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Have mate who has written us off - reckon we willl sneak in
will we make the 8?
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today will be a big indicator but i think we will make the 8, probably finis around 6. If we can beat WCE and a few hard opponents later on we can dare to dream.
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nup, not after the seeing the first half of today's game against west coast!!. always next year!!!!
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You should have watched the second half then!
We have a star in the making playing at Sandy….Seb Ross= GUN.
We have a star in the making playing at Sandy….Seb Ross= GUN.
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The answer is no (although I'd certainly be happy if we did).
After Raph Clarke, the only legitimate defender not to get a game, we have no depth in defense (unless you feel like crucifying Jay Lever or Jimmy Webster who are both currently injured). Midfielders get monstered in the back line by seasoned forwards / ruck-forwards.
A quick look through the list after today's game tells you there's no-one else who can step up. Gwilt will be touch and go until he gets a half-dozen AFL games under his belt. Fisher will come back, but needs cover as he's aging. Gram isn't a stay-at-home backman, neither is Ray. Geary is short. Dempster's too light. Simpkin for now is too light. Winmar's too light and his output is questionable. Blake's no good one-on-one as he holds, pushes and generally has brainfades when the ball's approaching in the air.
Speed isn't the only reason that West Coast and Essendon have pummeled us in the recent past, despite the defensive game plan of Lyon.
After Raph Clarke, the only legitimate defender not to get a game, we have no depth in defense (unless you feel like crucifying Jay Lever or Jimmy Webster who are both currently injured). Midfielders get monstered in the back line by seasoned forwards / ruck-forwards.
A quick look through the list after today's game tells you there's no-one else who can step up. Gwilt will be touch and go until he gets a half-dozen AFL games under his belt. Fisher will come back, but needs cover as he's aging. Gram isn't a stay-at-home backman, neither is Ray. Geary is short. Dempster's too light. Simpkin for now is too light. Winmar's too light and his output is questionable. Blake's no good one-on-one as he holds, pushes and generally has brainfades when the ball's approaching in the air.
Speed isn't the only reason that West Coast and Essendon have pummeled us in the recent past, despite the defensive game plan of Lyon.
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I get out of bed just fine, on the right side.
If you're suggesting I'm being negative, have a look through the list with an objective eye, then tell me what you think.
If you're suggesting I'm being negative, have a look through the list with an objective eye, then tell me what you think.
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I hope so but don't really see the point in it.
Would rather stooge the other middle of the road teams out of a pick (in every round, don't forget that!) in the first untainted draft in years.
Would rather stooge the other middle of the road teams out of a pick (in every round, don't forget that!) in the first untainted draft in years.
Wow, I'm glad you aren't the coach.
Simpkin has been amazing as a FB for a 21 year old
Fisher was playing great a few weeks ago so unless he's somehow aged in dog years since then I think he'll be fine
Gram has been good at containing small forwards this year
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Yes, Simpkin has been great. I haven't said anything contradictory to that. I'm pointing out that against huge players (Cox et al) he can run and jump then not reach it, or he can get shoved out of the way. In time he'll have the bulk to not get shoved out of the way.
Yes, Fisher has been great, but injuries will gradually become more frequent. We need to have someone ready to fill that hole when it happens.
Gram isn't a specialist defender. He's a run-off HB and can't be asked to fill in for Blake or Fisher.
We can all rant and rave about which midfielders/forwards we'd like to see in each week, but a lack of key defensive personnel who have the ability to contest overhead isn't going to get fixed by bringing in the likes of Ross or Ledger.
Well I have penned in another 8 wins...
Swans
tigers
Suns
North
Lions
Dogs
Demons
Giants
... that leaves us with 12 wins... should get us in but % becomes very important
Losses i have pencilled in are...
Crows (away)
Bombers
Swans (away)
Magpies
Cats
Blues
Swans
tigers
Suns
North
Lions
Dogs
Demons
Giants
... that leaves us with 12 wins... should get us in but % becomes very important
Losses i have pencilled in are...
Crows (away)
Bombers
Swans (away)
Magpies
Cats
Blues
Superduperouzel
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50/50 chance.
top 5 West coast, Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn, Adelaide are a lock
Next 3 spots are between Sydney, Carlton, Geelong, Fremantle, Richmond, North and us.
We need alot to go right and some teams like North, Carlton, Freo and Richmond to drop more games they are expected to win.
top 5 West coast, Collingwood, Essendon, Hawthorn, Adelaide are a lock
Next 3 spots are between Sydney, Carlton, Geelong, Fremantle, Richmond, North and us.
We need alot to go right and some teams like North, Carlton, Freo and Richmond to drop more games they are expected to win.
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Penned in. Like your confidence
Bolded teams we could certainly get beaten by imo
Coming back from Perth, Swans have no fear of us no matter where we play them
Tigers looking pretty good at times (as do we, but only at times for both teams)
Who knows what North will dish up
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I agree with the wins, with the losses i think we can beat Cats and Blues that would give us 14 wins.
I tend to agree with you final spot.
The draw in finals will decide a lot. There's a good chance of having to play an away final against ( for example ) Sydney, and if won another away final against West Coast or Adelaide.
It actually seems less daunting if they end up playing Hawthorn or Collingwood.
( Schnieder will be pissed if we dont make finals ).
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The post above should come with a warning for those who suffer depression, that it may affect them further.
