Stats questions

[Strapping Young Lad]

They are generally kept under lock and key by Champion Data. And then sometimes (poorly) extrapolated into newspaper articles.

It’s lazy work by the journo if there is no context. What does “post-clearance” mean? It’s all well and good to be ranked 8th in the comp for something, but what is the criteria?

If you sign up to Champion Data(is that a thing?), I assume you get access to all of this data?

 

[Catsace]

If you sign up to Champion Data(is that a thing?), I assume you get access to all of this data?

I wish they still printed the AFL Prospectus, i had all bar two when they were printed between 2006 and 2020, sadly perhaps with Covid an excuse, they stopped printing this book, even at $39.99 i always bought it.

 

[Gibbsy]

Justin Westhoff

39

Justin Westhoff

Age

37

Ht

199cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.8

3star

kicked 34 goals in his debut season; despite kicking over 300 goals in his career he never topped those efforts in a single season.

How many other players have averaged at least a goal a game over their career and not topped their debut season for goals kicked?

Or as another qualifier, kicked 300+ goals in their career but not topped their debut season?

Thanks.

 

[Catsace]

Justin Westhoff kicked 34 goals in his debut season; despite kicking over 300 goals in his career he never topped those efforts in a single season.

How many other players have averaged at least a goal a game over their career and not topped their debut season for goals kicked?

Or as another qualifier, kicked 300+ goals in their career but not topped their debut season?

Thanks.

Jacko comes mighty close, in that he didn't exceed his debut tally in 1981 insofar he kicked 76 in both 1981 and 1982 with the Dees. Kicked 74 for Geelong in 1984, wound up with 308 goals in 82 games.

 

[worbod]

Justin Westhoff kicked 34 goals in his debut season; despite kicking over 300 goals in his career he never topped those efforts in a single season.

How many other players have averaged at least a goal a game over their career and not topped their debut season for goals kicked?

Or as another qualifier, kicked 300+ goals in their career but not topped their debut season?

Thanks.

Jacko comes mighty close, in that he didn't exceed his debut tally in 1981 insofar he kicked 76 in both 1981 and 1982 with the Dees. Kicked 74 for Geelong in 1984, wound up with 308 goals in 82 games.

Similar to Jacko, there is Alby Morrison from Footscray (369 goals, 1928-1946) who kicked 50 goals in his debut season, then equalled that total in 1929 but never exceeded 50.
Likewise there is Wayne Richardson from Collingwood (323 goals, 1966-1978) who kicked 37 in his debut season but never exceed it despite again kicking 37 in 1971.

 

[Catsace]

Similar to Jacko, there is Alby Morrison from Footscray (369 goals, 1928-1946) who kicked 50 goals in his debut season, then equalled that total in 1929 but never exceeded 50.
Likewise there is Wayne Richardson from Collingwood (323 goals, 1966-1978) who kicked 37 in his debut season but never exceed it despite again kicking 37 in 1971.

Excellent gets there. Was looking at Geelong and thought Ronnie Burns was a show, but he kicked 50 in his 2nd season and didn't get to 300 anyway.

On an aside, one gets an idea of how old you're getting when you can regale Jacko's career from one's own memory and you realise that his career was 1981-1986 and people under 45 probably never saw him play. Had a hit single in 1985 with 'I'm an Individual', ones with older memories, did Peter McKenna have a charted hit during a footy season in his career in the early 70's? Doubt any other footballers in VFL/AFL history can claim that.

 

[Catsace]

Gary Buckenara kicked 293 goals for the Hawks, but the 60 on debut in 1982 was his apogee for a season. Perhaps had he not done a knee he might have played more games and also reached the 300 goal tally.

 

[worbod]

Excellent gets there. Was looking at Geelong and thought Ronnie Burns was a show, but he kicked 50 in his 2nd season and didn't get to 300 anyway.

On an aside, one gets an idea of how old you're getting when you can regale Jacko's career from one's own memory and you realise that his career was 1981-1986 and people under 45 probably never saw him play. Had a hit single in 1985 with 'I'm an Individual', ones with older memories, did Peter McKenna have a charted hit during a footy season in his career in the early 70's? Doubt any other footballers in VFL/AFL history can claim that.

