List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Flawed Genius]

Daniel is small. He is a nice neat kick but he ain’t a penetrating kick. He struggles one on one. I wouldn’t call him the fastest small dude around. He was in and out of the Dogs line up. Not the sort of player I’d be chasing. :stern look

Certainly not for four years.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Daniel is small. He is a nice neat kick but he ain’t a penetrating kick. He struggles one on one. I wouldn’t call him the fastest small dude around. He was in and out of the Dogs line up. Not the sort of player I’d be chasing. :stern look

It has ‘cluster****’ written all over it.

A bloke standing 5’6 who can’t defend in a side that leaks like a sieve in transition.

Phwoar.

 

[JGreezy]

A 4 year deal would contract Daniel through his age 31 season. It's not like he's already 32 years old.

It really depends what he's paid in the last two years.

 

[scottywiper]

He does indeed.

My man! Lol

 

[Roosurgence]

I guess you gotta show you won't be a pushover at least publicly in your first time in the role.
Andrew Mackey was talking pretty similar stuff in his first year.

The problem is that everyone knows that it’s all for show or that you are just a campaigner.

 

[bennymate]

A baller that can’t defend one on one and is the worst aerial defender in the league?

Big upgrade on Zac Fisher and he brings experience, it also frees up Sheez and Colby forward of the ball. I can see why we're going for him, Houston won't happen.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Remember the elite talents you picked up at 7 + 8 in the 2017 draft?

Imagine if you traded up for Brayshaw or LDU...



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Oh dear, yes they would have been saying the same thing back in 2017, why trade up, when we can get TWO ELITE PLAYERS IN THIS DRAFT, the only problem with that, is you get two good players and hope they both work out, now if they had of traded up for REAL ELITE players, they could of had Brayshaw or LDU, I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but if St Kilda think they can get two elite midfielders at picks 7 and 8 then by all means try your luck, you may get one but highly doubtful you get two and it may not be the player you want.

So many times, teams with more than one first rounder try and play it safe instead of going all out for the real elite talent in a draft, if you want that star mid you've got the picks to make it happen, if you want two good players and hope one or both can get there then if years down the track they don't work out don't whinge about them if they don't make it because you had the chance again to grab that star midfielder that you guys crave for and went the same way!

 

[deano28]

We were targeting Fisher well before the compensation package was announced

And if we didn’t get the package we would’ve paid less

 

[hilly]

I too have an interest in Margort Gobbie

I expect a deal to get done

Send her a fax Grandpa.

 

[archereleven]

If we pick up Daniel, he will be the HB distributor, and Fish should move into a small fwd role.

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[ferball]

A mechanism to get a useable pick, remember we got fisher and a pick in the 20s for a pick in the 20s we had to trade

We got Fisher and pick 17 (that turned into pick 22) for a pick that ended up as pick 29. So yeah, we got a seven pick upgrade that became Wil Dawson from taking Fisher on and he hasn't been that bad either. Just not great.

 

[Devington]

I want to say Daniel for 4 years is insanity BUT we literally only have a half dozen players with a contract for 2028. We also have a list still filled with subpar or questionable talent, which means a lot more list spots will open up over time. If Daniel helps improve us enough in the short term that we can become attractive enough to become a destination for even better players, then I'd probably cop having him spend the latter half of his contract in the VFL.

Food for thought.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I want to say Daniel for 4 years is insanity BUT we literally only have a half dozen players with a contract for 2028. We also have a list still filled with subpar or questionable talent, which means a lot more list spots will open up over time. If Daniel helps improve us enough in the short term that we can become attractive enough to become a destination for even better players, then I'd probably cop having him spend the latter half of his contract in the VFL.

Food for thought.

This was kinda my point

 

[hilly]

We got Fisher and pick 17 (that turned into pick 22) for a pick that ended up as pick 29. So yeah, we got a seven pick upgrade that became Wil Dawson from taking Fisher on and he hasn't been that bad either. Just not great.

It was Fisher and 17 for 21 and 25.

 

[Tas]

Clearly you watched a different interview to what I watched. He was perfectly okay as far as I was concerned. Did you watch any other of the recruiters?

