List Mgmt. NGA, Father son watch

[Peter Doherty]

Why couldn't the club follow the Bombers lead and publish the relevant ages, NGA eligibility and F'S's in the pipeline?...

Official AFL Website of the Essendon Football Club

The official AFL website of the Essendon Football Club

www.essendonfc.com.au

ACCELERATION GROUP​
NAME	AGE AT END OF 2023	PARENTS/GUARDIAN/NGA
Carlos Egan	19	NGA
Ayui Makieng	19	NGA
Reuben Rode	19	NGA
Matthew Foley	19	NGA
Luca Alessio	19	Steve Alessio
Amin Naim	18	NGA
Mahmoud Taha	18	NGA
Shane Clough	18	NGA
Will Hamilton	18	Paul Hamilton
Luke Barnard	18	Paul Barnard
Ryan Eyre	18	NGA
Noah Caracella	17	Blake Caracella
Jayden Ngyuen	17	NGA
Khalil Kaakour	17	NGA
Isaac Kako	17	NGA
Alex Alessio	17	Steve Alessio
Adam Sweid	16	NGA
Divjot Singh	16	NGA
Huss ElAchkar	16	NGA
Tristan Leeds	16	NGA
FLIGHT SQUAD​
NAME	AGE AT END OF 2023	PARENTS/GUARDIAN/NGA
Alijah Davey	16	Alwyn Davey
Mara Lovett-Murray	15	Nathan Lovett-Murray
Aidan Ramanauskas	15	Adam Ramanauskas
Logan Daniher	15	Chris Daniher
Taj McPhee	15	Adam McPhee
Koby Bewick	14	Darren Bewick
William Hird	14	James Hird
Max Alessio	14	Steve Alessio
Thomas Caracella	14	Blake Caracella
Taitum Dempsey	13	Courtney Dempsey
Cove McPhee	13	Adam McPhee
Lucas Ramanauskas	13	Adam Ramanauskas
Rylan Johnson	12	Mark Johnson
Noah Peverill	12	Damien Peverill
BABY BOMBERS (BOYS)​
NAME	AGE AT END OF 2023	PARENTS/GUARDIAN/NGA
Jacob Lloyd	11	Matthew Lloyd
Lenny Solomon	11	Dean Solomon
Cruz Davey	10	Alwyn Davey
Connor Stanton	10	Brent Stanton
Harlan Ryder	10	Patrick Ryder
Edward Mercuri	9	Mark Mercuri
Bohdi McPhee	9	Adam McPhee
Aidan Stanton	8	Brent Stanton
Henri Mercuri	7	Mark Mercuri
Mekhi Dempsey	7	Courtney Dempsey
William Howlett	7	Ben Howlett
Joshua Ramanauskas	6	Adam Ramanauskas
Roman Hocking	3	Heath Hocking
Wolf Watson	3	Jobe Watson

Is that best practice?

Or is it ****ed?

 

[radiojake]

Is that best practice?

Or is it ****ed?

I tend to agree

I mean, if the kids are good enough, they're gonna have enough pressure on them -

What if they don't want to be footy players? Why would you be listing the 3 year olds?

 

[Scorpus]

I tend to agree

I mean, if the kids are good enough, they're gonna have enough pressure on them -

What if they don't want to be footy players? Why would you be listing the 3 year olds?

We've got a list on here because it's no secret that these kids exist. It's not complete and isn't fully accurate. The club having a list is better

 

[radiojake]

We've got a list on here because it's no secret that these kids exist. It's not complete and isn't fully accurate. The club having a list is better

yeah but this is a nuffy footy message board - anyone outside of this nuffyness is going to be ignorant to that list

publishing it on their website is going to be exposing to quite a few more people

I mean, sure, it's not like they are shooting bambi, but I think it's a bit much - atleast wait til they are old enough to be joining in on the academy training if they've shown interest/potential

 

[Crows I Am]

I tend to agree

I mean, if the kids are good enough, they're gonna have enough pressure on them -

What if they don't want to be footy players? Why would you be listing the 3 year olds?

I heard that Wolf Watson was training the house down already, looks like a great prospect.

 

[Vader]

And I suppose you already knew he was actually showing promise on the football field?

Nope... I leave watching the juniors to others. I'm just responsible for maintaining the board's list of eligible fathers & sons, and even then I don't attempt to track those eligible through SANFL clubs.

