Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Pie eyed]

That the best you've got?
You have nothing.
You cannot even put into words what you oppose.

 

[Pie eyed]

Psychopath isn't it?

Sociopath.

See every Liberal Leader after and including Howard.
Power is their first objective, personally profiting from it the next.

Rinse, repeat.

There should be a euthanasia policy.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Sociopath.

See every Liberal Leader after and including Howard.
Power is their first objective, personally profiting from it the next.

Rinse, repeat.

There should be a euthanasia policy.

Call them sociopaths then recommend murder ...LOL.

 

[Sun Ra]

there are very few politicians who aren't in this job for themselves, could you imagine a parliament where elected members actually worked for the people and not for the betterment of themselves.

what is the forum ? I want to vote yes and also work in the hort industry for 12 years, not enough plant talk on bigfooty unfortunately

PM me.

 

[adogsfan5]

Call them sociopaths then recommend murder ...LOL.

Isn’t it interesting to see.
In the last 50 pages I’ve seen the above and also applauding death threats online.

Staggering.

 

[Festerz]

It's frightening how quickly this debate has gone from closing the gap isn't working but we differ on responses to colonisation was good for Indigenous Australia which is just insane.

Colonisation was good for Indigenous Australia..

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Anyone want to address the giant ass elephant in the room after 331 pages or we just going to ignore it?

 

[Sun Ra]

Anyone want to address the giant ass elephant in the room after 331 pages or we just going to ignore it?

Be my guest.

EDIT: Here we go .....

 

[Sttew]

Isn’t it interesting to see.
In the last 50 pages I’ve seen the above and also applauding death threats online.

Staggering.

One poster said it would be good if more boomers die!!! Obviously not a Yes voter...

 

[the_interloper]

Anyone want to address the giant ass elephant in the room after 331 pages or we just going to ignore it?

Which is?

(And it's "arse" in Australia by the way)

 

[geoffjennings79]

Anyone want to address the giant ass elephant in the room after 331 pages or we just going to ignore it?

I think you've mistaken this for the Gina Rinehart thread...?

 

[Gralin]

One poster said it would be good if more boomers die!!! Obviously not a Yes voter...

What are we talking people aged 60-80? Very low rate of support in that age group

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Be my guest.

EDIT: Here we go .....

I see pretending it doesnt exist is the path we take

 

[adogsfan5]

One poster said it would be good if more boomers die!!! Obviously not a Yes voter...

Yep.. that one too.

Repulsive.

 

[Sun Ra]

I see pretending it doesnt exist is the path we take

I guess you're right, as always. Put us out of our collective misery then.

 

[tandino]

This thread might be taking an exciting turn. I also want to hear about the elephant.

Where's my elephant?

 

[Gralin]

I just hope the elephant isn't Bill Gates

 

[Sinjin Smith]

What‘s the clinical term for someone that has no empathy?

Sociopath.

 

[Gralin]

What‘s the clinical term for someone that has no empathy?

Member for Cook

 

[Chief]

From the article linked by Bernard K, the increasing insanity of No campaigners:

Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has claimed there are "no ongoing negative impacts" of colonisation on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, only a "positive impact".

Price has also cast doubt on the suggestion that some Indigenous people might have suffered intergenerational trauma, saying that, if that were true, descendants of British and Irish convicts would also suffer such trauma.

Nationals leader David Littleproud and frontbencher Bridget McKenzie applauded that statement.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Price has also cast doubt on the suggestion that some Indigenous people might have suffered intergenerational trauma, saying that, if that were true, descendants of British and Irish convicts would also suffer such trauma.

Which is again another point where she is wrong because some of them do. Irish were still persecuted up until the early 20th century although decendants of British Convicts quickly became part of the ruling class here and part of the decision making. Whereas First Nations continued to be marginalised into the 21st century.

Where the Irish had an advantage over First Nations was that there were enough of them to enact change directly and they had a powerful institution that could speak on their behalf in the Catholic Church (disregarding it's other ills). First Nations had none of that and Churches of all creeds were more concerned with destroying their cultures than advocating for their wellbeing working hand in hand with the governments of the day.

 

[Rob R]

What‘s the clinical term for someone that has no empathy?

A dutton

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[Ghost Patrol]

One poster said it would be good if more boomers die!!! Obviously not a Yes voter...

Write a letter to the editor.

 

[jarrod_island_doggies]

If you agree with Price and Howard in that colonisation was good for Indigenous people, based on trite lines about 'running water' etc. When faced with a hypothetical: Say China rolls in and has a crack at colony here. Say also that technology, transport, communications, infrastructure even medical care and life expectancies rise for your average Anglo-Celtic heritage resident. Would you sing from the same songbook if the lyrics were in Mandarin?

 

[Gralin]

Oh so today Peter doesn't want a second referendum