I watched a few others, they seemed okay to me. I didn't watch them all. I dislike speaking to an audience so I feel his pain. We don't have to put him in front of the camera though, Shiels is also working with that group, he speaks well, we can get him to do the interviews. We aren't doing Rawlings any favours if he is uncomfortable in front of the camera. There isn't really a requirement to do the speaking for a list management role so I don't know why we keep putting him through it. Anyway, it is just my opinion.

From what I saw, they were all pretty much on a par. None of them are paid to speak articulately and be the guest speaker at an Awards night or something. Rather they are paid to get the best possible recruiting outcomes for their clubs. (Whether or not they achieve that is a very different discussion.)

Many aspects of the job are hard to judge without the benefit of hindsight, it isn't an easy job and for the most part I think he has done okay given where the club is at, a few trades I am not so hot with but it is what it is.

 

[DuckYeah]

Daniel is fringe in a side that only just made the 8. I’d be hoping we are pushing into the 8 within two years at which time you’d bloody hope we’ve upgraded 3 of our half backs who suck (McDonald, fisher and potentially Daniel)…if that’s the case then we are stuck with Daniel for another two years on ridiculous money.

Is the idea to have him as an onfield offensive play leader to teach? Because Luke McDonald aint it and Aiden Corr is far too aggressive to teach, campaigner just yells at everyone. We are looking for leadership, its obvious. We cant keep having 2 win seasons. Its a ****ing joke.

 

[Ligma]

But Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

tackled Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

32

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

One of these players is in our team for no other reason than defensive intensity, the other is the flakey, can’t defend tiny-person Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

…

 

[giantroo]

 

[Sphynx]

Daniel is small. He is a nice neat kick but he ain’t a penetrating kick. He struggles one on one. I wouldn’t call him the fastest small dude around. He was in and out of the Dogs line up. Not the sort of player I’d be chasing. :stern look

Coaches around the league and most of the data analysts don’t rate him and haven’t since his last AA year.

He’s absolutely a great kick.

But he doesn’t move the ball forward in any meaningful way.

He doesn’t break lines with the ball.

Majority of his possessions are chip kicks to stationary targets or he’s a stationary target himself.

Hoyne and CD have been critical of him for a long time.

It’s why the Dogs felt they needed to replace him.

I’d almost prefer to see him play further forward if we did recruit him.

It has to be for minimum chips though, he doesn’t move the needle in any way whatsoever. He’s basically Fisher 2.0

 

[New_Roo]

playing time, playing position

He has increased chance of playing for dogs next year with macrae and Williams gone


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[Sphynx]

I want to say Daniel for 4 years is insanity BUT we literally only have a half dozen players with a contract for 2028. We also have a list still filled with subpar or questionable talent, which means a lot more list spots will open up over time. If Daniel helps improve us enough in the short term that we can become attractive enough to become a destination for even better players, then I'd probably cop having him spend the latter half of his contract in the VFL.

Food for thought.

Similar posts were said regarding Dylan Stephens last year.

 

[New_Roo]

Makes sense to just hang there on the outer in case it doesn’t work with the others.
It’s not like we’re after any other big names…..make our moves so the capital is there if we need to pull the trigger….if not then hit the draft

It's not like it's either or..... can't hit the draft for 6 weeks so you keep working on the trade and if it falls through it's a shame we gave it a go then you hit the draft


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[blackshadow]

Did lol at the headline as it brought back some fond memories.

"The Eagle has Landed" used to be code for me and a few mates back in my 20s for getting lucky...

 

[LeFtBehinD]

He’s absolutely a great kick.

But he doesn’t move the ball forward in any meaningful way.

He doesn’t break lines with the ball.

Majority of his possessions are chip kicks to stationary targets or he’s a stationary target himself.

I would argue 25% of our list cannot be relied on to hit a stationary target. And perhaps 50% of our list cannot hit a target under pressure.

Sheezel was down back because we have no one. Fisher worked to some extent but he can still cause direct goal turnovers. If we’re not giving up much I can see how this improves us instantly.