List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[Ugene41]

I'd do Richards, Noble and future first for Houston.

3 way deal. Port and GC squabble about picks, but Port want this year's 12 and GC will want the future pick as the big pieces.

It won't be enough. That's barely more than we gave away for Schultz and Houston is actually indisputably elite and coming off 2 AAs. Also has 3 years left on his contract compared to Schultz who had one year before UFA.

 

[manicpie]

Who says Huston doesn’t do his ACL day one of preseason and never make it back. Taking two picks to the draft defrays the risk. Yes there is a chance both end up as busts but same with the player you bring in

We can change the past, embrace the present. Let the club do it's job, then worry about the decisions they've made.

 

[sr36]

Lucosious needs to be factored into the trade

Good point. He might almost be a freeby as a salary dump though.

 

[Apex36]

I’ve literally given you the stats which you choose to ignore.
Picks 11-20 in the draft average 110 games. Thats role players at best. That’s a markov career.

The key word is average here. So no, the likelihood is that you’ll either get a 150-200 gamer or a bust, with a sprinkling of role players thrown in.

 

[nahnah]

Who says Huston doesn’t do his ACL day one of preseason and never make it back. Taking two picks to the draft defrays the risk.

Until they both die in a plane crash together, at least Houston will likely overcome his ACL injury..

 

[Jen2310]

Good point. He might almost be a freeby as a salary dump though.

I think I read that the suns would be open to Port's F1 for Luko, given they'll need points next year.

 

[Jasper84]

No flag, no BNF, no all Aus and didn’t play 100 games for two top 10 picks. If that was the return we got from the draft picks you’d say they were a bust

The only metric that even remotely shows the value of the trade is looking at the players drafted with those picks. In this case it's Treloar for Logue and Weiderman. Dunno if you want to continue hitching your wagon to this argument.

 

[Seedsfan]

The salary cap stuff up is another story. He'll hit approximately 200 games of solid AFL midfield with an AA year since we traded for him. Better than what you'd average for the picks in terms of both number of games and quality.

That’s what we got for two top 10 picks 90 games.

 

[Seedsfan]

The only metric that even remotely shows the value of the trade is looking at the players drafted with those picks. In this case it's Treloar for Logue and Weiderman. Dunno if you want to continue hitching your wagon to this argument.

lol look at the other players available. At or after that pick. We wouldn’t have necessarily made the same decision as the clubs the picks got on traded to

 

[Seedsfan]

Should trade Nick then. We could derisk his potential injury with 4 first round picks...

lol. So it’s okay to say let’s give up two picks as their bodies may fail like Scharenberg and Freeman yet the same logic can’t be applied to assess the risk of the trade the other way

 

[sr36]

It won't be enough. That's barely more than we gave away for Schultz and Houston is actually indisputably elite and coming off 2 AAs. Also has 3 years left on his contract compared to Schultz who had one year before UFA.

Different scenarios. No one valued those second round picks last year, because there were so many academy kids and teams didnt rate the draft enough to open a lot of list spots, so forget that second round pick part of it. Then with the future first, it ended being a lower number than expected in a draft that's value has also risen significantly since the deal.

If Carlton aren't willing to trade their current first, not sure how they're offering more.

 

[Seedsfan]

When we picked up Freeman and Sharenberg using two top 10 draft picks and they both barely played for us who could have known? Huston's a risk and so are draft picks.

Exactly, what ever move we make is a risk. Yet the chance that two players bodies fail them is lower than putting all your eggs in one basket

 

[Jasper84]

lol. So it’s okay to say let’s give up two picks as their bodies may fail like Scharenberg and Freeman yet the same logic can’t be applied to assess the risk of the trade the other way

How are you not getting this? Nobody is saying that the risk is that their bodies might fail. It's that they won't be as good of a player as the one that we're trading for. Future injuries can't be factored into any trade scenario.

 

[Seedsfan]

How are you not getting this? Nobody is say that the risk is that their bodies might fail. It's that they won't be as good of a player as the one that we're trading for.

Yet the example you use are two players who’s bodies failed them so it is exactly what you were saying

 

[sr36]

lol. So it’s okay to say let’s give up two picks as their bodies may fail like Scharenberg and Freeman yet the same logic can’t be applied to assess the risk of the trade the other way

If the only risk with Shaz and Freeman or any other draft pick was their body failing, I'd agree with you.

 

[jimmy35]

Exactly, what ever move we make is a risk. Yet the chance that two players bodies fail them is lower than putting all your eggs in one basket

What will make us a better side next year, Houston or 2 17 year old kids?

 

[Seedsfan]

What will make us a better side next year, Houston or 2 17 year old kids?

Since when could we play 17 year olds?

 

[rdangelo]

All this talk about Housten vs picks is ridiculous.
With Housten you're getting a gun and right now we need guns to win another Premiership.
The fact that people value unknown players (picks) ahead of ready made ones when it's hit or miss when we are in a premiership window is buffoonery.

 

[Jasper84]

Yet the example you use are two players who’s bodies failed them so it is exactly what you were saying

You do know that both Sharenberg and Freeman were delisted and not medically retired, yeah?

 

[sr36]

That’s what we got for two top 10 picks 90 games.

Yes that was because we stuffed up the salary cap. It wasn't because of the trade.

 

[jimmy35]

Since when could we play 17 year olds?

2 kids out of the draft. Will they make us better next year or Houston. Or are you going some side ways ramble again?

 

[jimmy35]

All this talk about Housten vs picks is ridiculous.
With Housten you're getting a gun and right now we need guns to win another Premiership.
The fact that people value unknown players (picks) ahead of ready made ones when it's hit or miss when we are in a premiership window is buffoonery.

Nope apparently not.

 

[pieman123]

If we manage to replace Noble with Houston, thats massive would put us right back into contentioin. Im pretty sure the club know next year is the last dance for Pendles, Howe, Sidey etc.

 

[Seedsfan]

If the only risk with Shaz and Freeman or any other draft pick was their body failing, I'd agree with you.

It is fair to expect that we run at a 50% success rate and brake even at worst

 

[Jen2310]

2 kids out of the draft. Will they make us better next year or Houston. Or are you going some side ways ramble again?

The draft is about the future
Trading is for the now.
Which is why you find a balance for both.