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Present Not Past said:
70 years is a short time to expect liberal democracy.
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Why's that? If a society is disposed towards it, 70 years is plenty of time.

How long did it take the Asian exceptions, such as Japan and to a lesser extent South Korea? Or Taiwan? And Thailand has had more than 70 years.

Saying 70 years isn't long enough doesn't adequately explain the dysfunction in various Asian countries. Plenty of them have something like democracy. It just doesn't seem to do what it says on the tin.
 
Sweet Jesus said:
Why's that? If a society is disposed towards it, 70 years is plenty of time.

How long did it take the Asian exceptions, such as Japan and to a lesser extent South Korea? Or Taiwan? And Thailand has had more than 70 years.

Saying 70 years isn't long enough doesn't adequately explain the dysfunction in various Asian countries. Plenty of them have something like democracy. It just doesn't seem to do what it says on the tin.
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Does a country need to be liberal in order to be considered functional?
I wonder if India would be better off today if they had kicked the British out far earlier than they did and had evolved its own system of governing the individual states.
 

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Northalives said:
The f****ng dog is in detention again hey? Oh well, there go the cocktail parties and the international soirées!

Individual freedoms were less under Aung San Suu Kyi than the military and she has made sure that she cannot be held directly responsible for Myanmar’s intelligence apparatus, the thing that gave the Military control and still does what it always did.

Amnesty International stripped Aung San Suu Kyi of a human rights award. Myanmar remained as repressive as ever under her, jailing journalists and government critics who dare to speak out against genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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She never had any power to begin with. It was always the military in control.
 
Sweet Jesus said:
Is it Western chauvinism to say that Asian societies, with only a handful of exceptions, are simply not equipped for liberal democracy?

Go through the list - it's a catalogue of dysfunction.

I'm not saying it's because of any kind of racial essentialism. Rather, democracy relies on strong institutions - they must be developed and can't really be imposed.
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In general, it's a fair thing to say. I wonder what institutions specifically led to India and Taiwan being a lot more democratically stable than their neighbours. The backlash in India was massive when Indira Gandhi tried her hand at dictatorship in the 70s.
 
Johnny Bananas said:
In general, it's a fair thing to say. I wonder what institutions specifically led to India and Taiwan being a lot more democratically stable than their neighbours. The backlash in India was massive when Indira Gandhi tried her hand at dictatorship in the 70s.
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India might be stable but it's not without its own dysfunction.
 

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Sweet Jesus said:
What are you saying?

Voting for Duterte is not the same as wanting a return to the Marcos dictatorship.
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Voting for Marcos Jr, who has publicly expressed that his dad did nothing wrong, is consenting to a return to Marcos-era values in government. Choosing someone as your running mate means accepting their baggage being lumped in with yours (see John McCain).
 
Well the South Korean election is tomorrow
Apparently it is a super tight race
 
well according to exit polls, it is a 0.6% margain to the conservative candidate Yoon, but it is within the margain of error
razor tight
 
It seems there was a big anti-feminist backlash amongst young, high-earning men which swung the result to the conservative candidate Yoon. The liberal candidate, Lee, tried to embrace the rhetoric despite being pro-choice, but it didn't work.

By the way, a section got deleted from the Wikipedia article, so here's a quote from a news story concerning the deleted part:

"At a debate last year, Lee offered to pull down his pants after a rival brought up old allegations of an extramarital affair with a well-known actress who had described what she said was a distinctive mole on the candidate’s genitals."

"Lee’s comment Monday reminded potential voters of singer Na Hoon-a, who pulled his pants halfway down on live television in 2008 to quell rumors that he had been castrated by Japanese gangsters."
 
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