1st Test Border Gavaskar Trophy November 22-26 1350hrs @ Perth Stadium

[peternorth]

I literally said this at the time.

There was zero point playing Warner knowing he was cooked, we could have blooded new openers against West Indies and Pakistan and given them experience prior to the 2024/25 series.

McSweeney has been thrown to the wolves here a bit. And Kawaja not even taking the first ball with 25 mins to survive is a ****in embarrassment for him. Should be ashamed.

Seems the whole team has drunk their own bathwater over winter.

It is interesting....it stems back to when taylor was struggling and when journo asked if he should go back to shield level to find form he said no, it's best to play against the best (waqar and wasim).

test cricket is the pinnacle. they dont see it as a place to blood players, unless its compelling or....perhaps newbie is mates with senior players. otherwise, no one wants to give anyone else an opportunity.

 

[ABAB]

Exactly so there should have been no way any side doesn’t WIN the series outright a draw is almost losing it from there. Very average series

You do know what happened after the stumping and then change of ball.......

 

[LukeParkerno1]

An Ashes series goes for 5 matches. We went ahead early and losing Lyon in the second test was the decisive factor in not closing the series out easily.

Should we have eked out a series win? I think so, we were the better side but cricket doesn't always play to script and England did enough to square the ledger.

A good side wins that series 4-1 at worst. We are an okay side saved by two elite bowlers in Cummins and Hazelwood.

 

[peternorth]

I really want to be able to see some test cricket tonight after work.

 

[kickazz]

England and the WI face similar issues, but the reality is that our country's very best athletes don't elect to play cricket. The recent AFL draft had a heap of kids who excelled at both sports but in mid teens chose football.
India only has 1 sport

There are 18 teams x (38? list spots) in the AFL, so even if you are outside the top 400 you can still be a part of the system and earn a living.

Cricket just doesn't have the opportunities for the players that are not at the absolute top. Even if you are close, T20 is a much safer and potentially more lucrative option.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You do know what happened after the stumping and then change of ball.......

What happened in the other two tests…it should have been 4-0 leading into the last but we played abysmal cricket.

 

[BGman]

It's interesting to see people going back to the "there's no-one banging down the door!" myth, when we had both Bancroft, Webster and even McSweeney in solid-to-excellent shield form last summer.

And this season a rejuvenated Henry Hunt and Tim Ward, the latter yesterday falling just short of his first ton in two years on a semi lively first day SCG deck. Is batting #3 this year too.

 

[ABAB]

ODI WC is a great achievement.
T20 WC nothing special. Happens every 2 years and England, India have also won it. We didn't even make it out of the group stages for two of them.
WTC nothing special. Uneven fixtures, points deductions and a one off final at a fixed venue.
Retaining the Ashes against an average England??? Win the Ashes not retain.

And then we let India pull down our pants at home thrice and can't even beat Sri Lanka away and West Indies at home.

You do know what happened after the stumping and then change of ball, not to mention the Wilson none decision the previous Ashes series in England, we had a very strong side with Smith and Marnus ranked the 1 and 2 batsmen in the world and Warner in the top 5, best fast bowling attack in the world and best spinner in the world.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

On form Cummins is the bowler that would miss for Boland but obviously captain so he won't go out, don't think Starc bowled that bad but 5 tests I would be rotating them Boland in for Adelaide but it won't happen.

If Marsh fails again surely you consider dropping him , he has come off virtually no cricket at all of late. Play the extra seam bowler if you need to.

Somehow I doubt we are reducing our batsmen lol

 

[ABAB]

What happened in the other two tests…it should have been 4-0 leading into the last but we played abysmal cricket.

Should have won it 3-1 without that change of ball.

 

[kickazz]

And Kawaja not even taking the first ball with 25 mins to survive is a ****in embarrassment for him. Should be ashamed.

This is being overplayed IMO.

Maybe he wants to give the kid the honour/experience.

And at the end of the day there is every possibility you get a single off the first ball. If protecting the new kid is what you want to do, then put him in at 5 or 6.

 

[BGman]

It’s meant absolutely nothing because it’s how you develop those players once they filter into senior competition that determines what comes of those players.

