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tora tora tora said:
Whately's State of the game crisis coincided with Dimma's dynasty.
2019 666 was introduced. AFL studied that RFC set up most that way.
2 flags followed. 2021 Stand rule introduced by in response to the way Cotchin stood the mark. To make the game faster.
WOW ~ massive improvement !!

2020 Stack & CJ incident ended up being a soft cap fine. Maybe cost McRae & Leppa


I think Barrot has written about AFL HQ being p off.


Mansell 3 weeks ,

AFL not bowing to noise and leaving Balta 6
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well Caro said it on the tv afl were still pissed off with the club still over covid year and apparantley because of what Dimma was saying apparantley the club was arrogant
You forgot the Rioli and Bolton incident where they defend there gf at club get in a punch on, 50 k fine , but down the road sleepy hollow player can get into a brawl , have an ambo called and black out at a nightclub But plays the next week 😂
 

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Meteoric Rise said:
Read the room. You argued vehemently against something most Richmond supporters felt strongly about - that Ginbey should be suspended for deliberately or recklessly shoving Lalor into oncoming traffic at high speed by pushing him in the back. Now you are arguing people are reacting wrongly when a Richmond player is rubbed out for a push that preceded his opponent electing to run recklessly into oncoming traffic to try to take a mark.

Our supporters have no idea of the precise mechanics of the AFL officiating against us at every turn. Such is the nature of these things that nobody is ever likely to own up to any revealing detail.

All we know is it just keeps happening…

- Houli decision to suspend for 2 weeks at Tribunal appealed by the same organisation that failed to even site players for incidents for which they were responsible that saw Richmond players seriously injured, Hawkins/Soldo, Dangerfield/Vlastuin, Ginbey/Lalor

- Lynch suspended for a bump that caused no injury after he was pushed into the contest because “he was going to bump anyway.” 2 short weeks later in the Mansell case the “he was going to do it anyway” principle counts for zero at the exact same Tribunal

- 3 Richmond players charged by the MRO in one match in 2020, ALL overturned by the Tribunal. Think about that for a minute. The odds of that occurring if those charges were not the result of biased officiating are astronomical

- accredited reporters reporting AFL Footy Operations boss Steven Hocking(the CEO in waiting of the club we kept beating in finals no less) had become “increasingly angry” with elements of the way Richmond played. He then was the main driver behind rule changes designed specifically to help his club Geelong shake the hold we had over them

- free kick results that for 8 years now have put Richmond way out of step with what would be normal for the 18th worst off team in an 8 year period. We have finished 18th on the free kick differential in 6 of those years, 17th in another year and 13th in the other. This is just what we can get access to. We are known to be the worst off for 50m penalty rulings every time that figure is revealed. When we watch games as Richmond supporters we get the same feeling from all the other rulings umpires make - advantage calls, marks paid/not paid, play on calls etc.

- Common sense gate where the AFL said it was fine for an umpire not to enforce a rule in our favour giving us a shot at goal to win post siren, because it was “common sense.” Only this had not been applied in the same situation when one of our players had similarly infringed.

- It was also not applied when umpires could see Dion Prestia KO’d illegally and being frantically attended by medical staff where the umps insisted on the play continuing around him for 2 whole minutes until the opposition(surprise surprise Geelong) scored what turned out to be the goal that won them the game.

- triangulation gate. Where the AFL employed and defended a method of over-ruling Richmond’s winning goal in a final by a method so dodgy that it has never once been employed in 500 odd games since. Which team do you think might have been the main beneficiary of our elimination from the race to meet them in a Preliminary Final? You guessed it, Geelong.

- 2 X very dubious Marlion Pickett charges/tribunal outcomes where his potential penalties were maximised, one of which involved a passage of play where he copped a roundhouse swinging arm “tackle” clear on the head which the MRO chose to ignore. From memory he was suspended both times for “potential to cause injury.” Which is rarely used bar on Richmond players.

- 2 X extremely dubious Mansell suspensions, one where he was genuinely contesting the ball, the other for an offence that seemed to have little or no causal link to the collision he was reported for causing.

