Prediction Next Coach Sacked (2024 edition)

[Foucault1989]

So what your saying is if they had a better coach, they would have never lost a premiership between 2004-15

I'm saying that he struck gold at Hawthorn. Don't expect it to happen again. It's like Malthouse at carlton. He was cooked.

 

[JackOutback]

U realise its 2024 and they are all old AF.. right?

Kelly is 29 and Yeo 30, both in very good form, Barrass is 28. We're all acutely of the hole in our 22-27 age group, with Allen being the only star, but as I said, worse lists have run around than this one.

 

[Gunf]

Port

Since the beginning of last year

Against top 8 5 wins
Against bottom 10 14 wins

Since round 10 last year 1 win against top 8

Can Port please sign Hinkley for the next 5 decades

 

[kreuze_missile]

Kelly is 29 and Yeo 30, both in very good form, Barrass is 28. We're all acutely of the hole in our 22-27 age group, with Allen being the only star, but as I said, worse lists have run around than this one.

2003 Blues would smoke 2024 Eagles by at least 30 goals.

 

[Purple Suit]

Exactly. History suggests the rebuilding coaches rarely survive.

So unless the Eagles want a revolving door they are best to let Simmo endure the pain.

New coach in 2026 when his contract expires.

Except Simpson's coaching is probably part of the problem. They are no longer developing players and got their flag in 2018 by mainly topping up or recruiting/development done in the previous era.

Look at the 2021 draft when they finally decided they needed to rebuild. There is barely a player from that haul that has any value right now.

Chesser
Hough
Bazzo
Williams
Clark (Gone already)

Hough might become an AFL standard role player but none of the others are coming on for various reasons. It's when they need every pick to hit and they seem to be missing full drafts still.

I think the development from the coaches & WAFL structure is at fault so they really need to make some changes quickly or it'll be a decade long problem. They should not be getting any sort of assistance till they have at least moved on the senior coach and its a few years later to see what can occur.

 

[freo1]

No need for hyperbole. The list is in trouble, but with Allen, Kelly, Yeo, McGovern, Barrass and young kids like Ginbey and Reid, it's hardly the worst of all time. I've seen worse in my lifetime with Melbourne and Carlton of the 00s, 10s.

Anway, coach long enough in a league built on equalisation and you'll spend time at the time and time at the bottom.

No way is the league built on anything like equalisation. The draft is just a scapegoat so the AFL can say the comp is equal.

With the fixturing the way it is, the league is not even close to equal, its totally contrived and manipulated.

 

[freo1]

My memory is that they were fine until a couple of COVID outbreaks where they couldn't play half their list.
They never recovered.

This didnt help, but they kept re-signing and continually playing old broken heroes instead of blooding youth. Nic Nat was the prime example. They actually signed him an extra year when he'd barely played a game the year before. just gripping way to tightly on to the past instead of looking forward. They were one of the older lists in the comp last year which says a bit.

Anyways, i actually admire the way Simpson holds himself in this period. I dont think any other coach could do any better with this list. I hope the list managers just pull their finger out as for me that's where the issue is. They need youth. The likes of Gaff, Darling, Sheed and any other senior who's either out of form or injured need to be left out of the team to allow youth to play. Then they really need to trade someone with currancy, like Barras for early picks. They shouldve traded him last year. They just need to get as many early picks as they can.

 

[Hinkleys Donuts]

Can Port please sign Hinkley for the next 5 decades

David Koch has publicly stated that he could see Ken coaching for 20 years! So it's a definite possibility

 

[JackOutback]

No way is the league built on anything like equalisation. The draft is just a scapegoat so the AFL can say the comp is equal.

With the fixturing the way it is, the league is not even close to equal, its totally contrived and manipulated.

I said equalisation, not that it was equal. As long as success means you don't get many high draft picks and the salary cap means you can't just buy up stars, any coach in the game long enough will have to spend at least some time down the ladder. Unless they jump from one successful team to another.

 

[masai tu]

I thought it started in 2022 when they lost availability most weeks to COVID and injury. Might have killed morale and made it futile at the time but you’d think they’d have started turning the corner by now. It’s been two years.

