List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Hatchy1992]

So many trade experts in here, makes me long for the good old days of trade eon with Buckenara and Rendell.

We gave up nothing for points for Pickett Jnr. What's not got to like for that?

 

[My Left Foote]

We gave up nothing for points for Pickett Jnr. What's not got to like for that?

I think you’re missing my sarcasm, I like the trade.

 

[Hatchy1992]

I think you’re missing my sarcasm, I like the trade.

Oh im not. I like the trade too.

 

[DocSholl]

Or if we opened up another list spot or two we could have maybe live traded 43 to Essendon with our F3 for 22.

Why does every long-winded post about how we can't trade always contain an equally unrealistic hypothetical trade proposal

 

[The Nostradamus]

Why does every long-winded post about how we can't trade always contain an equally unrealistic hypothetical trade proposal

There’s nothing unrealistic about opening up list/draft spots

Lions and crows have done the exact thing with contracted players to the rookie list last week

 

[guapo]

We had more picks than we needed for the four selections we are going to take. No doubt they tried to trade up, but when that didn’t eventuate they shuffled out a pick for something next year. Not much to see here….

 

[DocSholl]

There’s nothing unrealistic about opening up list/draft spots

There needs to be a purpose to do so though. We already have three good picks in this draft, there's no real logic to eating up rookie spots just so we can take a speculative pick in a shallow draft. The fact that we've traded it for not much next year also tells you other clubs aren't clamouring for pick 43 either.

 

[The Nostradamus]

There needs to be a purpose to do so though. We already have three good picks in this draft, there's no real logic to eating up rookie spots just so we can take a speculative pick in a shallow draft. The fact that we've traded it for not much next year also tells you other clubs aren't clamouring for pick 43 either.

Eating up a rookie spot lol

A rookie spot is essentially pick 70-100

So we are forgoing a pick 43 so we don’t eat up a later rookie pick?

 

[perplexed]

Why does every long-winded post about how we can't trade always contain an equally unrealistic hypothetical trade proposal

If a bid on Davey comes before 22, Essendon will offload it. If they can't get an F2 and a late pick, they would take our F3 and 40, maybe chuck in the extra F3 we get from Brisbane too if we need to. But that isn't really the point. We can't do this or anything much else because we have needlessly reduced our options by not maximising the value of the extra rookie list spots we got. There are reasons why other teams rarely fill their primary lists. We don't seem to understand them.

 

[perplexed]

There needs to be a purpose to do so though. We already have three good picks in this draft, there's no real logic to eating up rookie spots just so we can take a speculative pick in a shallow draft. The fact that we've traded it for not much next year also tells you other clubs aren't clamouring for pick 43 either.

You don't have to use the pick if nobody you rate is available. But you get the opportunity to if they are. Or you can live trade the extra picks at the draft when they are more valuable than an F4. As it is now, if a player we rate higher than Cooper is available at 40 we have lost out.

 

[giantroo]

You don't have to use the pick if nobody you rate is available. But you get the opportunity to if they are. Or you can live trade the extra picks at the draft when they are more valuable than an F4. As it is now, if a player we rate higher than Cooper is available at 40 we have lost out.

There is no trade of extra picks on draft night. Your picks are finalised beforehand so those extra picks are deactivated. Today was the final day to make trades for picks before draft day. On the day, we will have picks 2,3,23 and 40 only. Once 40 is traded out, pick 70 will activate or whichever pick is traded in.

 

[perplexed]

There is no trade of extra picks on draft night. Your picks are finalised beforehand so those extra picks are deactivated. Today was the final day to make trades for picks before draft day. On the day, we will have picks 2,3,23 and 40 only. Once 40 is traded out, pick 70 will activate or whichever pick is traded in.

We were talking about if a player or two were delisted and later rookied so we could take in extra picks and either trade them or use them on a player if one slid.

 

[perplexed]

We had more picks than we needed for the four selections we are going to take. No doubt they tried to trade up, but when that didn’t eventuate they shuffled out a pick for something next year. Not much to see here….