 

[Vader]

We've got a list on here because it's no secret that these kids exist. It's not complete and isn't fully accurate. The club having a list is better

It's missing players who are eligible via the SANFL rule, and those whose eligibility year changed as a result of the AFL shifting the cut-off date for eligibility. I'm reasonably sure we've got most (if not all) of the eligible sons listed.

... It's the best I can do, given the information available to me.

 

[Scorpus]

yeah but this is a nuffy footy message board - anyone outside of this nuffyness is going to be ignorant to that list

publishing it on their website is going to be exposing to quite a few more people

I mean, sure, it's not like they are shooting bambi, but I think it's a bit much - atleast wait til they are old enough to be joining in on the academy training if they've shown interest/potential

They could hide the page away and not promote it so only the nuffs know it's there

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The club doesn't even have an internal list given that they didn't realise Max Michalanney was eligible originally

 

[50BC]

The club doesn't even have an internal list given that they didn't realise Max Michalanney was eligible originally

I'm sure the club has a list of AFL father/sons, but identifying all the potential SANFL father/ sons would be tricky. Jim Michalanney remarried and had a 2nd family relatively late in life so his boys slipped under the radar cos I'm sure no one was considering players from that far back.

 

[Stephen2]

The club doesn't even have an internal list given that they didn't realise Max Michalanney was eligible originally

yikes

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'm sure the club has a list of AFL father/sons, but identifying all the potential SANFL father/ sons would be tricky. Jim Michalanney remarried and had a 2nd family relatively late in life so his boys slipped under the radar cos I'm sure no one was considering players from that far back.

Well, it's their job. We're a professional football club

 

[50BC]

Well, it's their job. We're a professional football club

Well it's not like there would be a ready resource they could access to find out. Personal details like children are just that, personal.
Fairly reasonable to assume most men in their mid 60s+ won't have teenage children. However, I'm sure they do keep track of former AFC players who met the 100 game qualifier.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Well it's not like there would be a ready resource they could access to find out. Personal details like children are just that, personal.
Fairly reasonable to assume most men in their mid 60s+ won't have teenage children. However, I'm sure they do keep track of former AFC players who met the 100 game qualifier.

It would be a project to outsource

Would be exceptionally easy, albeit time consuming.

It's a dotting the i's thing
A bit like the rules themselves back in the day that we agreed to without really digging into the impact

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It would be a project to outsource

Would be exceptionally easy, albeit time consuming.

It's a dotting the i's thing
A bit like the rules themselves back in the day that we agreed to without really digging into the impact

Can't see ex Crows player father/son's falling thru any cracks .....however, I can certainly understand Michalanney falling thru ....SANFL player, late life baby on 2nd marriage ect

Although you might have thought some ex Norwood team mates ...or Michalanney himself might have alerted the Club

That said, he was known in his Draft Year

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Can't see ex Crows player father/son's falling thru any cracks .....however, I can certainly understand Michalanney falling thru ....SANFL player, late life baby on 2nd marriage ect

Although you might have thought some ex Norwood team mates ...or Michalanney himself might have alerted the Club

That said, he was known in his Draft Year

I suspect/hope that was the case.

 

[conVINCEd]

It would be a project to outsource

Would be exceptionally easy, albeit time consuming.

It's a dotting the i's thing
A bit like the rules themselves back in the day that we agreed to without really digging into the impact

What’s that, Skip?

Our father/son eligibility rules will have a black hole between when SANFL games played stop being tallied and our AFL team has actually played 100 games, therefore created even the possibility of any player notching 100 on their own?

Sounds good to me - where do I sign?!

 

[Vader]

What’s that, Skip?

Our father/son eligibility rules will have a black hole between when SANFL games played stop being tallied and our AFL team has actually played 100 games, therefore created even the possibility of any player notching 100 on their own?

Sounds good to me - where do I sign?!

Fixing this hole was one of the recommendations of the AFL's Father/Son review, following the Bryce Gibbs debacle. It would have made Gibbs eligible as an Adelaide F/S.

In true AFL form, the AFL chose to completely ignore the recommendation, giving us the Grandfather Rule instead.

Instead of addressing the 4-5 year black hole, during which it was impossible for any player to qualify for F/S status, either through the SANFL or AFL rules, they removed the 20-year window for the SANFL player eligibility. This meant that players who started their careers before 1971 were now eligible under the F/S rule, but by that time these players were more likely to have grandsons looking to get drafted (hence the Grandfather Rule). The number of F/S players who became eligible as a result of the Grandfather Rule: 0.