McKenna released a song titled Things to Remember in 1970.

https://www.45cat.com/record/fb031

Warwick Capper also released a single in 1985 titled I Only Take What's Mine. There is a relevant clip on YouTube along with clips for I'm an Individual and Jacko's follow-up single Me Brain Hurts.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Justin Westhoff kicked 34 goals in his debut season; despite kicking over 300 goals in his career he never topped those efforts in a single season.

How many other players have averaged at least a goal a game over their career and not topped their debut season for goals kicked?

Or as another qualifier, kicked 300+ goals in their career but not topped their debut season?

Thanks.

Others have answered with Jacko, Wayne Richardson and Alby Morrison matching their debut season goals in another season.

This AFL Tables link list goals by season for everyone who has kicked 200 goals. For 300+ goals, some more info;

Westhoff debut season 2007 kicked 34 goals, next best 31 in 2013 - 313 goals over 14 seasons. Was drafted when 20 not 18.

Mark Jackson debut season 1981 kicked 76 goals, next season also kick 76 - 306 goals over 6 seasons

Wayne Richardson debut season 1966 kicked 37 goals, next best is 37 in 1971 - 323 goals over 13 seasons

Alby Morrison played for Footscray debut season 1928 kicked 50 goals, next season also kicked 50 - 369 goals over 14 seasons

A couple in the 200-299 range, Buckenara has been mentioned, but also Allan Jackovich - 71 goals in his debut season in 1991 - total goals 208 in 5 seasons

AFL Tables - Most Career Goals

 

[GrahamClayton]

Paul Roos with 356 games for Fitzroy (1982-1994) and the Sydney Swans (1995-1998) holds the record for the longest playing career without ever playing in a premiership team or a team that collected the wooden spoon, however he did play in a runner-up grand final team, for Sydney against North Melbourne in 1996.

It got me thinking; which player had the longest career with no premierships or wooden spoons; but unlike Paul Roos no runner up team either?

At the other end of the scale (and discounting 1916 Fitzroy players) which player had the shortest career which included both a premiership and a wooden spoon?

Ern Hazel would be a strong candidate - 19 games spread across 5 seasons, which included wooden spoons with St Kilda in 1909 and 1910 (Hazel also played 4 games for Melbourne in 1910, who finished 2nd last), and premierships with Essendon in 1911 and 1912.

 

[GrahamClayton]

While looking at some random NHL pages, I came across the playing record of Dave McIlwain, who is only one of 4 players to have played for 4 different teams in the same season (1991-1992). Apart from this, he holds the NHL record for the most consonants at the start of a player's surname, with 5.

Would anyone know what is the VFL/AFL record for the most consecutive consonants in a player's surname?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

While looking at some random NHL pages, I came across the playing record of Dave McIlwain, who is only one of 4 players to have played for 4 different teams in the same season (1991-1992). Apart from this, he holds the NHL record for the most consonants at the start of a player's surname, with 5.

Would anyone know what is the VFL/AFL record for the most consecutive consonants in a player's surname?

Isn't there an I between M.C.L.W?

 

[the croucher]

While looking at some random NHL pages, I came across the playing record of Dave McIlwain, who is only one of 4 players to have played for 4 different teams in the same season (1991-1992). Apart from this, he holds the NHL record for the most consonants at the start of a player's surname, with 5.

Would anyone know what is the VFL/AFL record for the most consecutive consonants in a player's surname?

Perhaps seven (7)...

Mick McGlynn (Geelong) 1946
Ben McGlynn (Hawthorn, Sydney) 2006-2016

 

[35Daicos]

Isn't there an I between M.C.L.W?

Maybe not!!: Wikiwand - Dave McLlwain

Dave McLlwain

Speedy Dave McLlwain was a well travelled hockeyist. The Seaforth, Ontario native played in over 500 National Hockey League games with six t...

winnipegjetslegends.blogspot.com

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Maybe not!!: Wikiwand - Dave McLlwain

Dave McLlwain

Speedy Dave McLlwain was a well travelled hockeyist. The Seaforth, Ontario native played in over 500 National Hockey League games with six t...

winnipegjetslegends.blogspot.com

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Where have you been Daics

How about putting up in a neat fashion the Magpies 16 Premiership Victories - the years of course and the qtr by qtr scores for both them and their opponent

Thats my request - and in the challenge system - not interested in the 1st game - just the deciding flag winning game

 

[35Daicos]

Where have you been Daics

How about putting up in a neat fashion the Magpies 16 Premiership Victories - the years of course and the qtr by qtr scores for both them and their opponent

Thats my request - and in the challenge system - not interested in the 1st game - just the deciding flag winning game

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Hope that's neat enough for you!