That is looking at it backwards in my opinion. We have 8 list vacancies at the moment. 2-4 on the primary list and 4-6 on the rookie list. If we move two players back to the rookie list it becomes 4-6 on the primary list and 2-4 on the rookie list. By not doing this we have locked ourselves into taking 4 at the draft (unless nobody bids on Cooper and we can rookie him). We have lost any list flexibility, negotiating power and some minor picks in the process and gained nothing. We only got an F4 for our 43 today because we had needlessly put ourselves in a position where we had to trade or lose the pick. Small loss, it doesn't really matter, but also totally unnecessary.

 

[justroyal]

Can someone explain (simply) what will be happening with Brisbane? I’m struggling to follow

 

[perplexed]

Can someone explain (simply) what will be happening with Brisbane? I’m struggling to follow

Pick 40 for one of their F3's and pick 73.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Can someone explain (simply) what will be happening with Brisbane? I’m struggling to follow

Keep up please.

It's not difficult.......

 

[DocSholl]

Eating up a rookie spot lol

A rookie spot is essentially pick 70-100

So we are forgoing a pick 43 so we don’t eat up a later rookie pick?

A rookie also doesn't automatically get a two year deal on the main list. Plus it seems we are more likely to use rookie spots on mature players than more draftees.

 

[justroyal]

Pick 40 for one of their F3's and pick 73.

But isn’t 40 still a good-ish pick?

Ugh - well benefit to all this is, whatever Brady is doing will be getting overseen by clarkson and co.

 

[Devington]

But isn’t 40 still a good-ish pick?

Ugh - well benefit to all this is, whatever Brady is doing will be getting overseen by clarkson and co.

We're only taking 4 players. 2,3,23 and Cooper Harvey. 40 + 43 are surplus to what we need to use as we aren't expecting an early bid on Cooper.

 

[Roopassion]

Gotta also remember a lot of clubs will need points next year, f/s and academy. So there’s always a chance to move up with all the later picks.

 

[Psicosis]

But isn’t 40 still a good-ish pick?

With there potentially expected to be less then 50-55 kids picked this year, no it’s not.

 

[tiltraise]

It also means we have one less rookie to choose from.

I suspect the MSD has less talent than the rookie picks.

I'm not a fan of the approach but others might disagree and that's fine.

I believe a MSD pick is more valuable than a late rookie pick as you get 8 months more information before making a selection. Of course you gain a MSD pick if you have a LTI but that isnt certain. One way to guarantee a selection is to have a development coach on your rookie list.

Say we decide to go with Liam Shields as a playing dev coach. He trains with the boys over summer and plays mostly in the 2s perhaps filling in the 1s if some injuries strike. If injuries dont strike he retires before MSD and we get a pick and continues on as a dev coach for rest of year wether playing or otherwise.

 

[Shermanator]

I believe a MSD pick is more valuable than a late rookie pick as you get 8 months more information before making a selection. Of course you gain a MSD pick if you have a LTI but that isnt certain. One way to guarantee a selection is to have a development coach on your rookie list.

Say we decide to go with Liam Shields as a playing dev coach. He trains with the boys over summer and plays mostly in the 2s perhaps filling in the 1s if some injuries strike. If injuries dont strike he retires before MSD and we get a pick and continues on as a dev coach for rest of year wether playing or otherwise.

Like it

 

[tiltraise]

Can someone explain (simply) what will be happening with Brisbane? I’m struggling to follow

We hold 4 open primary list spots so we can only take 4 picks to the draft 2,3,23,40.

Ashcroft will be bid on within the first 2 picks wiping out all of Brisbanes current picks and generating new Brisbane picks at back of draft.

Once that bid matching selection is complete Brisbane will trade an f3 + one of their back of draft selections to North for pick 40 as this will give them points to match Jasper Fletcher.

The end of draft pick which will be used to match Harvey.

 

[Jimmac31]

Freaking about every single trade before all is done is moronic. Just wait to assess after the draft period and most of you won't look like such turnips in retrospect.

I do understand that, but theres only one move left to break even. In isolation, our pick swaps have all been losses.

40 + 43 came from the JHF trade. Most people were unhappy with that, but settled. Now its 40 and 55 at best. Which is a loss. If they are useless picks we should have agreed to something better at the time, even a GWS F2.

23 for 59 + Future 19-22. Also a loss.

We either trade 40 for a future 3rd which is another potential loss. Our we trade 23 + 40 into the mid teens to break even.

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