Training 2023 Pre-season thread

[BangyBangy]

I won't say Cam can't be as good or better than Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson

Age

48

Ht

180cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

8.6

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

, I'd be very happy if he gets just close tbh, but I doubt Cam will ever have the evasiveness of Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson

Age

48

Ht

180cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

8.6

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

. That was top tier.

It's one of the attributes that makes Lachie a superstar. A bit of a cross between Chris Johnson

Chris Johnson

Age

48

Ht

180cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

8.6

3star

HB

5.1

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

& Diesel Williams.

 

[luthor]

Wilmot is a player.

Plays Round One thank you.

If it's at the expense of Rich or even Rayner, then so be it.

 

[Dalions]

Wilmot is a player.

Plays Round One thank you.

If it's at the expense of Rich or even Rayner, then so be it.

Would prefer him in the backline ahead of McKenna at the moment.

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

My Rnd 1 team if fit
B: Rayner/ Andrews / Starcevich
HB: Coleman / Payne/ Zorko
F: Tunstill / Neale / Berry
HF: McCarthy / Daniher / Bailey
F: Cameron / Hipwood / Gunston
Fol: Fort / Dunkley / Ashcroft
Int: Robertson / Gardiner / Prior / Madden / Wilmott

Overrated. No my bad, Mcluggage in for wilmott.

 

[rye]

B: Rayner Andrews Starcevich
HB: Coleman Payne McKenna
C: Prior Dunkley Berry
R: McInerney Neale McCluggage
HF: Bailey Daniher Hipwood
F: Cameron Gunston McCarthy
Int: Rich Ashcroft Zorko Wilmot

pick sub based on who we are playing

strong pressure from robertson and tunstill for selection based on preseason form

youd hope oscar has been in cruise mode during the scratch matches as well - fort can play and should get a chance if form slips

 

[dlanod]

Would prefer him in the backline ahead of McKenna at the moment.

I was very much on the McKenna bandwagon but he looked very rusty out there, both disposal and pace. I'd have Wilmot ahead at this stage, though I suspect we might see both with one pushing up to the wing (like Wilmot on Thursday).

 

[Dalions]

I was very much on the McKenna bandwagon but he looked very rusty out there, both disposal and pace. I'd have Wilmot ahead at this stage, though I suspect we might see both with one pushing up to the wing (like Wilmot on Thursday).

Agree totally.
McKenna looked off the pace of the game a bit and seemed to not have much pace which may just take a bit of time to get up to speed with all of the running involved with an AFL team.
The fact that we have been playing Wilmot on a wing lately makes me think with McKenna playing largely back makes me think they are trying to find a spot for both.
If Berry is unable to get up for round 1 it may make that a little easier.

 

[lionshine]

Yeah with the debate between McKenna and Wilmot I suspect the coaches have both in the 22.

According to a poster in the VFL thread who watched the reserves last night, Answerth dominated. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is named for Round 1 either. Coaches rate what he brings highly and I suspect in their eyes he is still ahead of guys like Dev, Prior and Tunstill.

I know Answerth isn’t a huge favourite on here and I myself at times rate others ahead e.g. Dev, however, it is probably easy to forget he has had a tough run with injury in his time here and last year was his first full season back after injury troubles. I do like the strengths he brings and in 2019 he was showing potential to be as valuable as guys like Starcevich. His best may still be to come. You cannot fault his effort and hardness at the contest. He also works very hard defensively.

I’d actually love to see Dev and Answerth in the seniors together playing specialist defensive roles off the wings and flanks allowing guys like Zorko, McCarthy, McCluggage, Bailey, Coleman, Rich and Wilmot to get forward of the ball and do damage offensively. Only issue is there aren’t enough spots for everyone. I think the coaches are still trying to find the right balance and mix of players but based off pre season form we look a lot closer to getting that mix right compared to previous years which is exciting!