True. But what I have seen from those kids I listed, it gives me hope for the future of Aussie red ball cricket, when others are saying we have no future..

 

[sherb]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

 

[Bucking Beads]

It feels like Australia just haven't prepared for life after the stars of the 2010s, the Smiths, Khawajas, Warners etc. Which is why it feels our top order just ain't great anymore.

I know Bancroft's current form isn't great but it feels like he's been passed over way too much, he'd probably be doing better than some of our top order right now.

I would have thought Bancroft's technical difficult would be even more found out by a guy like Bumrah TBH.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Should have won it 3-1 without that change of ball.

It shouldn't have even come down to a ball, this was a terrible English side.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

Go through our young talent coming through and pick a few blokes with 10-20 first class matches that have decent records. Would be very slim pickings particularly with the bat.

 

[sherb]

On form Cummins is the bowler that would miss for Boland but obviously captain so he won't go out, don't think Starc bowled that bad but 5 tests I would be rotating them Boland in for Adelaide but it won't happen.

If Marsh fails again surely you consider dropping him , he has come off virtually no cricket at all of late. Play the extra seam bowler if you need to.

That seems to be part of the current problem to me, the next fast bowler in line (if we replace one of the current three) is 35 years old...........

 

[BGman]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

Konstas after only 6 FC came close before CA had a second think. How bout blooding him on the short Sri Lanka tour. Reckon he could cope mentally debuting there plus his spin play is sufficiently competent. Why mess bout with him as he is the best prospect we have had since the emergence of Will Pucovski.

 

[ABAB]

It shouldn't have even come down to a ball, this was a terrible English side.

We looked comfortable chasing that score until the ball was changed. They might be a terrible England side but they've always been able to swing the ball under certain condition with a brand new ball and cloudy condition.

 

[sherb]

Go through our young talent coming through and pick a few blokes with 10-20 first class matches that have decent records. Would be very slim pickings particularly with the bat.

True. I was just highlighting how times have changed.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We looked comfortable chasing that score until the ball was changed. They might be a terrible England side but they've always been able to swing the ball under certain condition with a brand new ball and cloudy condition.

It showed the fragility of our batting especially, and why this is an okay to good side rather than anything more that's the whole point. It's no more than a good Australian side. Least if they get smoked we can not hear how great they are for a while, never know they might actually play more Shield cricket rather than resting for every reason known to man

 

[Foxx]

If Warner didn't score a double century at MCG he would have been cooked then and there. That double Tonn spared him a year or so and got him a ticket to ashes where he was shocking.

he was cooked.

It didn't make any difference how many runs he scored, or how on field imposing he was to opposition teams. Most people wanted him out for most of his career simply because they didn't like him.
Now they get their wish, and can watch a 70kg soaking wet opener give the opposition bowlers an extra pep in their step.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That seems to be part of the current problem to me, the next fast bowler in line (if we replace one of the current three) is 35 years old...........

Less concerned about the bowling Buckingham looks a talent, the Victorian swing bowler could be very good in England, and you have a couple out of the U19 that look high quality. More concerned on the batting, adding more 30 plus year olds isn't the answer, and furthermore taking 30 plus year olds as reserve bats overseas makes it worse. It's time to give these new guys a go, we won't know till we do.

Henry Hunt is one to keep an eye on, started the season really well this year after the second year syndrome year last year. Could he be the option? Well lets see there but one to keep an eye on

 

[The hands of stone]

Lol some fool on SEN demanding that Trevor Hohns gets sacked immediately.

Stock standard

 

[Gavin Excell]

I just looked up Jaiswal's career stats - this is his 31st first-class match, of which 15 have been Tests. So he has played just 16 first-class games outside of Test matches.

Australia used to be the nation that picked players based on that sort of thinking.......eg Lillee was picked after playing 20 f-c games (which was only a season and a half, plus a "b" tour to NZ), Thommo just 6, McCosker 11, Cosier 16, Warne 7, etc.........

Steve Waugh too was identified and backed in by selectors as a young bloke and had a pretty poor start to his test career