List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread

[SGBeach]

I don't understand how we will fit them into the salary cap. I think Crouch and Daniher will be on high wages and Sier on Medium. Bennell and Taylor will be relatively cheap.

We must be giving them long term heavily backended contracts. Which will affect our ability to resign our best young players in a few years time when they hit their peak.

That is my main concern with this trading spree. We will have to overpay to bring in any highly sought-after players. So won't have much salary cap space to retain players we have.

not sure we have to overpay these players..
Daniher wants out of Melbourne
Crouch may simply want out of Adelaide and the Crows and to play for a good club
Sier may want the opportunity to play seniors and even be the midfield bull that JPK has been
Bennell is cheap
Taylor is also cheap and will get opportunities at the Swans

Im sure there are many aspects the recruiters take into account so we dont pay overs for traded players

 

[Wayne Swan]

Shock. Jones has just requested a trade to the Tainteds. Late first rounder orvhe can go to the Go Co via the via the DFA draft.

A really bad choice of club for us as they have no currency this year. Would have liked to chuck him Essendons way, we may still try and do that rather than accept what will be significant unders.

 

[TheMase]

They dont have a late first rounder.

Their 2020 first for Jones, 2019 #42
That would rate him around pick 17 in points terms.

Throw in 2019 57 if they want, drops to around pick 22.

(Be surprised if we got one of those but I’d take it. They might be willing to deal their first given how compromised next years draft will be)

 

[tombomb]

Their 2020 first for Jones, 2019 #42
That would rate him around pick 17 in points terms.

Throw in 2019 57 if they want, drops to around pick 22.

(Be surprised if we got one of those but I’d take it. They might be willing to deal their first given how compromised next years draft will be)

Sorry to spoil the fun, but there is no way we are going to get a first round pick for an uncontracted jones.

Despite him being worth all of that imo.

 

[TheMase]

Sorry to spoil the fun, but there is no way we are going to get a first round pick for an uncontracted jones.

Despite him being worth all of that imo.

Oh I agree it’s unlikely, as I said that in my post above.

 

[Artygunner]

Would be an excellent get!

Not for the million a season he wants! Shocking use of $$

 

[tombomb]

Jones is such an underrated loss.

Having these melbourne kids come up, do 5 or 6 years, finally start playing like established senior players, and then walk out for half their worth is a disaster.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Paps and Jones leaving is a disaster. Today's footy demands those smaller strong and quick type players. Now we're losing two of the only ones we have. Whether jones is a shit user of the ball or not, his contest winning and line breaking ability will be a massive loss, it's basically a must have in today's game. If anything we needed more players like these 2 let alone losing both of them and looking to replace with more lanky talls. If they don't get replaced like for like, our next few years will be down the dump.

 

[Parky79]

Paps and Jones leaving is a disaster. Today's footy demands those smaller strong and quick type players. Now we're losing two of the only ones we have. Whether jones is a s**t user of the ball or not, his contest winning and line breaking ability will be a massive loss, it's basically a must have in today's game. If anything we needed more players like these 2 let alone losing both of them and looking to replace with more lanky talls. If they don't get replaced like for like, our next few years will be down the dump.

Agree we are in big trouble if we can’t replace

 

[Blacky]

Constant analysis-free complaining and double standards in what you bitch about isn't "holding the club to a high standard", it's wanting to complain and feel justified about it.

In the space of two post you complained about Thurlow and Clarke being picked up then Darcy Cameron being let go.

No I complained that there were a number of players wanting out.

The analysis is that we are potentially paying two top 10 picks for the right to pay the better part of a million dollars to a player who has been injured for two years and whose peak lasted one season.

Does that make sense? Feel free to enlighten me with your well regarded analytical mind.

 

[Ticky009]

A really bad choice of club for us as they have no currency this year. Would have liked to chuck him Essendons way, we may still try and do that rather than accept what will be significant unders.

That’s twice they’ve done this to us. Membrey and now Jones.

 

[tombomb]

That’s twice they’ve done this to us. Membrey and now Jones.

we just gave them membrey ... cause we are nice guys.

 

[SSwans2011]

we are potentially paying two top 10 picks

Do you have any evidence that this is even being considered other than that horseshit Barrett article which he contradicted literally only a few hours later?