 

[martinson]

Yeah with the debate between McKenna and Wilmot I suspect the coaches have both in the 22.

According to a poster in the VFL thread who watched the reserves last night, Answerth dominated. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is named for Round 1 either. Coaches rate what he brings highly and I suspect in their eyes he is still ahead of guys like Dev, Prior and Tunstill.

I know Answerth isn’t a huge favourite on here and I myself at times rate others ahead e.g. Dev, however, it is probably easy to forget he has had a tough run with injury in his time here and last year was his first full season back after injury troubles. I do like the strengths he brings and in 2019 he was showing potential to be as valuable as guys like Starcevich. His best may still be to come. You cannot fault his effort and hardness at the contest. He also works very hard defensively.

I’d actually love to see Dev and Answerth in the seniors together playing specialist defensive roles off the wings and flanks allowing guys like Zorko, McCarthy, McCluggage, Bailey, Coleman, Rich and Wilmot to get forward of the ball and do damage offensively. Only issue is there aren’t enough spots for everyone. I think the coaches are still trying to find the right balance and mix of players but based off pre season form we look a lot closer to getting that mix right compared to previous years which is exciting!

I think the issue is there isn't a lot between Dev ,Prior, Tunstill and Answerth presently. Throw in Wilmot , McKenna and Ah Chee when he's right as well . Sometimes it will depend on the opposition. Any of them will do a reasonable job . It's a good position to be in if not a little frustrating if you rate or don't rate any over the others.

 

[Warwick]

The problem with playing both Dev and Answerth together (especially in those distributing positions such as wing /HBF) is the number of skied, hurried kicks that result. They also don’t offer a lot of pace.

Dev makes my 22 as a relief inside midfielder - offering a harder defensive edge to others, whereas I’d rather speed and/or better users (Coleman, Wilmot, McKenna, Rich, Ah Chee, Tunstill) to Answerth at this stage.

The whole point of having a squad of players with different strengths, however, is not just to cover injuries. We should be more flexible depending on the condition and opposition, a “horses for courses” if you will… Answerth should get a look against sides with multiple smaller-mid forward options like Collingwood, Sydney and Adelaide.

 

[Nunez]

I thought McKenna was a lot better this week compared to the last. With that in mind, he's still quite rusty.

would not be surprised to see him named round one, but equally wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't hold that spot for long if he doesn't perform.

 

[martinson]

I thought McKenna was a lot better this week compared to the last. With that in mind, he's still quite rusty.

would not be surprised to see him named round one, but equally wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't hold that spot for long if he doesn't perform.

I think he improved from one practice game to the other. Particularly his disposal .

He's actually a real unit and can run like crazy so as he improves I'm hopeful he'll become a weapon.

Has that rare line breaking capacity that is like gold if he can pull it off.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I thought McKenna was a lot better this week compared to the last. With that in mind, he's still quite rusty.

would not be surprised to see him named round one, but equally wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't hold that spot for long if he doesn't perform.

Admittedly I missed a few periods of the game, but I thought so too. I think he possibly was trying a little hard vs Sydney.

Probably good to note too, that the defensive aspect of defenders game is arguably more important than what they do with the footy. As observers, I think it's sometimes to quantify what expected of them.

 

[Berrygood]

I was very much on the McKenna bandwagon but he looked very rusty out there, both disposal and pace. I'd have Wilmot ahead at this stage, though I suspect we might see both with one pushing up to the wing (like Wilmot on Thursday).

I'm really not on the McKenna bandwagon. As much as everyone has talked about his speed, run, attacking ability, very little has been said about his defensive qualities. In a preseason where the focus has been our defense and our improved defensive need to go further, I'm not sure he is up to it yet. Happy to hear otherwise if others have a different opinion.

I also think McKenna is just trophy shopping. He got his prize in Ireland and now is just looking to balance his mantelshelf with an Afl gong. I don't see any real long-term loyalty from this bloke, a hit n run effort at best. For this reason I'd much rather see opportunity go to Wilmot. I'd rather us put time into our youth that has long-term potential than a short-term sugar rush.

