better contested mark either in front or behind the footy that I’ve seen for his size,” Gippsland Power talent manager Scott McDougal said.
“His commitment to the ball in the air and his aggression when the ball hits the ground is a really, really good one-wood to have.
“I’m really keen to see the 22-year-old, 23-year-old Alix Tauru. I just can’t wait to see that footballer. You pay to go and watch blokes like him play footy.”
Tauru spent significant time across halfback this year, but also had stints forward and through the midfield with the Power in the Coates Talent League.


WILL ANYONE EXECUTE A ‘SLIDE’?

North Melbourne and West Coast and open to making a “slight slide” down the order in this year’s draft.

But finding a buyer who is willing to pay handsomely to move up to pick 2 or 3 might not be easy.

The group of top 10 players in this year’s draft pool are very even and there is still no standout No. 1 pick for Richmond.

Rival clubs believe Sam Lalor is the most likely target for the Tigers, but Finn O’Sullivan, Jagga Smith and Harvey Langford also sit in the mix.

An inside-midfielder who can also go forward and kick goals, Lalor is an X-Factor player has tried to base his game off Collingwood’s Jordan De Goey this year.

O’Sullivan, Smith and Langford are all midfielders with different attributes, while Josh Smillie, Sid Draper and Murphy Reid are other top prospects in a midfield-heavy group of top-10 prospects.

The Brisbane Lions will also secure father-son Levi Ashcroft inside the top-10, with Richmond not ruling out placing a bid on gun onballer from the Sandringham Dragons.

“Our philosophy has always been we’ll assess where they sit in the pool and bid accordingly,” Tigers list boss Blair Hartley said this week.

Even if picks do not change hands during the trade period, clubs can still trade selections up to and during this year’s national draft, which will be held over two nights on November 20 and 21.


Sam Lalor has soared into favouritism to be the No. 1 pick in November. Picture: AFL Photos

EXTRA WORK PAYS OFF FOR BIG MAN

Mobile Victorian key forward Gabriel Stumpf turned heads at the national draft combine last weekend with his blistering time in the 20m sprint test.

But it perhaps shouldn’t have come as a surprise that the 196cm big man posted the fifth-best 20m sprint time in the combine’s history.

Stumpf ran a time of 2.815 seconds last Sunday, but has been working with a personal fitness and nutrition coach for the past 12 months, with whom he has done a significant amount of speed work.

Running is key for the Northern Knights product, who works hard pushing up the ground from half-forward and models his game on Geelong’s Jeremy Cameron.

“Stumpy’s incredibly athletic,” Knights talent manager Nat Grindal said.

“He’s had a really good year. I think his ceiling is still so high as well. He’s got so much growth and improvement in him. You hope that someone’s willing to take a chance on a kid that’s got a lot of upside.”

Stumpf averaged 2.8 goals a game across four matches for the Knights this year.


DRAFT DISASTER BREWING FOR BOMBERS

Essendon has conceded it is looking “unlikely” that it will be able to move up the draft order in a bid to get ahead of any bid for Next Generation Academy member Isaac Kako.

The Bombers currently hold pick 9, but Kako is attracting significant interest from rival clubs as the best small forward in the draft.

“We explored that (moving up the draft order),” Essendon list boss Matt Rosa said on Trade Radio on Thursday.

“But I think as time goes on, we’ve realised that it’s going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft (because) everyone is valuing those high picks.”

Kako averaged 18.7 disposals, 7.7 score involvements and 1.7 goals across 12 games for the Calder Cannons in the Coates Talent League this season, as well as shining for Vic Metro during the under-18 national championships.

He has been part of the Essendon NGA program since age 12 and grew up a Bombers fan who idolised Leroy Jetta.

“It would be nice to end up anywhere. AFL football is AFL football,” Kako told this column at the national draft combine last weekend.

“But I’ve had a soft spot for them (the Bombers) my whole life so it would be special (to go there).”

Kako had ankle surgery in August but is back running and expects to be ready to attack an AFL pre-season in late November.

“Everything’s on track and hopefully I’ll be fully fit for pre-season,” he said.


ARE DOCKERS EYEING ALLAN?

Western Australia’s top prospect in this year’s draft – Bo Allan – further enhanced his standing at the national draft combine last weekend and shapes as a potential target for Fremantle.

The Dockers are haggling with Richmond over a trade for Shai Bolton, not wanting to give up picks 10 and 11 for the talented Tiger.

That could be because of their interest in Allan, who finished top-10 in the agility test (7.940), running vertical jump (92cm) and standing vertical jump (72cm) at last weekend’s combine in Melbourne.

Allan spent the year right under the noses of the Dockers, playing 11 senior games for Peel Thunder in the WAFL.

Most of those were spent across halfback, but the 191cm athlete also impressed as a midfielder during the under-18 national championships where he captained his state.

Allan spoke to 16 clubs at the draft combine and is happy to go anywhere to live our his dream.

“As an 18-year-old, I’ve spent a big chunk of my life training for this,” Allan told CODE Sports.

“I love it. To get a chance at the highest level, I’d be over the moon.”

 

[Tas]

I can't understand how people don't see this. We haven't lost anyone that we were desperate to keep for a long time its nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be at the club Great post Passmore.

JHF? :stern look

 

[Themanbun]

Dressing it up as ITK is the issue. If you want to hate it fine, own it as an opinion. Don't pretend.

You wouldn't get a player of the on and off field quality of Luke Parker within a mike of the joint if things were currently as ****ed up or Clarkson is off the rails a some would like to make out.

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My entire point is that anyone who posts something slightly critical of the club as 'inside' knowledge gets shouted down for making shit up, when such thing shouldn't really be a surprise given how poorly we've been performing.

Like why are we so unable to believe that some players might be getting jaded? I'd be more concerned if they were all loving this situation, Lol.