- Dubious outcome in the B Ellis FA compo case that our club was very unhappy about. Guess which future Geelong CEO made that decision?

I am almost certainly missing some more obvious ones. Who could forget our 8 X technical 50m penalties game against Carlton for eg.

If you think all of these things are just the result of the way the cookie crumbles, you are stretching the boundaries of what most of us could ever accept as credible. It is abundantly clear to the rest of us we are suffering heavily biased officiating by the AFL. Like, way beyond the normal level of bias most fans feel their team suffers. We know the difference, because we were in the latter category all my life up to 8 years ago, and since then we have been in the former category. 500,000 people don’t just simultaneously imagine the same thing where that thing is false.
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Every board has its one-eyed supporters who believe their club is getting screwed over by the CFL.
We laugh at their mad nuffies, and they laugh at ours.
 
tiger_tough said:
Has Tovey ever managed to get us off a charge that wasn't a free hit?

Blokes a dud.
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Is this our lawyer bloke? Some of our arguments for this case have been terrible.
 
tunksy said:
Don’t need to hang shit on _RT_

He’s entitled to his opinion just like the rest us. It’s ok to have a different perspective.

Certainly not worth piling on one of the good posters on here.
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Examining what you have just posted.

Do we just confine it to RT so that RT only has wonderful likes / loves and laughter to just anything that is prattled out repetitively with copiously long detail? We should just fall in yeah? Maybe bow a little?

Yes, RT can proffer a perspective but if it is the dribble that I've been reading in this Fred, expect the mob to push back and hang some.

That's some of the fabric that makes a Yella n Black supporter. We don't have to be nice.
 

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Meteoric Rise said:
Read the room. You argued vehemently against something most Richmond supporters felt strongly about - that Ginbey should be suspended for deliberately or recklessly shoving Lalor into oncoming traffic at high speed by pushing him in the back. Now you are arguing people are reacting wrongly when a Richmond player is rubbed out for a push that preceded his opponent electing to run recklessly into oncoming traffic to try to take a mark.

Our supporters have no idea of the precise mechanics of the AFL officiating against us at every turn. Such is the nature of these things that nobody is ever likely to own up to any revealing detail.

All we know is it just keeps happening…

- Houli decision to suspend for 2 weeks at Tribunal appealed by the same organisation that failed to even site players for incidents for which they were responsible that saw Richmond players seriously injured, Hawkins/Soldo, Dangerfield/Vlastuin, Ginbey/Lalor

- Lynch suspended for a bump that caused no injury after he was pushed into the contest because “he was going to bump anyway.” 2 short weeks later in the Mansell case the “he was going to do it anyway” principle counts for zero at the exact same Tribunal

- 3 Richmond players charged by the MRO in one match in 2020, ALL overturned by the Tribunal. Think about that for a minute. The odds of that occurring if those charges were not the result of biased officiating are astronomical

- accredited reporters reporting AFL Footy Operations boss Steven Hocking(the CEO in waiting of the club we kept beating in finals no less) had become “increasingly angry” with elements of the way Richmond played. He then was the main driver behind rule changes designed specifically to help his club Geelong shake the hold we had over them

- free kick results that for 8 years now have put Richmond way out of step with what would be normal for the 18th worst off team in an 8 year period. We have finished 18th on the free kick differential in 6 of those years, 17th in another year and 13th in the other. This is just what we can get access to. We are known to be the worst off for 50m penalty rulings every time that figure is revealed. When we watch games as Richmond supporters we get the same feeling from all the other rulings umpires make - advantage calls, marks paid/not paid, play on calls etc.

- Common sense gate where the AFL said it was fine for an umpire not to enforce a rule in our favour giving us a shot at goal to win post siren, because it was “common sense.” Only this had not been applied in the same situation when one of our players had similarly infringed.

- It was also not applied when umpires could see Dion Prestia KO’d illegally and being frantically attended by medical staff where the umps insisted on the play continuing around him for 2 whole minutes until the opposition(surprise surprise Geelong) scored what turned out to be the goal that won them the game.