The major warning signs appeared in the first Covid Hub (2020 ?). This is when signs of player “comfort zone” grumbles showed their face.

Lack of team fitness and the injury list’s, followed on from the Hub grumbles.

 

[Anja_Nees]

The major warning signs appeared in the first Covid Hub (2020 ?). This is when signs of player “comfort zone” grumbles showed their face.

Lack of team fitness and the injury list’s, followed on from the Hub grumbles.

Yeah the inability of the playing group to tolerate discomfort that other clubs were suffering multiples of was probably a bad sign in hindsight.

 

[austinnn]

2024 Coaching Changes at all 18 AFL Clubs:

Adelaide Crows - Matthew Nicks dismissed at end of season as Crows rebuild stalls mid-ladder.

Brisbane Lions - After becoming the latest side to miss the finals albeit narrowly after finishing runner-up the previous season, Chris Fagan is replaced at season's end.

Carlton Blues - When a minor form slump at season's end sees Carlton lose their top four position and then narrowly lose an Elimination Final, the Blues make the decision to replace Michael Voss as senior coach.

Collingwood Magpies - After one of the worst premiership hangovers in history that see the Magpies win only 4 matches all season, Craig McRae leaves the club.

Essendon Bombers - Despite Essendon unexpectedly taking 7th with more consistency and being gallant in defeat in a thrilling Elimination Final, the failure to end a finals win drought at 20 years sees the Bombers replace Brad Scott with James Hird at the end of the year.

Fremantle Dockers - After a late season fade-out sees them miss the finals, Justin Longmuir is given the heave-ho by the Dockers after Round 24.

Geelong Cats - When Geelong finish mid-ladder again the second year out of the finals in a row sees the Cats decide that a new direction is needed for the aging team, and thus end the long tenure of Chris Scott.

Gold Coast Suns - Damien Hardwick and the Gold Coast Suns part ways on mutual terms after the team again fails to make its finals debut. Hardwick then moves to Tasmania to become the Devils' development coach ahead of its debut later in the decade.

GWS Giants - Adam Kingsley's tenure ends when GWS lose the Preliminary Final again despite being hot favorites.

Hawthorn Hawks - After a review following a poor season, the Hawks are disappointed with the rebuild so far and dismiss Sam Mitchell in favor of a coach with more experience.

Melbourne Demons - Despite winning the premiership with a crushing win over the Sydney Swans in the Grand Final, the Demons believe the off-field controversies following the 2021 flag are too much and make the 2024 Grand Final Simon Goodwin's last match for the Dees.

North Melbourne Kangaroos - Alistair Clarkson becomes the latest coach to depart the struggling Kangaroos in a revolving door of senior coaches at the club since 2019, but the reasons for his early departure are never disclosed by himself or by North.

Port Adelaide Power - After finishing Top 4 and again crashing out of the finals in straight sets, the Power lose patience and sack senior coach Ken Hinkley.

Richmond Tigers - Despite better than expected results for the Tigers and a mid-ladder season with an even win-loss record and some promising signs ahead, senior coach Adam Yze's tenure at the club lasts just one year, similar to Tigers' coach Paul Sproule back in 1985.

St Kilda Saints - Ross Lyon is dismissed immediately mid-season when the enigmatic Saints are beaten by 180-points by a team that isn't going to make the finals.

Sydney Swans - After a hiding from Melbourne in the Grand Final, the Swans decide that a new coach with new ideas is needed to take the final step after four grand final defeats - three by big margins - and a dozen years having now passed since the Swans 2012 premiership so ending John Longmire's long coaching career at Sydney.

Western Bulldogs - Bulldogs management lose patience with the team's wild inconsistency not only this season but most years since the 2016 flag and show Luke Beveridge the door mid-season.