Simpkin has had a SENSATIONAL year and will be a ten year player for us. Fisher is MR RELIABLE as he has also been for years. Gram is in good recent form, since coming back from injury and VFL. As to Geary and Dempster happy to have either of them in back line. They do not have the height to take a Cox but the short and medium forwards are their bread and butter.
Its not a matter of looking for wholesale changes, but inclusion of several, continual improvement from all and we are not that far off the mark.
We cannot conjure up monster defenders, or ruck alternatives, until the next draft. This I would imagine is on the agenda for recruitment at St Kilda.
I am finding this a much much more positive year than I thought it was going to be. We have:
- new coaches in place, that are bringing younger players on and rewarding effort and performance
- attempting to implement a NEW game plan, that is not only exciting but will allow us to better use our talent in the side, rather than employing all players as robots fulfilling a task within a Lyin Grand Plan
- got a great development program in place, staffed and worked with our young draftees
- competition for places in the 22 We see it with the reports on here from the guys that go to Sandy matches and give reports, that we do have development there and young guys working for inclusion in the seniors
- much to be positive about
I think we can, may very well sneak in and cause some damage.
Don't have heaps of depth through our list but seeing a few youngsters come on has been huge.
Simpkin will be a great player, looks a gem and holding down FB alright at the moment.
Don't have heaps of depth through our list but seeing a few youngsters come on has been huge.
Simpkin will be a great player, looks a gem and holding down FB alright at the moment.
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I think the more pertinent question here is, would making the 8 paper over the cracks?
I think it certainly has the potential to
It might give us a false sense of where we are at as a team, and could sway tough decisions at the delisting / trading / recruiting stage of this season
Part of me hopes we don't make the 8, if that means we are tougher with list lodgements and recruiting, and helps us see our deficiencies more clearly
I think it certainly has the potential to
It might give us a false sense of where we are at as a team, and could sway tough decisions at the delisting / trading / recruiting stage of this season
Part of me hopes we don't make the 8, if that means we are tougher with list lodgements and recruiting, and helps us see our deficiencies more clearly
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We need the picks.
Some might argue with it but this team can't win a flag.
A little tanking is good. A lot isn't.
Still want us to perform to the best of our ability when the TV cameras are on
Some might argue with it but this team can't win a flag.
A little tanking is good. A lot isn't.
Still want us to perform to the best of our ability when the TV cameras are on
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Even if we do whats the point - we cant compete with the top teams we would be just fodder!
I would rather get games into our kids and reset for next year . Get busy at trade/draft time and pick up another quality ruckman and tall key position players.
I would rather get games into our kids and reset for next year . Get busy at trade/draft time and pick up another quality ruckman and tall key position players.
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Wow some of our supporters are quick to jump off after a loss.
It was only a week ago we smashed Carlton with a great performance and people were talking us up as possible premiership contenders. Disappointing to lose yesterday but not many teams beat West Coast at home these days so it isn't the end of the world.
I think we can definitely still make the 8 but we really need to win our next two games against Sydney and Richmond which are probably 50/50 games. Drop either or both of those games and it will be difficult.
It was only a week ago we smashed Carlton with a great performance and people were talking us up as possible premiership contenders. Disappointing to lose yesterday but not many teams beat West Coast at home these days so it isn't the end of the world.
I think we can definitely still make the 8 but we really need to win our next two games against Sydney and Richmond which are probably 50/50 games. Drop either or both of those games and it will be difficult.
I was laughing the other week when StKilda were favorites for the flag.
No wonder our politicians don't care what crap promises they made as long as its more than a couple of months before the election.
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I think we can definitely make the 8 too
I just wonder what good it'd do us, longer term
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After 8, we are 4-4, and ninth.
Before the Bye in Round 13, we have at the Docklands Sydney (winnable) and Richmond (very winnable), the GC up there (very winnable), then Adelaide at AAMI (Unlikely). That means that by then, we could/should be either 6-6 or 7-5. Not that bad.
After the Bye, we have four VERY winnable games (Brisbane, Doggies, Melbourne, and Giants), taking us up to 10-11 wins. We have some really hard games (Essendon, Swans at SCG), and then a host of games that really are in the winnable-but-loseable realm (North, Pies, Cats, Blues). We win 2-3 of those w-b-l games, we're in the 8.
But note this, also. We have had lots of kids whose biggest problem is lack of experience, and that will have been alleviated by them playing all season, by the latter 6 games of H&A. We will have our two real rucks back (hopefully). We will have 2 of our most important backmen back in Gwilt and Fish. We will have a glut of small forwards who can play midfield with Schneids, Milney, Saad and Milera.
Write us off at your peril.
Before the Bye in Round 13, we have at the Docklands Sydney (winnable) and Richmond (very winnable), the GC up there (very winnable), then Adelaide at AAMI (Unlikely). That means that by then, we could/should be either 6-6 or 7-5. Not that bad.
After the Bye, we have four VERY winnable games (Brisbane, Doggies, Melbourne, and Giants), taking us up to 10-11 wins. We have some really hard games (Essendon, Swans at SCG), and then a host of games that really are in the winnable-but-loseable realm (North, Pies, Cats, Blues). We win 2-3 of those w-b-l games, we're in the 8.
But note this, also. We have had lots of kids whose biggest problem is lack of experience, and that will have been alleviated by them playing all season, by the latter 6 games of H&A. We will have our two real rucks back (hopefully). We will have 2 of our most important backmen back in Gwilt and Fish. We will have a glut of small forwards who can play midfield with Schneids, Milney, Saad and Milera.
Write us off at your peril.
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