McKenna may be a good or better than good player and may be handy thru the year but I'm just not sold on him yet. If he can prove himself this season then re-sign for longer than 1yr I might change my mind.

 

[Tom14]

I'm really not on the McKenna bandwagon. As much as everyone has talked about his speed, run, attacking ability, very little has been said about his defensive qualities. In a preseason where the focus has been our defense and our improved defensive need to go further, I'm not sure he is up to it yet. Happy to hear otherwise if others have a different opinion.

I also think McKenna is just trophy shopping. He got his prize in Ireland and now is just looking to balance his mantelshelf with an Afl gong. I don't see any real long-term loyalty from this bloke, a hit n run effort at best. For this reason I'd much rather see opportunity go to Wilmot. I'd rather us put time into our youth that has long-term potential than a short-term sugar rush.

McKenna may be a good or better than good player and may be handy thru the year but I'm just not sold on him yet. If he can prove himself this season then re-sign for longer than 1yr I might change my mind.

I agree, he doesn't have nearly the loyalty of our great leaders like Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley, Jack Gunston, Joe Daniher, Jarryd Lyons, etc

 

[briztoon]

The problem with playing both Dev and Answerth together (especially in those distributing positions such as wing /HBF) is the number of skied, hurried kicks that result. They also don’t offer a lot of pace.

Dev makes my 22 as a relief inside midfielder - offering a harder defensive edge to others, whereas I’d rather speed and/or better users (Coleman, Wilmot, McKenna, Rich, Ah Chee, Tunstill) to Answerth at this stage.

The whole point of having a squad of players with different strengths, however, is not just to cover injuries. We should be more flexible depending on the condition and opposition, a “horses for courses” if you will… Answerth should get a look against sides with multiple smaller-mid forward options like Collingwood, Sydney and Adelaide.

Eh…

 

[FeastOrFamine]

I think Answerth is best 22. His kicking may be a bit skew whiff, but he's got the mongrel about him that I think we need.

I thought he was unfairly maligned by many on here for some of his performances last year. To be able to come back and play every game after having OP is a massive achievement. As for who he would displace from the team, I honestly wouldn't have a clue. Everyone who played on Friday played pretty so there'd be some very unlucky players.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think along with 3 talls we have 3 locks as smaller defenders; Starcevich, Rich and Kiddy. Need a 4th but I'd like someone with flexibility so I'd select Wilmot and Rayner on the bench who can also play wing or forward. Ah Chee another option.

Lots of options

 

[Nathan Barley]

Eh…
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There are different ways to measure pace

 

[martinson]

I'd rather someone come to us because he wants to win a flag than go somewhere else because he thinks he can get a game there.

 

[Section 5]

I was very much on the McKenna bandwagon but he looked very rusty out there, both disposal and pace. I'd have Wilmot ahead at this stage, though I suspect we might see both with one pushing up to the wing (like Wilmot on Thursday).

That is the best i have seen so far this year form McKenna, which is about the minimum you would want from a half back.
The club usually play players they go after. So, it won't surprise me if he holds his spot in the early rounds.
He is improving slowly after 2 years away from AFL so that is something.

We have suitable replacements. Whoever the club chooses is fine with me at this early stage.

 

[jjami15]

There are different ways to measure pace

It was noticeable on the other evening’s game that Dev has toe when he needs to use it.

 

[Brett C]

There are different ways to measure pace

Perhaps the state draft combine results where his time would have put him 1st in agility and 3rd for the 20m sprint at the AFL combine measure his pace.

That along with his top speed is a pretty accurate measurement.

 

[Nathan Barley]

It was noticeable on the other evening’s game that Dev has toe when he needs to use it.

Yeah I was impressed by the way he moved on Thursday