- triangulation gate. Where the AFL employed and defended a method of over-ruling Richmond’s winning goal in a final by a method so dodgy that it has never once been employed in 500 odd games since. Which team do you think might have been the main beneficiary of our elimination from the race to meet them in a Preliminary Final? You guessed it, Geelong.

- 2 X very dubious Marlion Pickett charges/tribunal outcomes where his potential penalties were maximised, one of which involved a passage of play where he copped a roundhouse swinging arm “tackle” clear on the head which the MRO chose to ignore. From memory he was suspended both times for “potential to cause injury.” Which is rarely used bar on Richmond players.

- 2 X extremely dubious Mansell suspensions, one where he was genuinely contesting the ball, the other for an offence that seemed to have little or no causal link to the collision he was reported for causing.

- Dubious outcome in the B Ellis FA compo case that our club was very unhappy about. Guess which future Geelong CEO made that decision?

I am almost certainly missing some more obvious ones. Who could forget our 8 X technical 50m penalties game against Carlton for eg.

If you think all of these things are just the result of the way the cookie crumbles, you are stretching the boundaries of what most of us could ever accept as credible. It is abundantly clear to the rest of us we are suffering heavily biased officiating by the AFL. Like, way beyond the normal level of bias most fans feel their team suffers. We know the difference, because we were in the latter category all my life up to 8 years ago, and since then we have been in the former category. 500,000 people don’t just simultaneously imagine the same thing where that thing is false.
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Also the 2021 final at the Gabba when Lynch had a goal overturned despite there being no evidence whatsoever to do so.
They said there was, but we still haven't seen it and never will.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
Read the room. You argued vehemently against something most Richmond supporters felt strongly about - that Ginbey should be suspended for deliberately or recklessly shoving Lalor into oncoming traffic at high speed by pushing him in the back. Now you are arguing people are reacting wrongly when a Richmond player is rubbed out for a push that preceded his opponent electing to run recklessly into oncoming traffic to try to take a mark.

Our supporters have no idea of the precise mechanics of the AFL officiating against us at every turn. Such is the nature of these things that nobody is ever likely to own up to any revealing detail.

All we know is it just keeps happening…

- Houli decision to suspend for 2 weeks at Tribunal appealed by the same organisation that failed to even site players for incidents for which they were responsible that saw Richmond players seriously injured, Hawkins/Soldo, Dangerfield/Vlastuin, Ginbey/Lalor

- Lynch suspended for a bump that caused no injury after he was pushed into the contest because “he was going to bump anyway.” 2 short weeks later in the Mansell case the “he was going to do it anyway” principle counts for zero at the exact same Tribunal

- 3 Richmond players charged by the MRO in one match in 2020, ALL overturned by the Tribunal. Think about that for a minute. The odds of that occurring if those charges were not the result of biased officiating are astronomical

- accredited reporters reporting AFL Footy Operations boss Steven Hocking(the CEO in waiting of the club we kept beating in finals no less) had become “increasingly angry” with elements of the way Richmond played. He then was the main driver behind rule changes designed specifically to help his club Geelong shake the hold we had over them

- free kick results that for 8 years now have put Richmond way out of step with what would be normal for the 18th worst off team in an 8 year period. We have finished 18th on the free kick differential in 6 of those years, 17th in another year and 13th in the other. This is just what we can get access to. We are known to be the worst off for 50m penalty rulings every time that figure is revealed. When we watch games as Richmond supporters we get the same feeling from all the other rulings umpires make - advantage calls, marks paid/not paid, play on calls etc.

- Common sense gate where the AFL said it was fine for an umpire not to enforce a rule in our favour giving us a shot at goal to win post siren, because it was “common sense.” Only this had not been applied in the same situation when one of our players had similarly infringed.

- It was also not applied when umpires could see Dion Prestia KO’d illegally and being frantically attended by medical staff where the umps insisted on the play continuing around him for 2 whole minutes until the opposition(surprise surprise Geelong) scored what turned out to be the goal that won them the game.

- triangulation gate. Where the AFL employed and defended a method of over-ruling Richmond’s winning goal in a final by a method so dodgy that it has never once been employed in 500 odd games since. Which team do you think might have been the main beneficiary of our elimination from the race to meet them in a Preliminary Final? You guessed it, Geelong.