West Coast Eagles - Last by a long way, the Eagles become the first winless team since Fitzroy in 1964, having a percentage of just 42, getting within 5 goals of an opponent only twice, with 16 games lost by 10 goals or more and 8 of these matches resulting in thrashings by more than 100 points. Despite all of this, the Eagles maintain Adam Simpson is the right senior coach for West Coast all through the season, firmly stating at the end of the year that he will remain at the club in 2025 and even mooting a new contract extension should West Coast improve the following year.

Beautifully done, had a real "And Then There Were None" feeling about it.

 

[austinnn]

What does sacking Simpson accomplish?

They are winning this and next year's wooden spoon even if they were coached by the best coach in the history of the AFL.

May as well let him keep losing and then sack him once they've truly bottomed out.

No point subjecting a new coach to this.

How will they know when they've bottomed out though?

They're not going to sack him once he's started consistently delivering results, are they?

More likely is that there will come a time, far from now, when the Eagles bigwigs see that the rebuild he built is actually motoring along at full capacity and its only the coach holding it back from further development and then and only then will he be gratefully freed.

But the question they have to ask themselves now is: What effects do a total lack of competitiveness and hope actually have on a coach who is very competitive (and a proven winner as player and coach) when sustained long term? How do doubt and pressure affect decision making on a person whose success has depended on instinct and effort?

It's fascinating to watch the journey the Eagles are on now, you know with their money and territory they'll be powerful again, but I don't think they've had this experience before, so it's a new experience for the club.

 

[WillHayward]

Yeah the inability of the playing group to tolerate discomfort that other clubs were suffering multiples of was probably a bad sign in hindsight.

They were staying in a resort on the gold coast.

Hardly Siberian work camp.

 

[Freomaniac]

2003 Blues would smoke 2024 Eagles by at least 30 goals.

I couldn't care less about that view

2003 blues were bad. AFL gave the blues a harsh punishment.

Deprived 1st and 2nd rounders for seasons 2002, 2003 and 2004.

Plus your sides 2002 side had barely any blokes aged 23 or under, regardless if there was quality or not . Thats why your club didn't make finals until 2009

 

[Joao]

Nicks asking David King for advice couldn't give too much confidence he knows what he's doing.

 

[austinnn]

Nicks and Bevo look like fighting this one out. Bevo just gave it his best shot, will this be a "Hold my beer" moment for Nicks?

 

[Books]

Nicks and Bevo look like fighting this one out. Bevo just gave it his best shot, will this be a "Hold my beer" moment for Nicks?

I asked a Dogs fan is Beveridge is trying to get sacked so he can get a payout? I was only half-joking.
He seems to be making some bizarre decisions.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Bevo. Should be this week too.

 

[TheWeapon]

Really enjoying Essendon’s joker arc where the opposition suddenly gets thrown into internal chaos if we beat them. Bevo has been cooked mentally for years

 

[kreuze_missile]

Really enjoying Essendon’s joker arc where the opposition suddenly gets thrown into internal chaos if we beat them. Bevo has been cooked mentally for years

Most people think Essendon are an abysmal side, probably because they are really bloody awful.

Losing to “the edge” immediately thrusts your club into all the bad discussions - rebuilding, coach sacking, bottom 4, wooden spoons etc.

 

[TheWeapon]

Most people think Essendon are an abysmal side, probably because they are really bloody awful.

Losing to “the edge” immediately thrusts your club into all the bad discussions - rebuilding, coach sacking, bottom 4, wooden spoons etc.

That's the stuff keep it coming big boy

 

[kreuze_missile]

That's the stuff keep it coming big boy

Most of us have memories that are longer than last night.

Hard to forget what your lot dished up against Port.

Fair to say the 7000+ day streak of no finals wins won’t be broken in 2024.

Enjoy the win though and celebrate it like you just beat the 2016 premiers.

 

[TheWeapon]

Most of us have memories that are longer than last night.

Hard to forget what your lot dished up against Port.

Fair to say the 7000+ day streak of no finals wins won’t be broken in 2024.

Enjoy the win though and celebrate it like you just beat the 2016 premiers.

You seem upset that we won I love it

 

[mattwa]

The dogs need to change the access code to the training facilities today to keep bevo from ruining the team further