Here's an AFC media release from when the AFL announced the rule change:
Crows miss out in father/son changes

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Can't see ex Crows player father/son's falling thru any cracks .....however, I can certainly understand Michalanney falling thru ....SANFL player, late life baby on 2nd marriage ect

Although you might have thought some ex Norwood team mates ...or Michalanney himself might have alerted the Club

That said, he was known in his Draft Year

I remember the discussion started on here with someone suggesting Max might be a father son. At one point I emailed the club asking if he was but got no reply. A couple of months later the club had an article about potential father son Max.

 

[50BC]

It would be a project to outsource

Would be exceptionally easy, albeit time consuming.

It's a dotting the i's thing
A bit like the rules themselves back in the day that we agreed to without really digging into the impact

Drawing up a list of qualifying SANFL fathers shouldn't be too hard, but what children they have and continue to be born going forward? Less straight forward, particularly when there isn't a direct link of those people to the club. How long/ often do you contact people and ask if they have had anymore kids. Youd probably need to rely on individuals letting the club know if they have kids and are playing footy.if they choose not to that would be their choice, Easier with ex AFC players cos there would already be connections.

 

[Carmo]

The club doesn't even have an internal list given that they didn't realise Max Michalanney was eligible originally

Are you saying the club was lying / bending the truth in this article Crows welcome sons of greats to West Lakes

where they pump themselves up about Max and father son:

Crows Academies manager Jarrod Meers said this activation highlighted the significance the Club put on its Father/Son program.

“Many would have seen over recent times that we have placed a significant focus on bolstering strong Father-Son tradition and Crow Academies activations,” Meers said.

“We see this as an extremely important part of the Adelaide Football Club and the continuation of building the history of the Crows.”

This group of Father/Son prospects follows a successful period in the blossoming program, which helped Max Michalanney be drafted to the Club and Tyler Welsh be signed as a SANFL player in his draft year.

 

[ftmch]

The club doesn't even have an internal list given that they didn't realise Max Michalanney was eligible originally

That's astounding if true

 

[Peter Doherty]

Are you saying the club was lying / bending the truth in this article Crows welcome sons of greats to West Lakes

where they pump themselves up about Max and father son:

Crows Academies manager Jarrod Meers said this activation highlighted the significance the Club put on its Father/Son program.

“Many would have seen over recent times that we have placed a significant focus on bolstering strong Father-Son tradition and Crow Academies activations,” Meers said.

“We see this as an extremely important part of the Adelaide Football Club and the continuation of building the history of the Crows.”

This group of Father/Son prospects follows a successful period in the blossoming program, which helped Max Michalanney be drafted to the Club and Tyler Welsh be signed as a SANFL player in his draft year.

Max was part of the program.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Are you saying the club was lying / bending the truth in this article Crows welcome sons of greats to West Lakes

where they pump themselves up about Max and father son:

Crows Academies manager Jarrod Meers said this activation highlighted the significance the Club put on its Father/Son program.

“Many would have seen over recent times that we have placed a significant focus on bolstering strong Father-Son tradition and Crow Academies activations,” Meers said.

“We see this as an extremely important part of the Adelaide Football Club and the continuation of building the history of the Crows.”

This group of Father/Son prospects follows a successful period in the blossoming program, which helped Max Michalanney be drafted to the Club and Tyler Welsh be signed as a SANFL player in his draft year.

I'm not saying anything.

It's known to everyone that the club had no idea and that the fish jumped right into the boat. All's well that ends well.

Jim has two children from his first marriage and three boys, including Max, from his second.

He has asked Max if he feels a bit funny having a dad who is a bit older, but his son is not fazed.

“I love footy, I love watching him,” Jim says.

“I’m grateful that I’ve got these boys as an older parent, it’s kept me a lot younger and interested in footy and what they do.

“It’s just worked out that he falls into that (pre-1991 eligibility) category, which is good.”

Max adds: “To me he’s just a normal dad.”

“I’m thankful to have him supporting all my games. No one says anything.”

Max joined the Crows’ academy this year after player manager Peter Rohde alerted the club to his eligibility.

Thanks Peter Rhode

 

[bigman]

Tregenza played some games for Glenelg under 16’s last year getting in the best players for a few games Not sure how good he is and where he plays but would assume if like dad would be a midfielder