- 2 X very dubious Marlion Pickett charges/tribunal outcomes where his potential penalties were maximised, one of which involved a passage of play where he copped a roundhouse swinging arm “tackle” clear on the head which the MRO chose to ignore. From memory he was suspended both times for “potential to cause injury.” Which is rarely used bar on Richmond players.

- 2 X extremely dubious Mansell suspensions, one where he was genuinely contesting the ball, the other for an offence that seemed to have little or no causal link to the collision he was reported for causing.

- Dubious outcome in the B Ellis FA compo case that our club was very unhappy about. Guess which future Geelong CEO made that decision?

I am almost certainly missing some more obvious ones. Who could forget our 8 X technical 50m penalties game against Carlton for eg.

If you think all of these things are just the result of the way the cookie crumbles, you are stretching the boundaries of what most of us could ever accept as credible. It is abundantly clear to the rest of us we are suffering heavily biased officiating by the AFL. Like, way beyond the normal level of bias most fans feel their team suffers. We know the difference, because we were in the latter category all my life up to 8 years ago, and since then we have been in the former category. 500,000 people don’t just simultaneously imagine the same thing where that thing is false.
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tugga said:
Also the 2021 final at the Gabba when Lynch had a goal overturned despite there being no evidence whatsoever to do so.
They said there was, but we still haven't seen it and never will.
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That was 2022 and exactly what I was referring to by using the term “triangulation-gate.”

The most ludicrous part of it was how easy it was for the AFL to convince the overwhelming majority of neutral fans at the time it was legit.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
That was 2022 and exactly what I was referring to by using the term “triangulation-gate.”

The most ludicrous part of it was how easy it was for the AFL to convince the overwhelming majority of neutral fans at the time it was legit.
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Apparantely it was very obvious on the video that the Arc had.
Yet nobody has ever seen this footage.
Area 51 vibes.
 
We better appeal this crap decision. Our club is one of the richer clubs so they should pull their finger out and do it on principle.

So will the CFL now suspend a player who outbodies/pushes his opponent out of the way in a marking contest and somehow that player who gets pushed out gets injured or concussed?
 
tugga said:
Also the 2021 final at the Gabba when Lynch had a goal overturned despite there being no evidence whatsoever to do so.
They said there was, but we still haven't seen it and never will.
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2022? dodgy no doubt.
But we were still in front. Nank,Balta,Vlas, Tarrant & Jack R vs Daniher.

couldn't spoil a ball in their goal square. Daniher goals. They win.

couldn't win a close game to save ourselves.
 
Meteoric Rise said:
We have finished 18th on the free kick differential in 6 of those years, 17th in another year and 13th in the other. This is just what we can get access to. We are known to be the worst off for 50m penalty rulings every time that figure is revealed. When we watch games as Richmond supporters we get the same feeling from all the other rulings umpires make - advantage calls, marks paid/not paid, play on calls etc.
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Just on this point, finishing bottom of the free kick differential ladder doesn't matter. We could do it for the next 100 years and it wouldn't be statistically relevant to establishing a bias.

It is the actual free kick numbers of the teams we play against which is the important number. When I did my look through and someone else here did the same stats 2 years ago (I think. It was Roksman I believe on twitter), I found that when most teams played us (except GWS and Hawthorn oddly), they were -2SD below their average for Frees Against. This is huge. The conspiracy is starts to grow legs when every team is suddenly more disciplined against us vs any other team

Basically for those who don't study stats or don't remember; If results consistently sit around -2 standard deviations (SD), it means they're repeatedly at the very low end of what we'd normally expect. To put it simply, it's like regularly finishing near the bottom 2% of outcomes—very unusual if everything were performing normally. This suggests something significant might be causing this underperformance, rather than it being just random bad luck.
 
Sam_100 said:
We better appeal this crap decision. Our club is one of the richer clubs so they should pull their finger out and do it on principle.

So will the CFL now suspend a player who outbodies/pushes his opponent out of the way in a marking contest and somehow that player who gets pushed out gets injured or concussed?
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We won't, our legal team is crap and got nothing else.
 

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