 

[Goggin Our Best]

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Thanks PD

How i look at it its all about the now , and the team you barrack for has just won the Premiership they are the reigning Premiers .

Thus the off season discussion in my opinion has to everything about the club who are premiers - in this instance Collingwood

Who is interested in talking about the team who say has just finished 10th - no one

 

[Catsace]

Just a question about the closest meeting between sides, i guess especially in the 14-team era, as generally from 1925-1986 except the years 1942 and 1943, the draw was a straight down the line home and away situation.

Someone on the Geelong board indicated that we play a side in 2024 within nine matches, but I do remember in 1989 where Geelong played Melbourne in Rd 12 of that season, June 17th. The return bout at Waverley was only five weeks later, July 22nd 1989.

Is that the closest re-match in the H & A in the 14+ team era from 1987 onwards?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Just a question about the closest meeting between sides, i guess especially in the 14-team era, as generally from 1925-1986 except the years 1942 and 1943, the draw was a straight down the line home and away situation.

Someone on the Geelong board indicated that we play a side in 2024 within nine matches, but I do remember in 1989 where Geelong played Melbourne in Rd 12 of that season, June 17th. The return bout at Waverley was only five weeks later, July 22nd 1989.

Is that the closest re-match in the H & A in the 14+ team era from 1987 onwards?

In 2008, West Coast and Adelaide played in R2 and R9.

Conversely, Hawthorn and Carlton played once ant that was in R22.

 

[stemline]

Just a question about the closest meeting between sides, i guess especially in the 14-team era, as generally from 1925-1986 except the years 1942 and 1943, the draw was a straight down the line home and away situation.

Someone on the Geelong board indicated that we play a side in 2024 within nine matches, but I do remember in 1989 where Geelong played Melbourne in Rd 12 of that season, June 17th. The return bout at Waverley was only five weeks later, July 22nd 1989.

Is that the closest re-match in the H & A in the 14+ team era from 1987 onwards?

Hawthorn also in 1989 played West Coast in round 10 and then round 14.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Wasn't the 1996 AFL Season just nothing but a bonkers fixture?

It didn't make sense.

 

[Randall Stevens]

Just a question about the closest meeting between sides, i guess especially in the 14-team era, as generally from 1925-1986 except the years 1942 and 1943, the draw was a straight down the line home and away situation.

Someone on the Geelong board indicated that we play a side in 2024 within nine matches, but I do remember in 1989 where Geelong played Melbourne in Rd 12 of that season, June 17th. The return bout at Waverley was only five weeks later, July 22nd 1989.

Is that the closest re-match in the H & A in the 14+ team era from 1987 onwards?

In 1988 Hawthorn played Brisbane Bears in Round 12 and then again in Round 15.
Also, in the 1989 Geelong v Melbourne fixtures you refer to, while the games were five weeks apart they were only four rounds between games. There was a general bye in between, which I think was for the Vic v SA origin game at the MCG.

 

[GrahamClayton]

Would someone be able to tell me what is the most games in a completed VFL/AFL career by a player who played every game against the same opponent?

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Brandon Ellis was the last player before Jack Ginnivan to change clubs straight after a premiership win. He was also the fifth player to do so in the decade.

It started with Buddy Franklin who left Hawthorn after the 2013 premiership to go to Sydney.

In 2015, Matt Suckling played in Hawthorn's premiership and then went to Western Bulldogs.

In 2016, Joel Hamling played in the Western Bulldog's premiership and then went to Fremantle.

In 2018, Scott Lycett played in West Coast's premiership and then went to Port Adelaide.

And in 2019, Brandon Ellis played in Richmond's premiership and then went to Gold Coast.

So 5 times in 7 years.

Interestingly, two 2004 premiership players moved to the same team in 2005. Not sure if that's ever been done by two or more players moving to the same team after a premiership, the following year, other than Carr and Schofield.

 

[Cuzz09]

I love Scotty Lycett but I'm secretly happy he never amounted to anything at Port.

Would've loved him back at WCE for a year of bash n crash

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