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my point is that people that complain about our immigration numbers consistently ignore the reasons for them and just want a scape goat for the current housing issue that isn't landlords and related government policy

there are more houses being rented than there are landlords
home ownership is going down among owner occupiers
but home ownership is going up among the investors

when 10% of the population own 40% of the housing there is a problem that isn't about immigration levels
I would suggest that it won't matter WHAT percentage of the population "owns" the housing if there are more people looking for a house to rent than there is available.

One way to reduce that imbalance would be, I dunno, reduce the amount of people looking for housing.

It's disingenuous to say that immigration levels aren't a contributing factor, they are by no means the only one though.
 

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Looks like The Greens are nearly the number 2 in Brisbane now. Taken a few seats off the LNP but not far off Labor in total votes and will go close with them in the number or seats
Sadly we still don't know a lot yet beyond the mayoral result and a few wards. The Electoral Commission of Queensland were a bit of a shambles today, and there were long queues well past when the polls were supposed to shut. The ABC have been even worse, with their repeated calling and uncalling of seats and their algorithm going wacky several times.
 
Bizarre LNP ads about rubbish collection didn't seem to work.
I'd argue they might have, actually. The LNP vote remained pretty much the same while the Greens gains came almost entirely at the expense of Labor. Compare that to 2022, where the Greens gains came from both parties, which made the LNP easier to beat in the final 2CP vote. This might suggest that the attack ads didn't work on the previous Labor voters who switched to the Greens, but did work on the previous LNP voters who may have switched to the Greens or to Labor. And that's looking like it'll cost the Greens a couple of seats they might have wrested from the LNP, like Central and Coorparoo.
 
Improved showing in these elections and looks easily possible for the Greens to add more House of Reps seats in the Federal 2025 election but the Ipswich West result shows the State Labor government is likely to not survive the next election.

Oh well, it was a good run of wall to wall Labor on the mainland. Depending on how Tasmania goes, we could be 6 out of 6 for a little while.
 
that’s why i am deeply opposed to PR in the House of Reps.

We in the ALP spent 31 out of the next 34 years out of government when we last tried genuine socialism with Chif”s attempt to nationalise the banks. We have no desire or intention of repeating that experience and few Australian voters have a desire to return to an ideology that is dead.

They feel the same about letting the Greens have the BOP in the Reps after Gillard — 2013 should have taught Bandt something but, as with failing to stand up to the Faruqi-Shoebridge-Rhiannon run Trotskyist-Islamist internal faction in the NSW Greens, he has shown himself to clearly be a weak and cowardly man.
 

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Goodbye, transphobes. Rest in piss, you won't be missed.

They both almost lost preselection to an empty chair

 
The Greens have lost their direction and are devouring themselves over fringe issues. The quotes in the article are correct, the Greens should be aiming for ecological sustainability and social equality. They are going to lose what little relevance they have had with some looking to become ALP-lite on one side and others berating people to conform to their rigid "identity politics" on the other.
 
The Greens have lost their direction and are devouring themselves over fringe issues. The quotes in the article are correct, the Greens should be aiming for ecological sustainability and social equality.
What you're asking for is for the Greens to be the party they were back in the 90s and 00s. Thing is, they were irrelevant then, with no lower house seats and a couple of Senators, because most people don't care as much about ecological sustainability and social equality as they do about other issues. It's the Greens' direction over the past five years that has won them multiple lower house seats and two Senators in every state (until Thorpe left. In fact, Thorpe leaving is evidence for the Greens not actually being rigid in identity politics).

These developments coincide with Adam Bandt becoming leader and refocusing the party on economic matters such as spiralling house prices and rents. You'll find that this isn't a fringe issue at all to renters and prospective first home buyers, or to the parents of adolescents who will become the future renters and prospective first home buyers. Seeing as no other party is doing much for these groups, the Greens did well to identify a forgotten group of voters and win them over.

They are going to lose what little relevance they have had with some looking to become ALP-lite on one side and others berating people to conform to their rigid "identity politics" on the other.
This sounds like wishful thinking to me. I predict the Greens will increase their seat count at the Queensland state election and maintain all their current lower house and Senate seats at the next federal election.
 
What you're asking for is for the Greens to be the party they were back in the 90s and 00s. Thing is, they were irrelevant then, with no lower house seats and a couple of Senators, because most people don't care as much about ecological sustainability and social equality as they do about other issues. It's the Greens' direction over the past five years that has won them multiple lower house seats and two Senators in every state (until Thorpe left. In fact, Thorpe leaving is evidence for the Greens not actually being rigid in identity politics).

These developments coincide with Adam Bandt becoming leader and refocusing the party on economic matters such as spiralling house prices and rents. You'll find that this isn't a fringe issue at all to renters and prospective first home buyers, or to the parents of adolescents who will become the future renters and prospective first home buyers. Seeing as no other party is doing much for these groups, the Greens did well to identify a forgotten group of voters and win them over.


This sounds like wishful thinking to me. I predict the Greens will increase their seat count at the Queensland state election and maintain all their current lower house and Senate seats at the next federal election.
It's not wishful thinking, I've preferenced the Greens first at every election in the lower house since I've been old enough to vote and most times in the upper house too. Their vote has increased over the last 15-20 years but that's largely to do with the change in demographics over that time. Most people are drawn to the Greens initially because of their environmental policies. They have done well to identify the rental/housing issue as a potential vote winner but internally their politics still seem like they are stuck at the uni level, worrying about the fringe identity politics I mentioned above. They are very dogmatic which I guess you have to be to a certain extent as a political party but hounding out your would be supporters because they disagree with you on one or two issues that the wider populous don't have much investment in seems pretty silly and could end up leading to stagnation or regression for the party as more minor parties pop up on the left.
 
It's not wishful thinking, I've preferenced the Greens first at every election in the lower house since I've been old enough to vote and most times in the upper house too. Their vote has increased over the last 15-20 years but that's largely to do with the change in demographics over that time. Most people are drawn to the Greens initially because of their environmental policies. They have done well to identify the rental/housing issue as a potential vote winner but internally their politics still seem like they are stuck at the uni level, worrying about the fringe identity politics I mentioned above. They are very dogmatic which I guess you have to be to a certain extent as a political party but hounding out your would be supporters because they disagree with you on one or two issues that the wider populous don't have much investment in seems pretty silly and could end up leading to stagnation or regression for the party as more minor parties pop up on the left.
Well tell me, would they be justified in not wanting to have racists representing them? Homophobes?
 

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