 

[Blacky]

Do you have any evidence that this is even being considered other than that horses**t Barrett article which he contradicted literally only a few hours later?

Do you have the ability to read the word “potentially”?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

They dont have a late first rounder.

They find one or Stuey rubs his hands.

 

[SSwans2011]

Do you have the ability to read the word “potentially”?

Yeah, but I could also say we're potentially going to get Walsh and Weitering for Papley. Doesn't make it a valid point.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Dutch auction for Jones and if we do not get fair recompense off he goes. Melbourne could do it but they have curdled the milk with Nathan.

 

[Cadsky]

I don't understand how we will fit them into the salary cap. I think Crouch and Daniher will be on high wages and Sier on Medium. Bennell and Taylor will be relatively cheap.

We must be giving them long term heavily backended contracts. Which will affect our ability to resign our best young players in a few years time when they hit their peak.

That is my main concern with this trading spree. We will have to overpay to bring in any highly sought-after players. So won't have much salary cap space to retain players we have.

Hannerbury ~ $800k
Rohan ~ $500k
Papley ~ $350k
Jones ~ $400k
McVeigh ~ $250k
Grundy ~ $350k
Smith ~ $300k
Jack ~ $400k

Total $3.35M

I've tried to take into consideration where each player was at in their career and when they last re-signed.

We have a war chest ladies and gentlemen. Even if you factor in re-signings of other players I reckon we are sitting on $2M spare.

 

[robbieando]

Gulden and Campbell cost us most of our other picks next year.

Both are projected to be mid to late first round picks at this stage (could go in any direction in a year good or bad) so if we work off that we don't have enough points to match bids in the first round for both if we trade away our 1st round pick this year, with our remaining 3 picks alone.

So I don't see us trading away our 2020 1st Round Pick unless we were to receive a 2020 second round pick in return and got other future picks from other trades. The risk is too great.

 

[Blacky]

Yeah, but I could also say we're potentially going to get Walsh and Weitering for Papley. Doesn't make it a valid point.

except one of those is being reported in the media and the other isn’t.
Will it happen? Who knows, but it’s definitely a possibility.

 

[RobbieK]

I find it equally sad watching people fawn all over the club blindly.

Don’t see the issue with holding the club to a high standard.

it’s remarkable to me that you’re giving the club credit for a bloke having 4 ACL reconstructions like that’s a feather in their cap. As for them getting kudos for a player playing 22 games it just goes to show how low the bar is set. Well done to the club on doing what they’re supposed to do.

I think it says it all that any word of positivity about this club is labelled by you as "blindly fawning". Acknowledging mistakes, putting them in a broader context, seeing the good (which over the last two decades there has been a lot of) and the bad... that's not fawning, that's realism. You don't do that. When is the last time you posted anything positive about the club?

The references to those players was tongue in cheek, but when you are so detached from reality I guess I should have signposted that a little more clearly for you.

 

[SSwans2011]

except one of those is being reported in the media and the other isn’t.
Will it happen? Who knows, but it’s definitely a possibility.

Barrett's also said we won't give up pick 5 and will refuse to trade Papley.

By your logic we should simultaneously be pessimistic and decry the club, but also be optimistic and applaud them for their brilliance, thus leaving us completely neutral to the current trade period.

Bad job well done.

 

[Millky95]

Jones to Saints for a Future second sounds about right

 

[Kummerspeck]

No I complained that there were a number of players wanting out.

You were complaining about list cloggers and not doing enough to keep a player who's played one game in however many seasons. You were taking random, contradictory potshots.

The analysis is that we are potentially paying two top 10 picks for the right to pay the better part of a million dollars to a player who has been injured for two years and whose peak lasted one season.

Does that make sense? Feel free to enlighten me with your well regarded analytical mind.

Not really. At this point we're actually paying nothing and potentially paying a dozen first round picks. Criticism over something that hasn't happened and hasn't even looked like happening so far is, again, random bitching, not holding the club to a high standard.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Sorry to spoil the fun, but there is no way we are going to get a first round pick for an uncontracted jones.

Despite him being worth all of that imo.

Then deal out via an auction of the Melbourne clubs. We owe him zip.